Excellent sight GoldenShinai... the only really usefull anser on this thred!

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EasyMeat

Fake! It can't be! By it's very nature, if it's in print it must be true. I mean they make fictional tv and movies, but never the printed comic! http://www.discussworldissues.com/fo...s/rolleyes.gif

phew...had me worried there for a sec. Yes, i would have to say the same thing...that training in martial arts is a very good life experience.

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God hai hai.


You are god.

I don't know. I've never heard of ninpo before. I could be one of the branches of ninjitsu....there were many different schools/clans of ninjitsu.

This is the reason I posted this after reading the thread bashing on that website. But if you want to learn real ninjitsu I feel that you aren't a true martial artist just based on what I have been taught about honor. Assassins just do not follow that code.

That's true, because I take them out. And then, afterwards, a nice Chianti.

Would you do something that would be considered "dishonorable" to serve a greater good? Would you really hone your skills just to do the will of an tyranical master and kill innocent men to maintain personal honor? What kind of "honor" is that?

Ah..thank you for correcting me.

"Exitus acta probat"

Ninjitsu, honorable or not?
 

So this subject has come up every once in a while with students at the dojo and newer martial arts practitioners. Is ninjitsu a true martial art? I have been told that it is extremely secretive and therefore if I ever do meet a practitioner I probably would not know. But aren't the martial arts guided by the martial way and bushido? Ninjitsu, to my limited knowledge, seems to be about assasination and stealth but also developing the mind and body like other martial arts. However, I cannot recall being taught or reading about assasinations being part of the martial way. If anything it is against it as it is essentially murder and, once again from my limited knowledge, murder without allowing the victim to fight back. This does not seem to follow bushido. Perhaps I am wrong. Any opinions and/or facts to illuminate the subject?

um..i've checked out several american ninja dojos..they were fakes. Ashidia kim was one of the fakes i found. i wouldn't take what you read in his book too seriously. His real name is...david redford..i think (its not ashida kim!). He started teaching ninjitsu around 1987...around the time ninjitsu began to become commericalized in america. I took a look at his website..and heard several complaints about him. As far as i can tell...fake ninja.
here, visit his website...you be the judge.
http://www.ashidakim.com/

Please note the sarcasm.

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And you still didnt learn to spell did you?

Well as most martial arts are really old and traditional, so some arts have similiarity, or are called in a different name now, but has the same concept as it. I think theres one called Bukikan or something.. well its ninjitsu and stuff, ninja uniforms and all that, teachings in weaponry, swords, shurikens, and living off the wild and stuff. There are other things about ninja history, but thats not what your asking right? Well unless you want specifics i guess... Ninjitsu is basically surviving on your own, well thats what most dojos teach now i suppose, careful though alot of bullshido and mcdojos like to deceive and make profits of the art.. But most martial artists, if you ask about it, they'll just flame you. But I still love ninjas http://www.discussworldissues.com/fo...lies/smile.gif

He actually told me about them when I first joined.

The movie, the first FIVE episodes of the show. Not the manga, it is all fake.

This is a subjective thread. It all depends on how you classify 'martial art'. Do you consider an art one where you learn how to fight? Or one where you improve one's self. In my opinion, ninjitsu satisfies both. In terms of combat, you do learn how to fight and you would get more fit. In terms of self-improvement, well if you consider 'survivalist' and 'carpe diem' (seize the moment) state of mind a good one, then yes, ninjitsu is a martial art.

Ninjas are not honourable per se, but they are not dishonourable. Again, this is subjective. INHO, they simply have different priorities to your standard samurai. Samurai believe in loyalty and service, whereas the average ninja is most probably a survivalist and 'getting the job done'. Is it wrong to want to live, but then again is it wrong to win at all costs?? In any other society, would the samurai been seen as a sword swinging fool? As for the 'ninja stabbing people in the back' thing, who is truly at fault, the one who did the deed or the one who ordered it to happen in the first place? I am pretty much on the fence on this matter so I offer both sides of the coin.

Honestly, I think Hollywood and Anime has sterotyped the ninja to the extent that we question their purpose. I don't deny they existed, but who were they, really? Were they the roof jumping assassins we all know and love, or were they people raised in unfortunate circumstances? I believe that one of the only legit ninja sensei in the modern time, Hatsumi-sensei, wrote a book on ninjitsu (from what I understand, he re-vitalized ninjitsu) will give us a decent answer. I just hope Naruto fanboys don't find this thread or they'll scream bloody murder.

Just my 0.02 bu...

Ninja(s) actually did serve and were loyal to a clan of there own which would be serving a Daimyo and had a code of there own if i'm not mistaken, for instance the Iga clan (the name was used in anime and ninja movies) that was wiped out by Oda Nobunaga in the sengoku era.
E-budo has some good threads on ninjutsu.
To my limited knowledge, the honnor for was in serving one's lord till death, for both the samurai and the ninja.

If you want to learn about ninjas, go here- http://www.realultimatepower.net/index4.htm

Yeah, they had movies about ninjas, and video games about ninjas, all that fun stuff.

Ninjas used to hunt deer too



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ninjitsu was thought of in feudal japan much as the sniper is thought of today.