[Infellgedq]

In case you've been under a rock like me the last two days.

I offer:

Don't Taze me Bro!


Hey, somebody had to post it.

Discuss.


Here's the remix BTW

[boizzones]

Holy hell. That was really disturbing.

[Buincchotourb]

Apparently he's a repeat offender / troublemaker, so I don't exactly sympathize with him. Bad karma and all that...

[exschke]

Yeah he did it for attention. He's even gone on the record saying the cops did the right thing. He got his 15mins and I got my laughs.

[Stasher11]

... honestly, if you ask someone in a public gathering whether he / she's a member of the Skull and Bones, would you expect the person to answer 'yes'?

[sisimelanyk]

Tasers are so 20th century. Welcome the Silent Guardian, a new instrument for awarding honsoku.

[Nwxffgke]

1. A single, well trained person could have taken that kid out of the building in several seconds. I have done it several times.

2. The kid went there looking for trouble.

2. Kerry is still a bozo.

[SkapySisy]

Kid was looking for trouble (trying to cause trouble).

Security was Grade C with their ability to remove someone in the process of what essentially amounts to an act of civil disobedience.

Taser was unnecessary. There were 4 security people AT LEAST.

[Misespimb]

Kid was looking for trouble (trying to cause trouble).

Security was Grade C with their ability to remove someone in the process of what essentially amounts to an act of civil disobedience.

Taser was unnecessary. There were 4 security people AT LEAST.

The guy was unruly, and purposefully disruptive and inflammatory.
The guy has a record of doing crap like this to get attention for various things which are not always political.
He cut in line to screech his diatribe.
This wasn't some random Joe he was acting in a threatening manner to, it was a United States Senator. How did the cops know what he was going to do?
Amswer: They didn't. Also, he was on a college campus (I think) which is private property.

The cops gave him several chances to come peaceably.
He did not choose to comply. He escalated the situation.
They told him if he did not comply he would be tazed. He again elected non-compliance. It matters not how many cops were there.
The cops have to think of the safety of others, the perp, and themselves.
Would people have rather the cops wail on him with PR-24s?

This wasn't civil disobedience in my view.
To me, civil disobedience implies passive resistance, not flailing your arms and feet, wrestling with the cops while screaming profanity.

Was it necessary?
Yup. I think so.

What people are forgetting is that when a cop gives a citizen a reasonable directive, citizens are required by law to follow it peaceably. Refuse, and combat the cops, you will get your ass kicked every time.

So far as I can see, asking someone to leave for being disruptive is a reasonable request.

I think most people would consider the behavior disruptive.
If the guy was civil and really was concerned about the questions and not getting his 15 minutes of fame, would there even have been an issue?

[tsaaapla]

My old man told me he heard on the news the cops involved got fired. My old man is not a reliable source

I've seen people on cops get taken out way worse for refusing to take their hands out of their pockets.

[Intockatt]

lol kapplow - those tend to be pretty extreme situations. to my knowledge, the security guards were put on leave, not fired. the difference? no clue.

kenzan - the cops' actions were reasonable sure. but here's the part for me that makes me think - what's the justification for this?

They told him if he did not comply he would be tazed. He escalated the situation by yelling louder and refusing to move - even sitting down. Sure. Did he throw a punch? Did he threaten to become violent? Did he appear to have been drinking such that he could act in an unintional manner other than his default mode of being a jackass? Did he have a weapon? Was there any threat of force that made this situation more than a loud jerk throwing a 21 year old's version of a temper tantrum? No.

So why then did the police decide to escalate the situation by threatening to use electric force when they could have just as easily rolled him over, cuffed him and taken him to jail on creating a public nuisance and resisting an officer?

Personally, I don't see one. But then, can you tell I'm a defense attorney?

[ChrisGoldstein]

i think the kid is at fault for resisting arrest/removal but the cops are also at fault for tazering the kid once they had him in submission on the ground. everybody loses.

[standaman]

what's the justification for this?

Saying, "Don't taze me bro!!" thats justification.
To me thats practically an invitation to turn up the friggin voltage. Who says that? That guy knew camera was on him and the world was watching.

I have an idea, you don't wanna be tazed? How about obeying the commands of law enforcement instead of saying don't taze me bro. What a moron. It's like saying, "HEY! DON'T PUSH THIS BIG SHINY RED BUTTON!" He wanted to be tazed.

Sorry, it's the Hoegaarden talking.

[Vodonaeva]

We can recognize that it's a bad idea to give a crack addict a kilo of smack. Same principle should apply to fools in my book. Give em what they need, not what they want.

[Meenepek]

lol I got sidetracked by the ad for the new Bionic Woman series -- The website and sneak peaks look awesome! didn't realize they were remaking the Bionic Woman Plus Katie Sackhoff(starbuck of BSG) is the Villian

[r5YOPDyk]

Honestly, that guy deserved what he got. The cops didn't know who the hell he was, for all they knew he was some nut who was planning on hurting someone. If he didn't want to get into that kind of trouble, all he had to do was leave with the cops and not try to resist like that, even homeless people on crack tend to know better than to try pulling the kind of stuff he did.

[Phywhewashect]

Deserved or not, (which I don't think he did - sure he's an ass but...) doesn't it open up the police to use something in situations where it's not deserved? And for that matter, who decides who is deserving and who isn't? You? Me? The police? Don't we want to hold our law enforcement to a higher standard to protect against those instances where undeserving individuals are subject to that kind of action?

even homeless people on crack tend to know better than to try pulling the kind of stuff he did. yeah... well... you'd be surprised. a warm bed and three squares a day can be pretty appealing - plus, if there's a possibility of free rehab... it might just be worth the tazer. homeless people on crack can be silly like that sometimes. i wonder what i'd do...

[freflellalafe]

In this case, this guy was just an idiot.

If you guys have seen any of the recent event involving the tazer and police.....

argh

[NutChusty]

Deserved or not, (which I don't think he did - sure he's an ass but...) doesn't it open up the police to use something in situations where it's not deserved? And for that matter, who decides who is deserving and who isn't? You? Me? The police? Don't we want to hold our law enforcement to a higher standard to protect against those instances where undeserving individuals are subject to that kind of action?



yeah... well... you'd be surprised. a warm bed and three squares a day can be pretty appealing - plus, if there's a possibility of free rehab... it might just be worth the tazer. homeless people on crack can be silly like that sometimes. i wonder what i'd do...

He was just asking for it, the cops *are* allowed to use nonlethal force to remove you from an area if you resist like that. This really isn't anything new.

I've personally called the cops on tweakers and have had them just leave without making a scene. No tasers, nothing. I've had the cops called on me, and I just did what they told me to do and left, again, without having any trouble at all. If you resist like that pretty much anywhere you're either gonna get tazed, hit a few times with a stick, or sprayed with mace, or if you're lucky just dragged to the ground, cuffed, and dragged off.

[alecaf]

Didn't even really look like they actually tasered him he was just whining. Typically the police don't have their hands on a person that is getting tased (yes I know they had latex gloves on but those don't stop current very well, they are a bio barrier). Taser are actually pretty safe as a knock down for both the person using them as well as the person being tased. It's much better than being knocked out by a billy club the way they used to do it.