[radikal]

nakkeerar ezhudhiyadhu endha nootraandil...?
did he write it based on sanskrit lit?

[Ifroham4]

North indians or even kannadigas do know him as Karthikeya or skantha . I understand he isn't as popular as ganpathi or shiva. The popularity is more in south

All of his PADAI VEEDU stay put in south.

I feel muruga is the name tamizh language calls him, that does not mean his origin or claim is restricted to tamilnadu alone.

I aint too knowledgeable here and I wait for authentic talks or posts from the learned as much as you do.

[S.T.D.]

murugan endha oor... karthik endha oorunu kaekkala...
where was he referred from first.. like origin.. or like which literature carried his character first...

[Raj_Copi_Jin]

adappaavi nov... naan edho madha sandai undu panra ranjeku pesareenga...
i just need to know abt this thats all...

matthapadi kadavul'nra vaarthayae enakku romba dhooram...

[softy54534]

Friends,
Quite often I involve in this argument with my friend from Andhra. I use to claim that Murugan is Thamizh Kadavul and he hailed from Thamizhnaadu, I mean the origin. But he use to confront me saying maybe the name murugan is been used by Thamizhs here, but he was referred in north indian literatures earlier to he was referred in thamizh literatures. He use to claim that he was been referred in sanskrit lit long before by the names Skandha/Subramanyaswami.

Wiki doesn give enough info though:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murugan

http://www.sanatan.org/en/festivals/hindu/ksv2.htm

So, I have none other than the people here to enlighten me about this.

Please throw some light on this.

[Peptobismol]

SS, In AP and Karnataka, people call him as KUMARA-SWAMY , the son of Lord Shiva

there is famous temple in bangalore also

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kumara_...ana,_Bangalore

[TorryJens]

AFAIK, Lord Muruga is known as ICON of Tamizh, Thamizh valarththa/kaaththa kadavul'num solvaanga .
I read somewhere as Lord Murugan was the founder of Madurai thamizh-changam

[S.T.D.]

Thanks Prabha. and sarna.
I use to claim from the fact that, the arupadai veedu for his six faces are all located in TN..

in other lit/localities, do they consider him as a sixfacet god?

[brraverishhh]

softsword,

(not joking)

May be out of anger, he split from his parents he landed in pazhani (from his origin of kailash or north india ) and hence forth settled in tamizhnadu itself (though he kept visiting them often) marrying valli

I supp soorasamharam also happens in south india only

Sounds silly, but cant find more logic
If facts are provided we can learn more

[Lt_Apple]

in fact Murugan is not originally even Indian.... the name SKANDA should give some hints...

BUT.... rishi moolam nadhi moolam aaraya koodaadhu enbaargal...

[Ifroham4]

Valli and Dheivaanai - both are thamizh names right
thamizhnaattukku vandhu 2 thamizh ponnungala kalyaanam pannikkittu thamizh kadavulaa maarittaaru
naan AP'la 2 telungu ponnungala kalyaanam panni, telungu-kadavulaa maarappOrEn

[LottiFurmann]

Sarna,

Dont joke in literature sections

[Ifroham4]

Sarna,

Dont joke in literature sections

namma kadavul, thappaa eduththukka maattar

BTW ennOda pErum, avarOda pErum onnudhaan

[S.T.D.]

in fact Murugan is not originally even Indian.... the name SKANDA should give some hints...

BUT.... rishi moolam nadhi moolam aaraya koodaadhu enbaargal...

ஸ்கந்தன் என்ற சம்ஸ்கிருத வார்த்தைக்கு "ஒளிக்கீற்றுப் போல பளீரென்று உதித்தவன்" என்று பொருளாம். அதுவே தமிழில் கந்தன் என்று ஆனது.

புனே நகரில் இருக்கும் பார்வதி ஹில்ஸ் கோவிலில் கார்த்திகேயன் பிரம்மச்சாரியாய் இருப்பதால் பெண்கள் தரிசனம் செய்ய சிலகாலம் தடை இருந்ததாம். ஆனால் கணபதியோ ரித்தி, சித்தி என்று இரு மனைவியருடன் இருக்கிறார்.

நம்ம ஊர்ல பிள்ளையார் இன்னும் பெண் தேடிக் கொண்டிருக்க தம்பி இரண்டு கல்யாணம் முடித்து விட்டார்.

ஆறு என்பது முருகனுடன் சம்பந்தப்பட்ட எண்ணாகும். முருகனின் மந்திரம் "சரவணபவ" எனும் ஷடாட்சரம், நக்கீரர் எழுதிய திருமுருகாற்றுப்படையில் பழனி இல்லை. ஆவினன்குடியே அறுபடை வீடாகக் கருதப்படுகிறது. ( அது பழனி மலையடிவாரத்தில் இருக்கிறது). அதுபோலவே திருத்தணிகை மலையும் அதில் இல்லை. குன்றுதோறாடல் என்று எல்லா மலைகளுமே கும்ரனின் இருப்பிடமாகக் கருதப்பட்டு அதன் அடையாளமாக திருத்தணி கொள்ளப்பட்டுள்ளது.

முருகனைப் பற்றி திருமுருக கிருபானந்த வாரியார் எழுதியுள்ள புத்தகங்களும், கல்கியில் பரமாச்சார்யர் எழுதிய முருகன் பற்றிய தொடரும் சில விவரங்களைக் கூறும். ( அவை என்னிடம் கிடைத்தால் நான் இங்கு பதிவு செய்கிறேன்)

[TorryJens]

Upto my knowledge, Nakkeranaar wrote Thirumurugaatru padai between the 2nd BC to 2AD. Just around the period of Tholkaapiyanaar.

My persumption is that Agathiyar brought Karthikeya to South. Even in Vyasar´s Mahabaratha there are quotes about karthikeya. Agathiyar is most certainly elder than Nakkeerar or Tholkaapiyar. Infact Agathiyar wrote the frist Tamil grammar book called Agathiyam

[doctorzlo]

Murugan has been referred to in the earliest of Tamil books, Tolkappiam as seyon. Let them, who claim that Skandha is the precursor of Murugan, be asked to prove that their book is earlier than Tolkappiam.

The problem with Sanskrit literature is that the date of its composition can not be decided by its diction and grammatical usage since these have become stagnant after Panini. So one can claim great antiquity even for a book written yesterday. The date of a book is ascertained only by the events referred to in it. In the case of mythologies everthing is attributed to an unimaginably distant past. So, based on Sanskrit books one can not decide whether Murugan is a native of Tamilnadu or he came from the North .
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In the earlier Tamil works Murugan has not been mentioned as the son of Siva. The earliest such reference is in Kalitogai, Paripadal and Thirumurugarrupadai. These three books are considered to belong to later Sangam age. This shows that Murugan, a native of Tamilnadu, got a father, a long time after his birth. Actutally Siva was an immigrant into Tamilnadu and not Murugan.
vikra

[Raj_Copi_Jin]

The name "Murukan", according to some scholars, comes from a proto-Dravidian word for youth, freshness or beauty. There are related words in many southern Dravidian languages, but none of them refer to a deity (with the obvious exception of Malayalam). In Konda, for example, "murku" means "young men". In Telugu, "murupu" means "tender beauty" or "grace". This would obviously place his roots quite firmly amongst Tamils.

Iravatham Mahadevan takes a different view of the etymology of "Murukan". As a result, he interprets one of the signs from the Indus Valley corpus as being a reference to Murukan, which would make his worship an extremely ancient tradition of the ancestors of the Tamils. See:

http://murugan.org/research/mahadevan.htm

[tgs]

About Lord Muruga (in brief)

Name : Murugan
Birth Place : Saravana pond
Date of birth Vaishaka month, Vishaga star
Father : Lord Shiva
Mother : Goddess Parvati
Brothers : Lord Ganapati and Lord Ayyappan
Wives : Valli, Devayani
Weapon : Shakti vel (spear)
Vehicle : Peacock
Flag : Cock
Aim of Incarnation : Destroying evil and saving Devotees
Place he resides : Devotees heart
http://www.sanatan.org/en/festivals/hindu/ksv2.htm

[Raj_Copi_Jin]

புனே நகரில் இருக்கும் பார்வதி ஹில்ஸ் கோவிலில் கார்த்திகேயன் பிரம்மச்சாரியாய் இருப்பதால் பெண்கள் தரிசனம் செய்ய சிலகாலம் தடை இருந்ததாம். ஆனால் கணபதியோ ரித்தி, சித்தி என்று இரு மனைவியருடன் இருக்கிறார்.

Two years before when I visited Pune, I went to a Murugan temple [which is of course located in a hill]. I am not sure whether it is pArvathy hills. Is it a very old temple? If so can you provide me the brief history? The temple which I went to is somewhat recently [~ 30 to 40 Years] constructed. I spoke with the manager of that temple he said only thamizh speaking people would visit that temple. If we both are talking about the same one, I am really surprised that kanni peNgal history.

My cousin says that in North India people believes that Karthik is a leader [thalapathy] of the warriors of Lord Shiva’s.

I like to know whether there is anything like
திருமுறுகாற்றுப்படை, ஸ்கந்த ஷஷ்டி கவசம் [madhu anna, Devaraya Swamigal history please?] in other languages. If not Lord Murugan is defenitely a tamizh kadavul.

[Paul Bunyan]

About Lord Muruga (in brief)

Name : Murugan
Birth Place : Saravana pond
Date of birth Vaishaka month, Vishaga star
Father : Lord Shiva
Mother : Goddess Parvati
Brothers : Lord Ganapati and Lord Ayyappan
Wives : Valli, Devayani
Weapon : Shakti vel (spear)
Vehicle : Peacock
Flag : ****
Aim of Incarnation : Destroying evil and saving Devotees
Place he resides : Devotees heart

http://www.sanatan.org/en/festivals/hindu/ksv2.htm Hello! avunga DheivAnai-nga, Rajakumaran kOchukapOraru!