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Old 03-27-2012, 05:08 AM   #1
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Default The curious case of Ted Tyson's missing goal
(just 'cos I'm a little bored)

Ted Tyson's stats speak for themselves - 1197 goals in 228 games at an average of 5.25 goals per game. The first WA Footballer to kick 1000 goals in his career, the second (after George Doig) to boot 100 in a season.

But, according to my calculations, the historians have got things (ever-so slightly) wrong. I've done the sums and there's a goal missing. I've only got him down as scoring 1196 goals in his career.

1930 - 50
1931 - 81
1932 - 96
1933 - 88
1934 - 143
1935 - 119.45
1936 - 86.32
1937 - 124.64
1938 - 126.56
1939 - 100.46
1940 - 54.27
1941 - 111.41
1945 - 18

Total - 1196

It's 1936 where there's some confusion and where a phantom goal appears. In Round 12, Tyson booted 5 goals in a loss to Swan Districts, and also got slightly injured in the process, according to reports. The West Australian listed the league's leading goal scorers as at the end of the round, and there Ted Tyson sat with 59 goals, two behind George Doig.

Tyson's injury is enough to keep him out of the Round 13 clash against Claremont, which West Perth won convincingly 17.21 (123) to 7.18 (60). The match report even mentions his absence ("Although without Marinko, Tyson, Pola and P. Walsh...").

Yet, as the West did each round, they tabled the leading goalkickers at the end of each round, and there Ted Tyson was with 60 goals to his name, and increase of one from the week before even though he didn't play in the game. That one goal stayed in his tally right through the season, where he's credited with scoring 87 for the season, not 86 as it seemingly should be.

One of the curious things I guess about a league which was still moving out of its relative infancy.
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Old 03-27-2012, 06:52 AM   #2
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I can't answer your question about the missing goal, UpForGrabs, but I'm most impressed with your research.
I reckon there would've been some real shootouts between West Perth and East Fremantle in the 1930s with multiple century goalkickers Ted Tyson and George Doig in front of the big sticks.
I think Swans' Ted Holdsworth and Claremont's George Moloney also kicked a century in at least one season in that era.
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Old 03-27-2012, 06:19 PM   #3
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No one had booted 100 goals in a season until Doig did it in 1933.

Then, in 1937... this happened:

1) George Doig (EF) - 144.99
2) Ted Tyson (WP) - 124.62
3) Frank Hopkins (Claremont) - 120.61
4) Ted Holdsworth (SD) - 109.62 (Holdsworth began the season with bags of 7, 9, 6, 9, 10, 8, 6, 8, 8, 8, 6)
5) Albert Gook (Perth) - 107.87

I'll wait until I get home before posting actual stats, but from my recollection, Tyson and Doig never did unbelievably well against each other. Stay tuned though - I may completely contradict myself later this evening when I've got the details in front of me.
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Old 03-27-2012, 07:40 PM   #4
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That's an amazing stat, UpForGrabs. I looked at the 1937 ladder and the average team score per game (less than 100 points) is lower than today. It just indicates that if a team kicked 15 goals, there was a fair chance one of the five blokes above kicked 10 of them. Peter Hudson, Peter McKenna & Alex Jesaulenko each kicked a century in the VFL in 1970, as did Gary Ablett, Jason Dunstall & Tony Modra in the AFL in 1993, but five centurions in one season is phenomenal.
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Old 03-27-2012, 08:59 PM   #5
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When I started gathering all these stats, I was sure there was going to be some massive team totals, but it turned out that there weren't too many. IIRC, the first 200+ score didn't occur until Rd 16 of 1940 when Claremont 33.22 (220) beat Swans 7.15 (57). George Moloney kicked 19.9 that day.

The thing that's amazing about Ted Tyson is that West Perth only won 3 games in 1938 and 1 in 1939, yet he kicked 226.102 in that same timeframe. Would never happen at all today.
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Old 03-28-2012, 05:21 AM   #6
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There's actually quite a few discrepancies with George Doig's career figures also. These appear in a similar vein to Ted Tyson's where you take what they reported as his goal tally the week before, add what the papers said he scored, only to come up with a completely different number!

But from what I've got in my records (which might be slightly incorrect), here's the record that George Doig and Ted Tyson had against each other (for Tyson, I've only included matches from 1933, the year of Doig's debut):

George Doig v West Perth (1933-45)

Matches played: 33 (24 wins, 9 losses)
Goals Kicked: 139
Average: 4.21
Best: 8.1 (Rd 8, 1941) & 8 goals (points not known) in Rd 11, 1934
5 goals in a game v WP: 15
10 goals in a game v WP: 0

Ted Tyson v East Fremantle (1933-45)

Matches Played: 31 (10 wins, 21 losses)
Goals: 133
Average: 4.29
Best: 10.3 (Rd 11, 1938)
5 goals in a game v EF: 14
10 goals in a game v EF: 1
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