Transcending Cause and Effect
 

From this quote about the 'Monk beats Monk to death' thread (in the Tea Room http://www.buddhismwithoutboundaries...-Alabama/page6) I would like to discuss this matter. I searched the site but could not find relevant posts so I'm starting a new thread. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

Originally Posted by PaksRott #60

The pain exists, because you can feel it. So the thing pain arises only, when there is someone to feel it. It means there must be someone to feel the pain. Does not matter how you call it.
Imo, this reasoning is incorrect. It is as incorrect as the beliefs of brahmins of the Buddha's days who though there was a "someone to feel".

The Buddha merely said, feelings is an aggregate. When feelings arise, they give the delusional perception of "the one who feels." You are reasoning with this delusion. Breaking through this delusion is not about eradicating the five kandhas but merely continuing to experience the five kandhas as "not self or not belonging to self." The five kandhas continue to be active until they break up in nature's due course. An arahath continues to feel vedana. Deshy and Others

The story of the Monk’s death made me cry but then I could have controlled those reactions because after contemplating the reaction it’s really the deed of violence that triggered sadness and not the Monk’s so-called death and the realisation that I wanted to allow the tears and why not?

I agree that the Buddha taught about the aggregates and I believe that as long as we are humans we cannot do away with the aggregates. I think most of us understand ‘Impermanence’ and ‘Non-self’.

On the other hand I believe it’s possible to have a different relationship with the aggregates and especially the aggregate of consciousness. I would like to talk around the phenomenon of transcending Kamma because I believe it’s the whole idea of the ‘Practice’. The thing is that there are many perceptions so will you please share your views.

You'll have to explain what you mean by "transcending Cause and Effect" "transcending Kamma", it sounds a bit like transcending gravity.

Part of the fruits of practise is to understand the likely results of a possible action, and then hopefully choosing an action that will produce a good result, this is wisdom in action.

The heading was not meant to be an infallable statement. It's suppose to serve as an idea to chat around. Maybe there are beliefs that 'Cause and Effect" can be erradicated, who knows?

Walking the path certainly has the purpose of deliverance or put differently, transcending the bad causes and its effects. So, what about transcending it as a whole and yes we can maybe then talk about levitation etc.

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Very funny Aloka! You see a Picture says more than a thousand words. So in this case I'll have to ask where I can find the Umbrella shop ? http://www.discussworldissues.com/fo...lies/hands.gif

I know there is a thread about Dualism where Non-dualism is also discussed and certainly those ideas can be added to my investigations.

One of the reasons I started the thread was because I got an idea that there exist weird expectations amongst a lot of people and maybe its because of those weird expectations that Monks start beating other Monks to death.

That's right. However, it is not uncommon to find some practitioners who incorrectly think that nibbana is cessation of aggregates or selected aggregates like vedana for example.

Yes, I agree. Its as if they think they can become an independant soul, spirit or experience. I'm not sure.