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CindyLavender 08-20-2012 11:30 AM

Visuddhimagga on Dependent Origination
 
XV11 Dependent origination

113 "but how does a man who is confused about these
things perform these three kinds of formations?

Firstly, when he is confused about death, instead of
taking death thus 'death in every case is break up of
aggregates(khandas, not-self)' he figures that it is
lasting being's transmigration to another incarnation
and so on".

115 "when he is confused about the round of rebirths,
instead of taking the round of rebirths as pictured
thus: 'an endless chain of aggregates (khandas) of
elements (dhatus) bases (ayatanas) that carries on
unbrokenly is what is called 'the round or rebirths'
he figures that it is a lasting being that goes from
this world to another world, that comes from another
world to this world"

117"when he is confused about independently-arisen
states, instead of taking the occurence of formations
to be due to ignorance etc., he figures that it is a
self that knows or does not know, that acts and causes
action..."

161 "a mere state that has got its conditions ushers
in the ensuing existence; While it does not migrate
from the past, with no cause in the past it is not.
So a mere material and immaterial state, arisen when
it has obtained its conditions, that is spoken of,
saying that it comes into the next becoming; it is not
a lasting being, not a soul. And it has neither
transmigrated from the past nor yet is it manifested
here without cause from that".......

273 "Becomings wheel reveals no known beginning; no
maker, no experiencer there; Void with a twelvefold
voidness,"

313 "one who sees this rightly abandons the self view
by understanding the absence of a maker. One who sees
it wrongly clings to the moral -inefficacy of action
view because he does not perceive that the causative
function of ignorance etc us established as a law.."

314 "[and so] let a wise man with mindfulness so
practice that he may begin to find a footing in the
deeps of the dependent origination"

172"Experiencer is a convention for mere
arising of fruit (vipaka);" any comments?

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LarryG1978 08-20-2012 12:04 PM

As this verse from 119 explains .....

As one born blind, who gropes along
Without assistance from a guide,
Chooses a road that may be right
At one time, at another wrong,
So while the foolish man pursues
The round of births without a guide,
Now to do merit he may choose
And now demerit in such plight.
But when the Dhamma he comes to know
And penetrates the truths besides,
Then ignorance is put to flight
At last, and he in peace may go.
This is the detailed explanation of the clause, “With ignorance as condition
there are formations.


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