[BiseCreesia]

What's going on at Red Bull ? From being the most dominant team on the F1grid ,they have in the last two races had a car that could not even make the top ten shoot out .Today two retirements,and has said by team manager the first time in over two years that they have had a DNF .I know they were far faster than any other team over the last two years,but after two cheating investigations,and Vettel saying that what they had been doing with their car,was no big deal,and would make NO difference to their results ,we now see different!

[PemiaGefe]

Nobody dominates forever. Its just a natural cycle where different teams enjoy success.

[qQVXpYM6]

I think they just need some better drivers.

[attackDoold]

Nobody dominates forever. Its just a natural cycle where different teams enjoy success.

It is a strange thing about F1. A team may dominate and be a frontrunner for a long time, but things never last forever. Even since I watched F1 it has had so many fazes

Willims 92-97 interjected by Schumi in the Benetton.
Mclaren 98-99
Ferrari 99-04
Renault 05-06
Brawn 09
Red Bull 10-11.

I mean in the early 90s the Williams seemed unstoppable but then came a young German.

Mclaren lapped the field in Oz 98 and everyone thought it could be a onesided championship but Schumacher still battled them all year.

No one could ever see Schumi and Ferrari losing there dominance until Michael retired and yet Alonso and Renault stopped it.

Brawn came from no where and then returned comparatively to nowhere.

Now Red Bull who have seemed so dominant are suddenly upper mid pack.

Thats why F1 is fantastic. Just when you think you no whats coming in F1. F1 decides differently.

[Fertionbratte]

Thats why F1 is fantastic. Just when you think you no whats coming in F1. F1 decides differently.

Absolutely!

[fotochicaes]

I think they just need some better drivers.

Or a better chief of design!!

[Wsjltrhe]

Wow just seen I am at 2000 posts.

Do I qualify as one of the regulars now.

[bloriMal]

Just one post off topic. Where is everyone these days. Only about 5 of us chatting after the race today. Used to be slightly more activity on here.

Sorry jjust a little rant.

Back on topic.

[Pvfcadbh]

It is a strange thing about F1. A team may dominate and be a frontrunner for a long time, but things never last forever. Even since I watched F1 it has had so many fazes.

Renault's domination was stopped by "rule clarifications"...
Brawn's domination was stopped by rule clarifications...
Red Bullsh' domination has been stopped by rule clarifications.

[cookiemonster]

Just one post off topic. Where is everyone these days. Only about 5 of us chatting after the race today. Used to be slightly more activity on here.

Sorry jjust a little rant.

Back on topic.

We lost posters like 'Sonic' when the BBC lost half the races. I dare say a few others have walked away as a result too. The forum also split at the beginning of 2010 and many didn't follow, but it was certainly a lot busier than it is now. ioan trumped himself by claiming he wouldn't post again as long as Pirelli supplied the tyres and has thankfully kept his word. Not sure about the rest? We need to advertise this forum a little more and spread the word!!

[sanddrareyk]

Renault's domination was stopped by "rule clarifications"...
Brawn's domination was stopped by rule clarifications...
Red Bullsh' domination has been stopped by rule clarifications.

Ferrari's domination was extended by "rule clarifications"

[xrumerang]

[streMunford]

Not good over a single lap.

Can't fault their race pace.

[dselectronics]

But from Vettel being super confident ,and clever with it too,the one fingers and all that ,they now seem to have egg on their faces !Frustration on the Red Bull pit wall too!

[SeelaypeKet]

I think that it is the FIA who stopped them. The new rules seem to be specifically made against the strenghts of the RBR car. But honestly I still enjoy Seb fighting like a lion, making mistakes like a human and still showing his brilliance as a champion, although battling for lower positions. My respect for him won't be diminished if he fails to win the WDC this year

[BokerokyBan]

It's funny how a few 'clarifications' from the FIA as to what is and is not cheating has lead to Red Bull being back on par with everyone else. As for Seb, he'll struggle against Fred and Lewy as we saw.

[Biassasecumma]

I still enjoy Seb fighting like a lion, making mistakes like a human and still showing his brilliance as a champion, although battling for lower positions. My respect for him won't be diminished if he fails to win the WDC this year

I don't miss his arrogant finger pointing one bit It's good for him to get his arse handed to him a little. It builds character.

[WertyNtont]

Nobody dominates forever. Its just a natural cycle where different teams enjoy success.

You havent watched WRC for a while have you

I think its good that RBR arent dominating anymore. Me and a friend at work who also follows F1 were talking earlier this year, we often ask "who do you think will win the next race?". The first part of this year, we genuinely had absolutely no idea. If last year I said that Williams would take a race win this year, no one on this board would have believed me.
But this is the fantastic thing that is F1, and I hope it stays this way

[carlsberg21]

Well Christian Horner seems to have decided who's to blame for his cars' fall from domination:

Horner: Throw everything at it | Planet F1 | Formula One | News, Standings, Results, Features, Video

That's the full article. Here are the best bits from Horner:

"DNFs are extremely expensive and it is our first no points scoring race since 2010 - which also happened to be an engine failure that cost us on that day as well."

TRANSLATION: Renault messed it up for us today, just like THEY did in Korea 2010

"Sebastian, with the lap he did in qualifying on Saturday, it was absolutely everything there was," said Horner.
"You only have to look at an audio overlay to see where we haemorrhaged the time"

TRANSLATION: You only have to listen to hear how poor the Renault engine is, and where we haemorrhaged the time.

"In the race Seb was really hanging on and doing a really strong job.
"He managed to hold on to Jenson (Button) early on in the race, but then the Ferrraris were just too quick on the straights for us.
"We were just powerless to defend, but Sebastian did nothing wrong. He drove as hard as he could.

TRANSLATION: He was hanging on to a tow as best as he could. That was our only hope of getting a bit of straightline speed, as the Renault engine was palpably not up to the job.
The Ferraris were just too quick on the straights for us, because they aren't lumped with dodgy Renault engines. We are.
"We were just powerless" = Exactly

"Monza unfortunately exposed our weakness."

I think that speaks for itself. Christian seems to be very sure exactly what the weakness is!



P.S. Rule changes brought Ferrari's domination to an end in 2005.

Also, yeah it is really quiet around here these days...

[ZX3URrBH]

Maybe they should have used different ratios? Hitting the limiter in top gear isn't all down to the engine. Sure all Renault powered cars seemed less competitive but they did okay at Spa, hardly a slow track.