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QEoMi752 05-21-2012 06:48 AM

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Drivers are paid to do a job. The DRS is an exercise in fakery anyway, why are paid professionals' opinions a "joke" in your opinion?
The actual technology isn't fake in itself, it is how it is applied, that is, having it predetermined when and where the DRS can be applied throughout practice, qualifying and the race.

No-one is forcing them to use DRS in the tunnel, or Eau Rouge/Radillon for that matter. So if they don't want to use it, they simply don't have to press the button.

AdobebePhoto 05-21-2012 11:09 AM

That was before Spain! Spain to Monaco is only two weeks.

h98hhYxM 05-21-2012 12:32 PM

I wonder why LH is the favorite on paper but no one has mentioned Alonso. After all last year, with a car that was worse than this year's Alonso was in a very good position to take the pole.

This track does not priviledge the aerodynamics of the car. The successfull car on this track needs to be fast at the exit of the many very slow curves and to have an excellent grip.

LH is pretty good in Montecarlo but on paper, let's be honest, there are many skilled pilots, worldchampions, who know a thing or two about how the make it to the pole: You know and I know it.

I know there are many McLaren fans in here but that should not be preventing people to have a more objective view of the many possible winner this year. It' down to the one who gets the tire temperature right and able to administer their tires right. If anything that should help JB more that LH.

mikelangr 05-21-2012 03:34 PM

I agree with most of your post mstillhere but the last point about JB and LH I think you have the wrong way round. Lewis is far better at getting his tyres up to temp and a lot quicker at doing so from past experience. Button struggled last year in the early stages with tyre temp and Monaco has a habit of being a cold race on average. Both Mac drivers however are past winners here along with Vettel and Alonso. Sebs record isn't as good as the others here but this season any one of 6 drivers could steal the show IMO. What is usually a dull race could actually be a good one this year http://www.motorsportforums.com/imag...lies/smile.gif

liontutuxx 05-21-2012 04:29 PM

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I wonder why LH is the favorite on paper but no one has mentioned Alonso.
I think that many people still don't believe that the Ferrari is on par with the McLaren, but we have to wait and see what happens, as Kimi likes to say http://www.motorsportforums.com/imag...lies/smile.gif

neotheMit 05-21-2012 06:23 PM

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I wonder why LH is the favorite on paper but no one has mentioned Alonso. After all last year, with a car that was worse than this year's Alonso was in a very good position to take the pole.

This track does not priviledge the aerodynamics of the car. The successfull car on this track needs to be fast at the exit of the many very slow curves and to have an excellent grip.

LH is pretty good in Montecarlo but on paper, let's be honest, there are many skilled pilots, worldchampions, who know a thing or two about how the make it to the pole: You know and I know it.

I know there are many McLaren fans in here but that should not be preventing people to have a more objective view of the many possible winner this year. It' down to the one who gets the tire temperature right and able to administer their tires right. If anything that should help JB more that LH.
For me I simply think that the Ferrari isn't enough car this year, even with Alonso driving it. I think the Renaults and the Mclarens have the best mechanical grip/balance as well as some very good drivers. It might also be a great track for the Red Bull if Vettel can keep his head right. I think the RB is putting the power down great on corner exits.

Buyingtime 05-21-2012 08:00 PM

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For me I simply think that the Ferrari isn't enough car this year, even with Alonso driving it. I think the Renaults and the Mclarens have the best mechanical grip/balance as well as some very good drivers. It might also be a great track for the Red Bull if Vettel can keep his head right. I think the RB is putting the power down great on corner exits.
Red Bull? You mean Jaguar, surely?

FuXA8nQM 05-22-2012 05:27 AM

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For me I simply think that the Ferrari isn't enough car this year, even with Alonso driving it. I think the Renaults and the Mclarens have the best mechanical grip/balance as well as some very good drivers. It might also be a great track for the Red Bull if Vettel can keep his head right. I think the RB is putting the power down great on corner exits.
As I said there isn't a sure candidate who looks like has Montecarlo in his pocket. And let's not forget the variable presented by the accidents and the Pirelli's supersoft being used in here for the first time. No team knows what to expect from these tires. I loved what RB's boss said about Williams' victory: "They still don't know how the won" http://www.motorsportforums.com/imag...lies/smile.gif .

alskdjreyfd 05-22-2012 05:17 PM

I watched Monaco '07 on Phone Hack F1 last night. The McLaren was in a class of its own that year - it never fails to amaze me that they managed to snatch defeat of the WDC from the jaws of victory.

swwatch 05-22-2012 05:44 PM

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I watched Monaco '07 on Phone Hack F1 last night. The McLaren was in a class of its own that year - it never fails to amaze me that they managed to snatch defeat of the WDC from the jaws of victory.
And this happened under the leadership of Ron Dennis and not Martin Whitmarsch.

AblemTee 05-22-2012 05:46 PM

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And this happened under the leadership of Ron Dennis and not Martin Whitmarsch.
Yes, and Max was still getting spanked every fortnight while the rest of us were blissfully unaware.......

mikeyyuiok 05-22-2012 05:48 PM

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Yes, and Max was still getting spanked every fortnight while the rest of us were blissfully unaware.......
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autoloanexpert 05-23-2012 03:57 AM

http://www.motorsportforums.com/imag...ies/sailor.gif Let's throw a little rain into the mix and it could be a mega-lottery!
Monaco Weather Forecasts | Maps | News - Yahoo! Weather

Formula 1
It's still a little early to tell, plus they are predicting sunshine on Monday in the extended
forecast, but I have a feeling rain will affect either quali, the race, or both.

buyviagraonlineusatoday 05-23-2012 07:27 AM

Meanwhile in the Williams garage they are hard at work setting up in Monaco, especially the mechanic in back of the car. http://www.motorsportforums.com/imag...ies/tongue.gif

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ENCOSEARRALIA 05-23-2012 12:15 PM

It looks like the yellow branded soft tires will be "the primes" and the red branded supersofts (being used for the first time this season) will be "the options". According to Pirelli the primes are worth 50 laps plus on the Monaco circuit.
The soft tyres are capable of lasting for 50 laps or more, making a one-stop strategy entirely realistic F1: Pirelli P Zero Red supersoft tyres to make debut in Monaco | News | Motorsport.com

aliceingoogs 05-23-2012 06:32 PM

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Meanwhile in the Williams garage they are hard at work setting up in Monaco, especially the mechanic in back of the car. http://www.motorsportforums.com/imag...ies/tongue.gif

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7087/7...5f16dfc6_c.jpg
He's picking a winner for sure!

Clolmemaexata 05-24-2012 02:14 AM

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It looks like the yellow branded soft tires will be "the primes" and the red branded supersofts (being used for the first time this season) will be "the options". According to Pirelli the primes are worth 50 laps plus on the Monaco circuit.

F1: Pirelli P Zero Red supersoft tyres to make debut in Monaco | News | Motorsport.com
I'd like to see that.

Nadin Maison 05-24-2012 10:25 AM

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I'd like to see that.
You saw it lat year if you were watching!

Vettel won on a one stopper last year putting 57 laps on the yellow branded primes in a race that was red flagged on lap 72 (six short of full distance)
I would be remiss if I did not mention that some of Vettels laps were behind the safety car.
Here are a few more bits you might be surprised to learn:

The longest "used supersoft" opening stint was Massa with 26 laps.
The longest "new supersoft" opening stint was Barrichello with 32 laps.
The single longest "used supersoft" stint was Sutil - 34 laps (L34 to L68)
The single longest "new supersoft" stint was Liuzzi - 40 laps (L32 to L72).
If you want data from someone other than a backmarker, single longest "new supersoft" goes to Kobayashi with 38 laps (34-72)

Here is the official Pirelli pit stop summary: http://www.pirelli.com/mediaObject/p..._29may2011.pdf


Given that lap 72 was the red flag, we can assume that Liuzzi and Kobayashi wouldn't have stopped with 6 laps to go. Had the race run its course, Liuzzi was on for 46 laps on the supersoft, and Kobayashi for 44 laps on the supersoft

I think that this info will go out the window however, because if it doesn't rain for the race I'm guessing it will rain enough to cause the track to have less rubber down than last year.

AnthonyKing 05-24-2012 12:12 PM

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On the eve of free practice which signals the start of the Monaco Grand Prix weekend, Fernando Alonso revealed to those in the paddock a new helmet that he has personally designed especially for this race. It was first seen on Twitter and boasts a white and gold livery, dedicated to the Principality and games of chance. It also features numbers that have a special significance in his life and in the history of the Scuderia, represented by the Ferrari 158, which was given its debut here in Monaco by Englishman John Surtees who went on to win the 1964 World Championship in that car. The helmet will be auctioned, with proceeds going to projects aimed at road safety for children run by the foundation that bears his name. It features a mix of strong emotions from the Asturian driver, who wanted to mix elements of the sacred and profane. The top of the helmet features cards, dice, chips, a roulette wheel and a yacht. In another reference to Ferrari, the back of the helmet bears the slogan “Bet on Red.” One of the most significant elements is the Cross of Victoria, a famous piece of pre-Roman Asturian art, which can be found in the Sacristy of the Salvatore Cathedral in his home town of Oviedo and which has become a symbol for Asturia. It bears the Latin inscription “Hoc tuetur segno Pio. Hoc vincitur segno inimicus” (“With this sign thou shalt defend the pious, with this sign thou shalt defeat the enemy.”) As for the numbers, starting with the lowest, there is a 5, representing Alonso’s car number, 14, a number that’s special to him, 19, his fastest race laps and corners at Monaco, 20, his poles in Formula 1, 30, his age, 70, for the Monaco Grand Prix’s seventieth anniversary, 75 his F1 podiums and 78, the number of race laps here F1, Formula 1 news - Alonso: It

Shiplyopidomi 05-24-2012 04:58 PM

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Lewis is a favorite to win it on paper
Shame they're racing on tarmac, then.

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