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Old 08-15-2011, 10:20 AM   #21
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Villeneuve probably feels bad because Kimi won a title in a Ferrari and because Jacques' dad was such a legendary driver for Ferrari, he's probably feeling sour grapes that he was never asked to drive for them.

Why else would you make a comment about an almost four year old season?
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Old 08-15-2011, 02:20 PM   #22
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I was a big fan of Jacques when Hill left Williams and some of his comments over the years I have found amusing because I suppose I haven't always assumed he was being serious. Lately he's been quite arrogant about certain aspects in the sport and even said he has barely seen a race since he retired. Now he has opinions on a season which he claimed he hadn't watched and about a sport he classed as boring in the extreme to the point he found himself falling asleep. Well Jacques I'm laughing at you rather than with you on this one. We need to get Jacques back in the paddock in some form as he would definately take the heat off Lewis in the saying stupid things department lol.
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Old 08-15-2011, 07:59 PM   #23
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Never understood why anyone is paying attention to this guy. Probably because of his surname, can't see any other reason.
Well, he is a former CART champion (from when that meant something), an Indy 500 winner and and a former F1 champion. His (early)F1 stats are also a touch better than his Dad's shortened carreer. He did himself no favors(other than his bank account) by going to BAR.
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Old 08-15-2011, 09:02 PM   #24
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I was a big fan of Jacques when Hill left Williams and some of his comments over the years I have found amusing because I suppose I haven't always assumed he was being serious. Lately he's been quite arrogant about certain aspects in the sport and even said he has barely seen a race since he retired. Now he has opinions on a season which he claimed he hadn't watched and about a sport he classed as boring in the extreme to the point he found himself falling asleep. Well Jacques I'm laughing at you rather than with you on this one. We need to get Jacques back in the paddock in some form as he would definately take the heat off Lewis in the saying stupid things department lol.
I guess it's time to step in here , and clear acouple of things up .

Firstly , he was in Brazil , and was pumping his friend Massa for the crowd .
The comment was in reference to Massa perhaps being more deserving than Kimi of a championship , despite not having one .
It could be argued McLaren lost it , rather than Kimi won it .

He has said recently that he hasn't bothered watching it lately , not during the season with Kimi winning .


JV gets a lot of stick for trying the start-up route .
But , it was his father's dream , too .

There was no offer from Williams , but there were offers , and he chose his road .
It might have worked , but Reynard let the wings fall off , and wouldn"t allow adjustment until it was too late .
Then came his fight with Richards .

It's all in the past .

It is too bad he's not in the paddock right now , because he'd be the one speaking out about the Dumb/Dopey RS .
He'd be vocal about how they can't see .
He'd be able to nurse those Pirellis .
He'd be defending Lewis , as he's on his side a number of times this year .

And , he'd be faster than the red shoe , for sure .
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Old 08-15-2011, 09:25 PM   #25
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I agree Massa should have a championship. That last 30 seconds at Interlagos was one of the biggest roller coaster rides of emotions I can remember. When Glock had little choice but to let Hamilton by it just gutted me. I can't imagine what Filipe felt.
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Old 08-16-2011, 01:45 AM   #26
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I agree Massa should have a championship. That last 30 seconds at Interlagos was one of the biggest roller coaster rides of emotions I can remember. When Glock had little choice but to let Hamilton by it just gutted me. I can't imagine what Filipe felt.
It was a great climax and I did feel sorry for Felipe who held his head high and took defeat like a man. The best man did win though.
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Old 08-16-2011, 03:54 AM   #27
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Well, he is a former CART champion (from when that meant something), an Indy 500 winner and and a former F1 champion. His (early)F1 stats are also a touch better than his Dad's shortened carreer. He did himself no favors(other than his bank account) by going to BAR.
Gilles never had a Newey-designed Williams, instead he often struggled with an uncompetitive Ferrari so statistics don't really do the faster Villeneuve justice.
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Old 08-16-2011, 05:18 AM   #28
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Kimi may not have deserved the championship in 2007 but perhaps did deseve it in '03. Villeneuve meanwhile won in a far superior car against a team mate in his first year at the team. Definitely pots and kettles me thinks.
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Old 08-16-2011, 08:02 AM   #29
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Kimi may not have deserved the championship in 2007 but perhaps did deseve it in '03. Villeneuve meanwhile won in a far superior car against a team mate in his first year at the team. Definitely pots and kettles me thinks.
Jacques first season was in 1996, when he had Damon Hill as a team mate who won the Championship.

I think that Hungary of 1997 proved that Damon was a better driver than Jacques. The only reason Jacques won that race was because Hill's throttle linkage failed. For Hill to make the Arrows sing like that even for one race, I think marks him as a better driver.
Jacques more or less proved that you could put a trained monkey into those Williams and win a World Championship.

For all of Jacques' years at BAR-Honda, did he even score a single win? No? Jensen Button did (sort of - if Honda is/was BAR).
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Old 08-16-2011, 02:01 PM   #30
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Lets clear the water here. No one deserves anything. You either win it or you don't. There is no luck but the luck you make for yourself. No one is more deserving than another.
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Old 08-16-2011, 02:42 PM   #31
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There are always circumstances beyond our control, like the case of Massa he would have won a title if only Glock didn't give off the last lap. At the end yes, great believer in luck may find the harder they work, the more they have of it.
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Old 08-16-2011, 03:44 PM   #32
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Jacques first season was in 1996, when he had Damon Hill as a team mate who won the Championship.

I think that Hungary of 1997 proved that Damon was a better driver than Jacques. The only reason Jacques won that race was because Hill's throttle linkage failed. For Hill to make the Arrows sing like that even for one race, I think marks him as a better driver.
Jacques more or less proved that you could put a trained monkey into those Williams and win a World Championship.

For all of Jacques' years at BAR-Honda, did he even score a single win? No? Jensen Button did (sort of - if Honda is/was BAR).
Yeah, I have to agree with this. I have never seen JV driver a car like the Arrows the way Damon Hill did that day. It was sublime.
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Old 08-17-2011, 05:12 AM   #33
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Jacques first season was in 1996, when he had Damon Hill as a team mate who won the Championship.

I think that Hungary of 1997 proved that Damon was a better driver than Jacques. The only reason Jacques won that race was because Hill's throttle linkage failed. For Hill to make the Arrows sing like that even for one race, I think marks him as a better driver.
Jacques more or less proved that you could put a trained monkey into those Williams and win a World Championship.

For all of Jacques' years at BAR-Honda, did he even score a single win? No? Jensen Button did (sort of - if Honda is/was BAR).
I worded my previous post badly - I meant that Villeneuve's team mate (Frentzen) was in his first year at Williams when Villeneuve won his title.
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Old 08-17-2011, 07:21 PM   #34
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Well, JV is a very bitter old man, I think. He had the best moments in his career very early and then faded. Now nobody remembers him, but the hardcore fans and their opinion of his WDC is not very high. Personally I think that JV was a good driver, not a great one, but consistent and with a "never give up" attitude - especially in the early years of his career. But his years in BAR, I think, broke him, made him slow, bitter and, frankly, pathetic. I also think that his skill decreased and in the end he was a slow midfield driver. I also think that if he returns to F1 now, he will be extremely and excruciatingly slow.
About Kimi, I think that he deserved his championship. He was very fast in the end of the 2007 season, won more races than either Lewis, Alonso or Massa and showed the right attitude - kept his head down and let the driving do the talking, even when Felipe was faster (in mid-season). This was a stark contrast with the burning arrogance, which Hamilton demonstrated right from the start of his career and the bitterness of Alonso, who simply couldn't believe that a rookie can match him, let alone defeat him.
So I think that in 2007 that the best man won. Same about 2003, BTW - Kimi was very consistent and fast that season, but MS was relentless and in Indianapolis showed why all feared him in the rain.
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Old 08-18-2011, 02:42 AM   #35
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Well, JV is a very bitter old man, I think.
He was every bit as bitter when he was young too.
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Old 08-18-2011, 03:27 AM   #36
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Jacques is an excentric guy ^^. Always was with his interviews and different hair colours every sport has some of them, some are cool some are just douches. I like Jacques
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Old 08-18-2011, 02:16 PM   #37
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He was every bit as bitter when he was young too.
Really? Very sad, then.
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Old 08-18-2011, 02:26 PM   #38
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Really? Very sad, then.
I wouldn't say he was bitter back in the day but he certainly spoke his mind. Schumacher prided himself along with Ferrari's PR machine of not showing emotion or giving too much of an opinion (apart from Spa '98). Jacques did the opposite and although his opinions were often misguided or silly, it added entertainment to the sport. F1 can't tolerate people like Montoya and Villeneuve anymore. They are characters. Look at how fans get upset when Lewis Hamilton speaks his mind! People are far too sensitive these days and anyone who has a rant in the sport is instantly labelled as bitter or arrogant. I'd much rather have the Jacques's, the Juan's and the Lewis's over the sterile PR robots to be honest. I much prefer the Schumacher of now to the characterless Schumacher of old, as you can acyually see he's a nice bloke from simple communication with the media.
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Old 08-18-2011, 02:52 PM   #39
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Let the man speak his mind. I know it's quite shocking to see this days (ex-)drivers that have an opinion about stuff but sometimes it happens and we have to put up with it. Don't get worried though. We'll get our fair share of Alonso says title still possible, Hamilton is committed to pushing hard, RBR says no no.1, mercedes adamant to close the gap, Ferrari still considering a break-up series, filled with Santander, Red Bull, Marlboro, Vodafone every other word
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Old 08-18-2011, 08:46 PM   #40
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Well, I guess that I am different because I liked the icy persona of M Schumacher back in the good old times, I think that it created an aura around him and worked very well not only for the media, but for the fans as well. About Spa 98, well, who wouldn't be angry? Tension was pretty high.
I don't think that the rubbish of JV or Lewis is good or interesting. I think that it is very stupid. But I guess that people like different things.
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