[Anaerbguagree]

the following is from wrc.com and reports about Citroen's team orders to maximise damaged limitation for Loeb's championship standings.

To do this Ogier started the second Plum Pudding test five minutes late to incur a 50-second time penalty and fall behind Loeb on the road before parking up nearing the end of the stage for almost 10 minutes.

“On this rally the team made this choice because there is big pressure from Mikko who closed the gap a lot in the championship because of our mistake,” said Loeb.

Ogier said before the start on Thursday evening that he would follow team orders but was downhearted when he was forced to surrender a points’ finish that would have been fitting reward as he fought back from his crash on Friday.

“I received a team order and I respected this,” he said. But when asked if the loss of what would have been two drivers’ championship points would spell the end of his title ambitions, Ogier said: “I have no comment about that. You can draw your own conclusion but no comment for me.”

Ogier’s frustrations intensified when he slowed again before the finish of the Power Stage to ensure he didn’t take any bonus points away from Loeb, who claimed three extra points for topping the times on the rally-closing test. He eventually finished a despondent 11th.

With very senior management (Jean Marc Galles) clearly on Loeb's side I wonder what kind of future Ogier will have at Citroen? It looks like Citroen are missing Sordo...... I just hope they dont ruin Ogier's career. I cant see Ogier going to Ford as I suspect after this last weekend the "love in with the Juohki Finns will continue"
Playing the long game and joining FX Demaison and all the other rumoured big name engineering / sporting director type moves from the service park at VW? Might be his best option.

[UitEz0Qo]

Ruin his career is a bit of a stretch.. If running orders change for 2012, then he will not have much disadvantage, if any. For 2013 Ogier can move to VW if he really wants to. I think he has all the options any driver can dream of. Even this season, he was given a huge opportunity, but failed to grab it. Loeb is favored, which is completely justified, given his history and importance for Citroen's marketing image.

[karkinadze]

Finally clever brains from leaders in citroen.

[KraskiNetu]

Surely this is what Citroen wants, however from a spectator point of view this is boring and frustrating. If Ogier managed to finish this rally wee would be set for one of the most intense finishes in the championship for a long time. Ogier is clearly not happy about it but he can't do much, better stay at Citroen one more year and leave to VW when the contract expires.

[leijggeds]

The silence from Oliver Quesnel is deafening.
Ogier will leave Citroen, I think that decision has already been made.
People say Ford cannot afford him, but maybe they cannot afford not to have him, and exaclt the catalyst they need to stay in WRC

[Wavgbtif]

Ogier can have no compliants, the team gave him 100% and he did a great job too but Loeb has done a better one over the season so far. Citroen could have handled a lot of things better this season, and making Ogier hang around for 10 minutes to give Loeb 1 point was a bit OTT and flattering to Mikko too

[EvonsRorgon]

If Ogier didn't crash out he would have won the rally, be championship leader and Citroens number one driver. He has only himself to blame. The pressure is taking him.
Compare that to how Loeb behaved in 2003 when the bosses told him to surrender his driver title aspirations for the manufacturers championship. If Loeb had acted like a spoiled cry-baby then, would he have won 7 titles later?? Sometimes you have to have patience because your time will still come. Ogier doesn't seem to understand this completely.

[PPActionnGuys]

To be fair, Quesnel is at Silverstone - overseeing the Peugeot ILMC effort!!
In all honesty, it seems as if he needs to bind his time at Citroen - until Loeb retires leaves. VW is an option, does he want to wait?? Ford isn't an option, he'd have to be mad to go there!!

[plalleste]

If Ogier didn't crash out he would have won the rally, be championship leader and Citroens number one driver. He has only himself to blame. The pressure is taking him.
Compare that to how Loeb behaved in 2003 when the bosses told him to surrender his driver title aspirations for the manufacturers championship. If Loeb had acted like a spoiled cry-baby then, would he have won 7 titles later?? Sometimes you have to have patience because your time will still come. Ogier doesn't seem to understand this completely.

+100000

[payloansday]

but i thought that Ogier never follows orders .... LOL

[payloansday]

The silence from Oliver Quesnel is deafening.
Ogier will leave Citroen, I think that decision has already been made.
People say Ford cannot afford him, but maybe they cannot afford not to have him, and exaclt the catalyst they need to stay in WRC

LOL...

[spamkillerf]

Next year different starting order system will not mean team orders not to come anyway. So Ogier have to wait another two years before he gets no1 in Citroen. However going to VW next year means he will maybe not have a competitive car. Going to Ford would be the best option and MW has to do something to tune up the competitness in his team. Not that the finn-boys are bad, but just to asure Ogier not going to other team.

[payloansday]

Next year different starting order system will not mean team orders not to come anyway. So Ogier have to wait another two years before he gets no1 in Citroen. However going to VW next year means he will maybe not have a competitive car. Going to Ford would be the best option and MW has to do something to tune up the competitness in his team. Not that the finn-boys are bad, but just to asure Ogier not going to other team.

kimi is going to be champion in 2 years so Ogier has to wait longer...

[payloansday]

On a serious note...

Ogier had his chance in australia to lead the championship...he destoyed his dream and naturally the team didn't want to risk anything from now on.

As for next year Ogier will start with Loeb on equal basis as they did this year (He won events with Loeb behind if my memory serves me right)...and the team will decide who is going for the championship when things become clear later in the season.

For all of you who would like a different team or a different nationality to win you have to wait a bit more...the tears will last until 2013 so brace yourselves for another year at least, its going to be a long and painful ride.

I really hope VW delivers a championship car straight away because the sport needs winners.

[spamkillerf]

On a serious note...

Ogier had his chance in australia to lead the championship...he destoyed his dream and naturally the team didn't want to risk anything from now on.

As for next year Ogier will start with Loeb on equal basis as they did this year (He won events with Loeb behind if my memory serves me right)...and the team will decide who is going for the championship when things become clear later in the season.

For all of you who would like a different team or a different nationality to win you have to wait a bit more...the tears will last until 2013 so brace yourselves for another year at least, its going to be a long and painful ride.

I really hope VW delivers a championship car straight away because the sport needs winners.

Clearly you have a point. That´s for sure.

(And you also remember me saying last year Kimi would be champion in a couple of years...)

[Hamucevasiop]

Ogier can have no compliants, the team gave him 100% and he did a great job too but Loeb has done a better one over the season so far. Citroen could have handled a lot of things better this season, and making Ogier hang around for 10 minutes to give Loeb 1 point was a bit OTT and flattering to Mikko too

both Loeb and Ogier have won 4 rallies this year. i do not see how one has out-performed the other. am i missing something?

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my wife and i have discussed it and think it would be ideal for Ogier and Solberg to join with VW. Loeb would suddenly see all of the bridges that he has burned:
Sordo wants to take down Loeb simply due to all of the 'team orders' for him to slow and allow Loeb to win lord knows how many times.
Mikko and Jari-Matti want to take down Loeb for the sake of beginning the restoration of the 'flying finns' being considered the fastest rally drivers on the planet.
Petter wants his title back and has proven that he can do it - if he has no mechanic failures or excessive punctures.
and now, Citroen is placing Ogier into the exact same boat as Sordo.

in short, Loeb is winning rallies, breaking records, and making a tremendous name for himself - quite a bit of it is done by stepping on the backs of his teammates.

it would be one thing if Loeb had outright won the majority of those rallies without his teammates backs to step on. but, that is clearly not the case.

i want to be clear, i do not dislike or have disdain for Loeb. there is no question in my mind that he is an incredible driver. but, to his dis-credit, he never gives credit to anyone that has helped him.

example: WRC Germany 2011 - Day 1, when asked about the choice of tires, Loeb went on to say 'we just watched the tv the night before.' when asked later, there was a quick shot of the Citroen team weather forecaster. why not just say 'our weather team did a great job.'

[payloansday]

Sordo wants to take down Loeb simply due to all of the 'team orders' for him to slow and allow Loeb to win lord knows how many times.

please name them....or ask your wife to do so if you do not remember.

[payloansday]

Petter wants his title back and has proven that he can do it - if he has no mechanic failures or excessive punctures.

Please remind me how many punctures Solberg had in australia...

[payloansday]

Citroen is placing Ogier into the exact same boat as Sordo.

why did they let him win gemany then ???

Ogier put his self in this place by crashing while he could be leading the championship...

[payloansday]

i want to be clear, i do not dislike or have disdain for Loeb

then why you lie about him ???