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Old 01-31-2009, 08:23 PM   #1
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Default You Be the Arbiter: Whose Sea is This?
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Old 01-31-2009, 08:30 PM   #2
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They are a member of both EU and NATO and they're vetoing our access to both if we don't give up some territory. Blackmail, more or less.
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Old 01-31-2009, 08:49 PM   #3
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The solution is to invade Umag. Problem solved.
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Old 01-31-2009, 09:09 PM   #4
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The solution is to invade Umag. Problem solved.
Neither side would fare well in a military confrontation. Both armies are crap at the moment. The terrain is hilly, difficult to advance through. Slovenia could take Umag though, via a surprise attack. We have no military nearby, nobody's expecting a fight.
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Old 01-31-2009, 09:17 PM   #5
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We couldn't charge a fee for ships passing even if we wanted to. International law guarantees free access to all ports regardles of where they are. For example, Turkey can't ban Russian ships from moving to and from Black Sea.
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Old 01-31-2009, 09:21 PM   #6
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Capodistria? the greek hero could have some slovene blood in him?

Anyway, I understand Slovenia, but they have bad luck to have such crappy access to the sea.

Making these waters international would be the best, but I guess that would be a big show of goodwill from Croatia, they don't have to do it.
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Old 01-31-2009, 10:12 PM   #7
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Slovenia is clearly right. Just look at the where the land border is. If anything the sea demarcation should be farther south.
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Old 01-31-2009, 10:22 PM   #8
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Why don't they do the Balkan thing, and kill each other over it? No, wait, killing over mediocre real estate is more of a Middle Eastern thing, isn't it? Okay, then: why don't they do the Balkan thing and kill each other for no particular reason at all? Then there will be no conflict.
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Old 01-31-2009, 11:02 PM   #9
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I see no GOOD solutions in this thread. Croatia is right so long as right of passage for all nations is maintained. If Slovenia refuses to support Croatian entry into the organizations named, then the Croations should hire (without any official support) some of the Somalian pirates to act as a sort of privateer fleet to interfere in Slovenian traffic. I hear the pirates are looking for work now that all those warships are involved.
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Old 02-01-2009, 12:02 AM   #10
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I thought the EU and NATO didn't take in countries with outstanding territorial disputes?
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Old 02-01-2009, 12:18 AM   #11
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I have a good solution.

Everyone SHUTS THE **** UP and goes home because there's no actual problem here.
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Old 02-01-2009, 12:20 AM   #12
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The easiest solution is to take the 'corridor' and just extend it all the way to Slovenian waters (but not giving them the whole thing), and either give it directly to them, or call it International Waters. Either one really. If they want fishing rights, they should just negotiate with Croatia for fishing rights. Or invade Trieste, which should be part of Slovenia clearly...
By the way, the "corridor" on the map is not a legally existing corridor. It was part of an attempted agreement in which Croatia would cede the area claimed by Slovenia and extend international waters by the way of the corridor, keeping only the tiny triangle above the corridor in order to preserve a border with Italy. The solution is "interesting", however it never got approval in Croatia since she gains nothing from it.
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Old 02-01-2009, 12:35 AM   #13
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It's all my water.
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Old 02-01-2009, 01:01 AM   #14
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I'm not sure that the international court is any particular nation's territory, but if you want to try and enforce your right to it then I'll sit back and watch.
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Old 02-01-2009, 01:23 AM   #15
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Sorry for being an interfering English bastard.
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Old 02-01-2009, 01:45 AM   #16
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Who doesn't have a national liquor? Doesn't everyone?
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Old 02-01-2009, 02:00 AM   #17
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That's British, so we can provide whisky for the world's drinking pleasure.

Besides, what's the US national liquor, given that whisky has already been taken?
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Old 02-01-2009, 02:09 AM   #18
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Which is just whisky.

Anyway, what is the Danes' contribution to the world of liquor? Before I bring in perry and cider, I'd just like to check that you don't have a pastis up your sleeve.

Furthermore, I don't want to defend England - I'm a European first, and a Briton second.
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Old 02-01-2009, 02:22 AM   #19
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I think we've threadjacked enough here already.
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Old 02-01-2009, 03:16 AM   #20
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Petition the EU to pay a one time fee to the folks being asked to give up territory to create a new international waterway (as has already been sugessted), and everybody wins.

-=Vel=-
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