[bahrains27]

Dont pay attention to the religious stuff on the page. Just watch the top two videos and a little ways down there is 2 CBC videos if you have time. I think there is some scary stuff we are messing with. The guy in the CBC video with glasses being interviewed is obviously covering stuff up. This thing is for real. Not just some prophecy or crackpot
theory.

http://www.abbaswatchman.com/Hurrica...nd%20Wilma.htm

Forget Plauge, Nuclear war and all that other crap. The earth might recover from those..but this. I cant be sure.

Someday something is gonna happen wether its CERN,Niberu, Nukes flying around or HAARP catching the sky on fire. Personally I think the human race is gonna destroy itself and maybe all life on this planet someday. Not niberu or some space invasion. We are getting to smart (actually stipid) for our own good. One can only hope an angry god or space aliens come down and put a stop to it.
But I doubt it.

[quottrethew]

I feeling very stipid. Thank you.

[beonecenry]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_c6HsiixFS8

[bahrains27]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_c6HsiixFS8

She's obviously a nut. Rainbows have been around forever and are a natural occurance.
Colors over China..not so much. And HAARP is no conspiricy. Maybe the part abut it causing earthquakes is but heating up the Ionsphere with billions of megawatts dont sound to safe to me and thats just one of the things the boys and girls at HAARP are doing.

[Andoror]

She's obviously a nut. Rainbows have been around forever and are a natural occurance.
Colors over China..not so much. And HAARP is no conspiricy. Maybe the part abut it causing earthquakes is but heating up the Ionsphere with billions of megawatts dont sound to safe to me and thats just one of the things the boys and girls at HAARP are doing.

not to dismiss you completely, but HAARP is nothing new, and if a nuclear explosion in the atmosphere causes little damage, i doubt pushing it upwards will. Could theoretically be used to change the jetstream though, so u Brits better be nice

[lalpphilalk]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_c6HsiixFS8

What is in our Oxygen supply!?

[bahrains27]

What is in our Oxygen supply!?

Tiny droplets of LSD left behind in Chem Trails [rofl]

[bahrains27]

not to dismiss you completely, but HAARP is nothing new, and if a nuclear explosion in the atmosphere causes little damage, i doubt pushing it upwards will. Could theoretically be used to change the jetstream though, so u Brits better be nice

You do have a point there. Never thought about that but from what I have read some scary things did happen and high atmospheric nuke tests were banned quick. This Thing in alaska can cause much more heat than a nuke I think. Not sure. Did you watch the part about heating up atmosphere up so much that it can luquify into a plasma shield. I dont know. It is still interesting and whoever made the videos is probably a scare monger. Got my goat. Id still like to just here what some more educated people then myself have to say. All I know is what the video tells me and lack any serious knowledge to debunk their claims. I am no pro on atmospheric heaters and microwaves but I am sure someone here knows about them and will watch the videos and say something. They also claim that it can tare a hole over an enemy country alowing the suns harmfull rays to scorch whoevers outside below. How the hell does it do that ?

[Andoror]

You do have a point there. Never thought about that but from what I have read some scary things did happen and high atmospheric nuke tests were banned quick. This Thing in alaska can cause much more heat than a nuke I think. Not sure. Did you watch the part about heating up atmosphere up so much that it can luquify into a plasma shield. I dont know. It is still interesting and whoever made the videos is probably a scare monger. Got my goat. Id still like to just here what some more educated people then myself have to say. All I know is what the video tells me and lack any serious knowledge to debunk their claims. I am no pro on atmospheric heaters and microwaves but I am sure someone here knows about them and will watch the videos and say something. They also claim that it can tare a hole over an enemy country alowing the suns harmfull rays to scorch whoevers outside below. How the hell does it do that ?

i didn't watch the video, but i have heard plenty on the old Art bell show, and looked into as much as i could find out a few years ago.

1st off, haarp is no where near the 1st installation of its kind... there have been arrays like this (albeit smaller) for decades. 1st thing i heard that it would be for was to bounce off the atmosphere and send messages to subs and track enem subs. There is alot of speculation it could be an attempt to control the weather and use weather as a weapon by lifting the atmosphere and thus changing the Jetstream.

As to your concern on plasma in the atmosphere, while it is probable with enough energy they could heat a small section of the atmosphere high enough to turn into plasma, it would take a ton of power, would not be able to be kept going very long, and while i get the willies thinking about plasma in the sky, i do actually see it quite often... a meteor shower (just 10 days ago there were a ton even) turns the portions of the atmosphere they pass through into plasma. The shuttle even, creates plasma when passing through.


Alot of this i am going by memory, so i might fudged a small detail or two, neeyik or some other genius might swoop in and fill in what they know, if anything on the subject.

[bahrains27]

HAARP is way more powerfull then all the other facilities put together. Heres a quote from an article.

The Eastlund ionospheric heater was different; the radio frequency (RF) radiation was concentrated and focused to a point in the ionosphere. This difference throws an unprecedented amount of energy into the ionosphere. The Eastlund device would allow a concentration of one watt per cubic centimeter, compared to others only able to deliver about one millionth of one watt.

I just wanted to be clear on that. Thanks though. I am glad for your input.

HAARP is not the Eastlund devide per say but it is based on it and the Military has the patents. The military dont invest in strictly scientific devices. Theres something sinister going on. Thay dont seem to worried about Russia anymore do they. Why not. They sure were back in the so called Cold War era.

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HAARP Boils the Upper Atmosphere

HAARP will zap the upper atmosphere with a focused and steerable electromagnetic beam. It is an advanced model of an "ionospheric heater." (The ionosphere is the electrically-charged sphere surrounding Earth's upper atmosphere. It ranges between 40 to 60 miles above the surface of the Earth.

Put simply, the apparatus for HAARP is a reversal of a radio telescope; antenna send out signals instead of receiving.

HAARP publicity gives the impression that the High-frequency Active Auroral Research Program is mainly an academic project with the goal of changing the ionosphere to improve communications for our own good. However, other U.S. military documents put it more clearly -- HAARP aims to learn how to "exploit the ionosphere for Department of Defense purposes." Communicating with submarines is only one of those purposes.
Press releases and other information from the military on HAARP continually downplay what it could do. Publicity documents insist that the HAARP project is no different than other ionospheric heaters operating safely throughout the world in places such as Arecibo, Puerto Rico, Tromso, Norway, and the former Soviet Union. However, a 1990 government document indicates that the radio-frequency (RF) power zap will drive the ionosphere to unnatural activities. The military says the HAARP system could:

• Give the military a tool to replace the electromagnetic pulse effect of atmospheric thermonuclear devices (still considered a viable option by the military through at least 1986)
  
• Replace the huge Extremely Low Frequency (ELF) submarine communication system operating in Michigan and Wisconsin with a new and more compact technology
  
• Be used to replace the over-the-horizon radar system that was once planned for the current location of HAARP, with a more flexible and accurate system
• Provide a way to wipe out communications over an extremely large area, while keeping the military's own communications systems working
• Provide a wide area earth-penetrating tomography which, if combined with the computing abilities of EMASS and Cray computers, would make it possible to verify many parts of nuclear nonproliferation and peace agreements
  
• Be a tool for geophysical probing to find oil, gas and mineral deposits over a large area
  
• Be used to detect incoming low-level planes and cruise missiles, making other technologies obsolete
  

The above abilities seem like a good idea to all who believe in sound national defense, and to those concerned about cost-cutting. However, the possible uses which the HAARP records do not explain, and which can only be found in Air Force, Army, Navy and other federal agency records, are alarming. Moreover, effects from the reckless use of these power levels in our natural shield -- the ionosphere -- could be cataclysmic according to some scientists. Two Alaskans put it bluntly. A founder of the NO HAARP movement, Clare Zickuhr, says "The military is going to give the ionosphere a big kick and see what happens."
The military failed to tell the public that they do not know what exactly will happen, but a Penn State science article brags about that uncertainty. Macho science? The HAARP project uses the largest energy levels yet played with by what Begich and Manning call "the big boys with their new toys." HAARP is an experiment in the sky, and experiments are done to find out something not already known. Independent scientists told Begich and Manning that a HAARP-type "skybuster" with its unforeseen effects could be an act of global vandalism.

[bahrains27]

Good copy and paste there.....its some pretty alarming stuff.

[minowz]

Just send Remo in to sort it out, he mashed up HARP so whats another A

Sad

[usaguedriedax]

And how much energy do you guys think the sun is putting into the upper atmosphere - let alone a decent sized solar flare?
One Watt per cubic centimeter would be 1x10^15W (I think, from adding it up on my fingers) per cubic kilometer, or 1 billion MW/km^3. For a significant part of the atmoshere, that'd be an aweful lot of power they'd need to handle and I seriously doubt they have the capacity for that.

[Amirmsheesk]

A very good book to read on the subject of HAARP is called "Angels Don't Play This HAARP: Advances in Tesla Technology" by Nick Begich.

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MESSING WITH 'MOTHER EARTH' AND HER KIDS ELECTROMAGNETICALLY!

A BRIEF HISTORY OF EVENTS & DISCOVERIES

1886-8: Nikola Tesla invents system of Alternating Current power source and transmission system. As 60-pulse-per-second (hertz) AC power grids spread over the land, Mom Earth will eventually dance to a different beat than her usual 7-8 hertz frequency.
1900: Tesla applies for patent on a device to transmit Electrical Energy Through the Natural Mediums".
1905: U.S. Patent #787,412 issued for above.
1924: Confirmation that radio waves bounce off ionosphere (electrically-charged layer starting at altitude of 50 kilometers).
1938: Scientist proposes to light up night sky by electron gyrotron heating from a powerful transmitter.
1940: Tesla announces "death ray" invention.
1945: Atomic bomb tests begin 40,000 electromagnetic pulses to follow.
1952: W.O. Schumann identifies 7.83 hertz resonant frequency of the earth.
1958: Van Allen radiation belts discovered (zones of charged particles trapped in earths magnetic field) 2,000+ miles up. Violently disrupted in the same year.
1958: Project Argus, U.S. Navy explodes 3 nuclear bombs in Van Allen belt.
1958: White House advisor on weather modification says Defense Dept. studying ways to manipulate charges "of earth and sky, and so affect the weather
1960: Series of weather disasters begin.
1961?: Copper needles dumped into ionosphere as "telecommunications shield".
1961: Scientists propose artificial ion cloud experiments. In 1960'sthe dumping of chemicals (barium powder etc.) from satellites/rockets began.
1961-62: Soviets and USA blast many EMPs in atmosphere, 300 megatons of nuclear devices deplete ozone layer by about 4%.
1962: Launch of Canadian satellites & start of stimulating plasma resonances by antennas within the space plasma.6
1966: Gordon J. F. MacDonald publishes military ideas on environmental engineering.
1960's: In Wisconsin, US Navy Project Sanguine lays ELF antennae.
1968: Moscow scientists tell the West that Soviets pinpointed which pulsed magnetic field frequencies help mental & physiological functions and which do harm.
1972: First reports on "ionospheric heater" experiments with high frequency radio waves, at Arecibo. 100-megawatt heater in Norway built later in decade; can change conductivity of auroral ionosphere.
1973: Documentation that launch of Skylab `'halved the total electron content of the ionosphere for three hours"(by rocket exhaust gases).
1973: Recommendations for study of Project Sanguine's biological effects denied by Navy.
|1974: United Nations General Assembly bans environmental warfare.
1974: High-frequency experiments at Plattesville, Colorado; Arecibo, Puerto Rico; and, Armidale, New South Wales heat "bottom side of ionosphere".
1974: Experiments airglow brightened by hitting oxygen atoms in ionosphere with accelerated electrons.
1975: Stanford professor Robert Helliwell reports that VLF from power lines is altering the ionosphere.
1975: U. S. Senator Gaylord Nelson forces Navy to release research showing that ELF transmissions can alter human blood chemistry.
1975: Pell Senate Subcommittee urges that weather & climate modification work be overseen by civilian agency answerable to U.S. Congress. Didn't happen.
1975: Soviets begin pulsing "Woodpecker" ELF waves, at key brainwave rhythms. Eugene, Oregon, one of locations where people were particularly affected.
1976: Drs. Susan Bawin & W. Ross Adey show nerve cells affected by ELF fields.'s
1979: Launch of NASA's third High-Energy Astrophysical Observatory causes large-scale, artificially-induced depletion in the ionosphere. Plasma hole caused by "rapid chemical processes" between rocket exhaust and ozone layer." "ionosphere was significantly depleted over a horizontal distance of 300 km for some hours."
1985: Bernard J. Eastiund applies for patent "Method and Apparatus for Altering a Region in the Earth's Atmosphere, ionosphere and/or Magnetosphere,'' (First of 3 Eastiund patents assigned to ARCO Power Technologies Inc.)
1986: US Navy Project Henhouse duplicates Delgado (Madrid) experiment -- very low-level, very-low-frequency pulsed magnetic fields harm chick embryos. 20
1980's: In the later part of the decade the U.S. begins network of Ground Wave Emergency Network (GWEN) towers, each to generate Very Low Frequency (VLF) waves for defense purposes .
1987-92: Other APTI scientists build on Eastiund patents for development of new weapon capabilities.
I1994: Military contractor E-Systems buys APTI, holder of Eastiund patents and contract to build biggest ionospheric heater in world (HAARP).
1994: Congress freezes funding on HAARP until planners increase emphasis on earth-penetrating tomography uses, for nuclear counter proliferation efforts.
1995: Raytheon buys E-Systems and old APTI patents. The technology is now hidden among thousands of patents within one of the largest defense contractor portfolios.
1995: Congress budgets $10 million for 1996 under "nuclear counterproliferation" efforts for HAARP project.
1995: HAARP planners to test patent number 5,041,834 in September.
1994-6: Testing of first-stage HAARP (euphemistically named High frequency Active Auroral Research Program) equipment continues, although funding was frozen.
1996: HAARP planners to test the earth-penetrating tomography applications by modulating the electroject at Extremely Low Frequencies
1998: Projected date for fully-operating HAARP system.

[Dvjkefdw]

Just taking some of those random bits of stuff:
1973: Documentation that launch of Skylab `'halved the total electron content of the ionosphere for three hours"(by rocket exhaust gases).

1979: Launch of NASA's third High-Energy Astrophysical Observatory causes large-scale, artificially-induced depletion in the ionosphere. Plasma hole caused by "rapid chemical processes" between rocket exhaust and ozone layer." "ionosphere was significantly depleted over a horizontal distance of 300 km for some hours." There are dozens of rocket launches into Low Earth orbits every year and the ionosphere is still present, still doing what it's done for us for thousands of years.

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Was just posting from the book as I have most of it scanned and noted on my PC, but yes I agree, but it also says "for some hours" not permanent, but how do you know that the ionosphere is not damaged in places? Yes of course it's still there and doing its job it has been for many 100’s of years and it would be hard for us to really damage it for us to really notice effects without 1000’s of more experiments shot into the sky, but it's very likely it is or has been damaged in places.

I personally think they are doing experienments with weather changing and other stuff with HAARP as we speak, but that's just what I think and looking at history I personally think it is very likely.

[Dvjkefdw]

The ionosphere isn't going to suffer permanent damage because it is being constantly reionised by solar radiation, which is significantly more energetic than the radio/microwave stimulation being done by the likes of HAARP.

[Finanziamento]

Arr ok I got you, but I guess it just means they can keep playing and playing without effecting it permanently like allot of people make out.