Sometimes I REALLY don't get the NRA
 

Only sometimes? This stance doesn't surprise me at all from them.

Why are they against registering weapons or any of the other sensible measures that don't prevent gun ownership.

Seriously, bunch of reactionary psychos.

Only sometimes?

Yeah, only sometimes. I do think gun ownership should be legal, so I agree with them on that issue (which is a substantial one).

[q=MikeH]Seriously, bunch of reactionary psychos with guns[/q]

Corrected.

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/15/op...ml?ref=opinion
WTF?!! How does this in any way infringe on gun rights?! It they start a war against the government they don't want to be identified.

The NRA is against anything that makes manufacturing or owning a gun more onerous, or, more importantly, more expensive. This sounds like expensive technology to me, they don't want that cost passed on to them.

Thats the only sane argument against that I can think of anyway.

Yep, nothing a little hammer and a chissel can't fix. Of course you shoud do that again AFTER the crime, as your chissel marks will be distinctive as well.

I wonder why Imran takes as fact the statements in a piece of argumentation. F.e., the article says the stamping is effective. Perhaps the NRA believes it is not effective.

DanS -- the wiki page for firearm microstamping discusses the technology pretty extensively. Sounds like it is (arguably) pretty effective and relatively cheap

But here's something I hadn't thought of...

It would also be possible for someone planning a criminal act to obtain fired casings with markings from a shooting range, for planting at the scene of a planned crime, erroneously linking unrelated gun owners to the crime scene to introduce doubt in any subsequent jury trial. Likewise, range brass, acquired at a range and reloaded, would still be marked with confusing markings on the head of the cartridge case, even after reloading. As not all bullets recovered from crime scenes are intact, which can prevent matching striations, these twists would introduce considerable confusion in processing and prosecuting criminal edit: xpost

The NRA has always been against any sort of responsible regulation of gun ownership. They even sued claiming people should have a right to own machine guns and military hardware. Fortunately, they lost.

That's an inappropriate simile. The NRA is a user's organization, not an industry organization.

Beyond naive.

I'd also be curious about the industry ties, or lack thereof, of the board of the NRA ... that's just as relevant if not more so.

Originally posted by SlowwHand
Registering firearms is fought by many because it puts everyone's name on a list.
When the USA is over-run by Haiti, then the occupiers have a list. ...Haiti? What's Haiti going to do, throw their AIDS-babies at us? Pick a more threatening country, which is to say pretty much any other country except the Vatican.

Originally posted by snoopy369
I'd also be curious about the industry ties, or lack thereof, of the board of the NRA ... that's just as relevant if not more so. I'll freely admit -- it's just speculation on my part. I just don't see how some of their policies make any sense except from the persective of gun sellers and manufacturers. Since the NRA is the most powerful lobby group in the nation, gun manufacturers wouldn't be doing their job if they didn't try to cozy up to the NRA leadership.

A quick google/wiki search on the NRA leadership didn't turn up anything though.

Originally posted by SlowwHand
Registering firearms is fought by many because it puts everyone's name on a list.
When the USA is over-run by Haiti, then the occupiers have a list. Except this method doesn't connect the gun to the owner. Rather, it connects the bullets to the gun.

While the NRA raises an interesting argument: This microstamping can be frustrated and thus this money can be better spent in other aspects of law enforcement, I am more swayed by the fact that law enforcement wants this. I betcha law enforcement can better assess what they need than can the NRA. http://www.discussworldissues.com/fo...milies/nod.gif

Originally posted by DanS
Ironically, in this regard, the NRA's membership list would probably do the Haitians just fine in a pinch. Consarn it! What's up with this Haiti thing? Is it an inside joke? C'mon, somebody tell meeeee!!!!

Originally posted by Kuciwalker


The IRS already has that list. They don't have a gun owner's list, Kuci.

Originally posted by Dr Strangelove
.... You should be able to use your firearm discretely and in privacy. But when a gun owner decides to use the fire arm to blow a loved one to Hell, the police should be able to dig the bullet out of the corpse and trace it back to the gun that fired it. http://www.discussworldissues.com/fo...milies/nod.gif

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It would also be possible for someone planning a criminal act to obtain fired casings with markings from a shooting range, for planting at the scene of a planned crime, erroneously linking unrelated gun owners to the crime scene to introduce doubt in any subsequent jury trial. Likewise, range brass, acquired at a range and reloaded, would still be marked with confusing markings on the head of the cartridge case, even after reloading. As not all bullets recovered from crime scenes are intact, which can prevent matching striations, these twists would introduce considerable confusion in processing and prosecuting criminal What kind of pig doesn't pick up his own brass? Answer: one who deserves to be framed! http://www.discussworldissues.com/fo...milies/lol.gif

You know, microstamping might not teach people to be peaceful, but it might teach them to be neat and courteous. http://www.discussworldissues.com/fo...ilies/cute.gif

Actually why would you expect matching striations on the bullet and the cartridge? The striations on a bullet are caused by minute imperfections of the barrel, but the cartridge doesn't travel down the barrel.

Originally posted by Zkribbler
But when a gun owner decides to use the fire arm to blow a loved one to Hell, the police should be able to dig the bullet out of the corpse and trace it back to the gun that fired it. http://www.discussworldissues.com/fo...milies/nod.gif So something like ballistics tests?