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Old 09-28-2007, 08:11 AM   #1
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Default There's nutty, there's real nutty...and then there's 9/11 nutty
I think it is a common situation where people with mental problems invent an identity that is easy to sympathize with and is instantly popular.

I really don't think she's abusing this for the money.

She wants recognition and she wants a more historic role for herself. But otherwise, leading the survivors fund is a good thing. So I don't see huge harm done, except for the people that would feel cheated because they believed her.
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Old 09-28-2007, 10:21 AM   #2
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Just plain nuttiness.

You know, I've been waiting for years to hear that someone present in the WTC on 9/11 quietly slipped away and started life all over again, while everyone he knew presumed him dead. This is like the opposite of that, though, and I must say I never imagined it.
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Old 09-28-2007, 10:58 AM   #3
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summary? ny times article on woman who may have faked being in the wtc building that was hit second and escaped. She didn't appear to gain financially for this. I'm guessing she only did it for the attention. But that's a hard act to keep up after all these years.
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Old 09-28-2007, 11:56 AM   #4
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I recall a documentary shown on S.B.S. in Australia a few years ago, which exposed the memoirs/autobiography of a Holocaust survivor as the fake it was.

Oddly, one of the people Wilkomirski met who supported and corroborated his story turned out to be someone who'd made up a satanic cult/child abuse story in the United States, some years prior to discovering she'd also survived the Holocaust.

This is a clear and thorough an expose of the fraud perpetrated by Bruno Grosjean Dossekker, who falsely claimed, in Fragments, to be one Binjamin Wilkomirski, a child survivor of the Holocaust. Stefan Maechler proves beyond any doubt that Wilkomirski is no such person and that Fragments is a fiction.
The author pursued every possible lead. He compared each minute detail in Dossekker's narration of "events" with historical records from such leading Holocaust scholars as Raul Hilberg and Lawrence Langer, accounts of other child survivors, interviews with members of the Dossekker and Grosjean families and more.

The most damning evidence Maechler unearthed is the fact that in 1981, Dossekker/Wilkomirski contested the will of Yvonne Grosjean, whom, in a letter to officials in Bern Siwtzerland, he called "my birth mother." Dossekker/Wilkomirski received a third of her estate.

Other damning evidence includes Dossekker/Wilkomirski's use of Laura Grabowski to "corroborate" his story. Grabowski claims to have known him in a children's home in Krakow. In fact, Grabowski is an American citizen of Christian faith who has since her youth fabricated stories about her victimhood, the most well-publicized being a book called Satan's Underground. The Social Security number of said Lauren Stratford is the same as that of Grabowski, who subsequently used it to make a false survivor's claim. Furthermore, Satan's Underground and Dossekker/Wilkomirski's book contain startling similarities.
http://www.amazon.com/Wilkomirski-Af.../dp/0805211357


Sad.
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Old 09-28-2007, 03:14 PM   #5
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Originally posted by Rufus T. Firefly
Just plain nuttiness.

You know, I've been waiting for years to hear that someone present in the WTC on 9/11 quietly slipped away and started life all over again, while everyone he knew presumed him dead. This is like the opposite of that, though, and I must say I never imagined it. Quoted For "I was gonna say that, too".
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Old 09-28-2007, 05:03 PM   #6
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Originally posted by Shrapnel12
There was a woman on the internet that I met, whom I had hoped to meet one day and even have a romance with. She told me all kinds of stories that at first seemed believable and I did not question. But as the incredible stories mounted, I began to doubt them. Just too many things were happening all at once to be true. Too many people close to here were dying, she was always getting beat up or raped, she was always coming up to see me but something always happened to postpone it, and her sister who lived in England was always flying over to visit her (like every other day it seemed). I stopped believing her and she stopped talking to me. Some people just can't live in the real world. That was me. Sorry about that.
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Old 09-28-2007, 06:49 PM   #7
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"Most people live lives of quiet desperation."

She escaped her dreary life, not by escaping into a fantasy world, but by dragging her fantasy world into this one. It's very sad when you think about it.
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Old 09-28-2007, 07:55 PM   #8
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Imagine if she'd turned all that creativity and energy into something legit and productive.
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Old 09-28-2007, 08:16 PM   #9
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If she'd written a book, then been exposed, she'd be on TV talk shows. Instead, she's just a sad case.
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Old 09-29-2007, 07:27 AM   #10
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Reminds me of the horrors I witnessed in 'Nam.
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Old 09-30-2007, 01:13 AM   #11
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Are you ok DaShi?
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Old 09-30-2007, 07:53 AM   #12
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I doubt that number, and I doubt all the women are telling the truth. Not that it isn't a serious problem. I can't speak for all women. But these particular women I knew well enough to know when they are lying. On in particular would use long pauses in between her sentences when she was lying.
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Old 09-30-2007, 08:00 PM   #13
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Originally posted by DaShi
Reminds me of the horrors I witnessed in 'Nam. You stayed in a youth hostel too ?
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Old 10-01-2007, 01:46 PM   #14
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Originally posted by molly bloom



You're darn tootin'.


You went to see 'Hostel' on a date.

Why not go the whole hog next time and make it a romantic Valentine's Night at a double bill showing of 'Henry: Portrait Of A Serial Killer' and 'Dressed To Kill' ? haha, it was her choice. I don't like those kinds of movies. If it were my choice I'd take her to Die Hard or something
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Old 10-02-2007, 01:35 PM   #15
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I saw you do it.
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