Is this cheating?
 

I have no idea what an "open note" test means... but it's cheating, and it's fine to cheat. It's cheating because you're declaring something that isn't your notes to be. So it's technically cheating, but not morally.

And it certainly isn't teaching. Teachers who go ahead reading their lectures verbatim from a book don't deserve the wage they're being paid.

Originally posted by Ecthy
Is it cheating if you're not sure if she was a tranny? it dpends if your Polish mate knows, Etchy.

It's cheating because you're declaring something that isn't your notes to be. Good point, but if I copied the chapter, by hand, would that make them my notes?

I think Open Notes is stupid. I've heard of Open Book though.

If you copy the book, maybe you'll end up remembering. That's pretty much what the goal of the class would seem to be geared towards accomplishing.

I'd like to see Pekka's notes, with the attached rambling viewpoints on the subject. http://www.discussworldissues.com/fo...ies/tongue.gif

Notes have to be your own work, not copied. The idea is that forming effective notes aids learning.

This poll is cheating. Either the answer is in your "notes", or you don't know it. Stop asking us to give you the answers!

good point Flubber

Originally posted by Solver
Notes have to be your own work, not copied. The idea is that forming effective notes aids learning.

The idea is that the education system again insists on applying the same methods to everyone. They're in no position to judge how notes affect everyone's learning by demanding those notes to be shown - I understand that's the case here. No it isn't. You are allowed to bring your notes to the test. You don't have to. But you can't bring the textbook to the test.

I had students who did this all the time when I gave open-note tests.

It's not cheating. It's just incredibly f*cking stupid. The point of notes is to distill the important stuff in the chapters; bring in the whole chapters, and you have to use crucial test time wading through the chapters looking for the important stuff.

No student of mine, using that strategy, ever seemed to get above a D on a test -- and I was an easy grader.

Originally posted by Rufus T. Firefly
It's not cheating. It was never allowed on any of my open-note tests. YMMV, but as you said, it's stupid anyway.

Oh, and the next person who says "would of" I'm totally going ballistic on. (The next person who says it not for the purpose of annoying me, anyway.)

It's "Would have", not "would of". Please-for-the-love-of-God-or-whatever-metaphysical-or-philosophical-construct-you-choose-to-worship-or-believe-or-support. It's painful.

Nah, HS you still are learning the groundwork for your future endeavors. Even if you're in vector analysis in HS (as I was) you are ultimately learning the groundwork for later mathematics studies (well, I wasn't, as I decided math wasn't for me after vector analysis, but ...)

That's how the school system is structured in America, though. You learn nonspecific information up through 12th grade, then you go off and specialize ("major") at some point shortly thereafter (usually within a year except for slackers). It's not until you are taking classes in the specific subset that is your major that you're really learning the specifics for your future career.

Spend a few years in college and you'll understand, young Kuciwalker. http://www.discussworldissues.com/fo...lies/smile.gif

Yet you still haven't read (or understood) a word I said http://www.discussworldissues.com/fo...ilies/wink.gif

Perhaps you should've studied harder in English?

Ah, to be nineteen again, and think I know everything... :sigh:

In all seriousness I entered one of the top ten schools in the nation with nearly a full year of classes done... but it's still not the same thing in terms of the point of college. Sure, you could take all four years of college while in high school, but that rather invalidates the comparison, as you're taking college classes. In your case, you essentially entered college a year early, is all...

Originally posted by snoopy369
In all seriousness I entered one of the top ten schools in the nation with nearly a full year of classes done... but it's still not the same thing in terms of the point of college. Sure, you could take all four years of college while in high school, but that rather invalidates the comparison, as you're taking college classes. In your case, you essentially entered college a year early, is all... Convenient. Your point is correct by your definition.

Not cheating at all. Open notes means open notes, and you can take whatever notes you want.

As far as I can see, this is not cheating, but it's a ineffective way to do it.http://www.discussworldissues.com/fo...ies/tongue.gif

Yep, that's exactly the point.

I would rather let students make up a note sheet with important dates on them so that they could reference them in the essays that they write on the exam. Fairer then having them try to guess or remember the exact dates.

On anything else they write, they will have to check all their facts, and they will be more likely to remember them if they write them down to prepare.