[DurryVony]

There seems to be a dominant opinion on this forum that cops are not needed, oppressing NWO pigs, and nobody here seems to think they add any value to society at all. But, rather they are hellbent to take our freedoms away.

I have a couple of questions on this mentality, and a couple of thoughts too..

1) If there were no cops at all, what do you think our cities would look like? Furthermore, even if you don't live anywhere near a city...would you be happy to see our great American cities burn in complete chaos and destruction?

2) Regarding cops not helping people. I've posted before about this, my question is, do you think that cops help people when people are not looking? Or rather, see that help.

For example, one time when patrolling our beat, we just happened to roll up on two guys breaking into a car. We arrested these guys, crime in progress, and even the two criminals admitted that it was not their car, and in a statement that they were breaking into it. (who said criminals were smart). Case closed. However, our beat was so busy at the time, we didn't even alert the owner of the car. The car was still locked, it was late at night. Also, there was no visible damage to the car, we saw the crime happening, we just took the guys in, took statements, wrote the report.

Now, the owner probably never knew his car was being broken into. He probably just woke up the next morning, with a cup of coffee, and drove to work and it was just a normal day. Who knows.

My point, is that while I agree that there needs to be checks and balances in place to prevent corrupt police work, and I agree, it's important for people to know when true oppression is happening. I also think, there's an agenda to divide the citizens of our nation, and cops, and put them against each other.

Instead of cops and people working together, to fight crime, to uphold our freedoms and constitution, there's an agenda to divide and conquer. My thoughts, which is why I try to keep an open mind with any news media report. To see the truth, and not be blinded by fear or hatred towards police.

[Smabeabumjess]

Truth is, we would be fucked as a society without cops. Murders, rapes, crimes, and such would be rampant...for a while. Eventually neighborhood watches and locals would form their own system of protection and justice. We would have warloads and street gangs and mercenaries eventually filling the roles the cops previously had.

[DoctorNiCYDEn]

Your verbiage is interesting. I do not own a city, nor likely do you, so from whence comes "our cities" and "our great (HAH!) American cities"? Furthermore, your juxtaposing your first question with the second seems to imply a connection between "no cops and all" and "chaos and destruction".

In reply to your questions:

1) With no cops at all, security would be taken on by the private sector, and would thus be more responsive and less costly on a net basis. As for cities: not my problem.
2) I am sure of the million or so cops in this country, at least one has helped someone within the last twenty-four hours when someone else was not looking.

My distrust of cops arises from numerous sources -
a) that they wield almost unlimited power in practice,
b) that they are nigh unaccountable due to closing ranks e.g. 'thin blue line', a lack of 'civilian' oversight, and jury bias,
c) that resisting them, even if they act unlawfully, allows them to perpetrate violence that they often inflict disproportionately, &
d) that steroid use among cops has behavioural ramifications.
e) There is also the matter of pre-existing cultural bias.

The subsequent saccharine rhetoric is not worthy of address. Playing on predispositions by hinting at agendas and pandering to unity and truth may fool some people, but not all of them.

[JorgiOLusinio]

If there was no cops or central issuing authority people would have to be responsible for their own actions and safety.

Would there be chaos in some areas?

Yes it would but word would spread and those areas would be avoided for lack of safety and they'd eventually collapse in on themselves as anyone with sense will not support such areas or people.


Couple this with the fact that if people were armed and had the ability to protect their person property and loved ones with lethal force . I am of the opinion that a society would emerge that has common sense principles on daily living and dealing with people.

Not a perfect society( because there has never been one in the history of the world ) but a functioning one none the less.

[DurryVony]

1) With no cops at all, security would be taken on by the private sector, and would thus be more responsive and less costly on a net basis. As for cities: not my problem.
2) I am sure of the million or so cops in this country, at least one has helped someone within the last twenty-four hours when someone else was not looking.

Fair enough, Skirnir. My response to your answers...

1) As a citizen who was once proud of our nation, yes our nation, in a patriotic sense, I care enough about 'our' cities to want to see their well being. Same with our country as a whole. The 'not my problem' mentality is what is going to bring our country to it's knees eventually.

2) You proved my point that nobody sees the good things cops do. A million cops, every day, do things such as the example I posted, but it is not recognized at all. This is by design, imo. Not playing on any predispositions, but we talk a lot about agendas on this forum. I thought my questions and thoughts on the subject a direct one, not one to fool others. Honest questions.

[JJoon077]

If there were no cops the cities would be overflowing with donuts.

[DurryVony]

If there was no.cops or central issuing authority people would have to be responsible for their our actions and safety.

Would there be chaos in some areas?

Yes but word would spread those areas are to be avoided for lack of safety and they would eventually collapse in on themself as anyone with sense will not support such areas and people.


Couple this with the fact that if people were armed and had the abilty to protect their person property and loved ones with lethal force . I am of the opinion that a society would emerge that has common sense principles on daily living and dealing with people.

Not a perfect society( there has never been one) but a functioning one.

Good points TT. However, consider that a cops job in society is to essentially take out the trash, and deal with the bad element, so that folks don't have to. Most folks just want to be left alone, go to their jobs, and sleep at night without worrying about their property and family. Therefore, folks pay their taxes, to pay the police to do the job they would rather not do.

In your example, there would be extreme Darwinism. The strong would survive, the weak would die off. I agree it could be a functioning system, but a very tough world to live in for most folks.

[DoctorNiCYDEn]

There's a sucker born every minute
-PT Barnum

[DurryVony]

There's a sucker born every minute
-PT Barnum

I agree. No point in discussing the topic of this thread with one either.

[xanax-buy-online.com]

Good points TT. However, consider that a cops job in society is to essentially take out the trash, and deal with the bad element, so that folks don't have to. Most folks just want to be left alone, go to their jobs, and sleep at night without worrying about their property and family. Therefore, folks pay their taxes, to pay the police to do the job they would rather not do.

In your example, there would be extreme Darwinism. The strong would survive, the weak would die off. I agree it could be a functioning system, but a very tough world to live in for most folks.

And how is that different for any other specie on this planet?

How or why is it my responsibility to provide for a police (Policy) officer's livelihood to use his tools and judgement for my own and societies oppression?

What little good they do is far outweighed by the bad they do.

[Filmania]

Do not make the assumption that without cops there would be no security. Protection and safety are things that people want, and as Skirnir said, the market would provide it. More than likely private police firms would arise and individuals, households, businesses, etc. would pay a monthly premium, much like an insurance premium, for police protection. There would be more than one police firm, and competition between them would ensure that prices were low and services were well received. Meaning, if a cop from police firm A beats down a helpless man in the street, people would cancel their policies and move to police firm B which has a reputation for treating people with kindness. Rather than the power hungry, abusive, taser happy thugs in uniforms we have today, free market police would definitely be accountable to the people they serve.

Solid, do yourself a favor and read this book, For a new Liberty by Rothbard, especially chapter 12: Police, Law and the Courts.

http://library.mises.org/books/Murra...0Manifesto.pdf

[Coellacag]

Prior to the War of Northern Aggression/the Reconstruction Acts/the (fraudulent) 14th Amendment/incorporating the District of Columbia as a municipal corporation 'city police forces' (i.e. non-elected 'officials' aka political appointees acting as 'enforcers') were limited to only four good sized cities in the US of A. What does this tell you??

'Police forces' - a concept only collectivists love.

[xanax-buy-online.com]

Do not make the assumption that without cops there would be no security. Protection and safety are things that people want, and as Skirnir said, the market would provide it. More than likely private police firms would arise and individuals, households, businesses, etc. would pay a monthly premium, much like an insurance premium, for police protection. There would be more than one police firm, and competition between them would ensure that prices were low and services were well received. Meaning, if a cop from police firm A beats down a helpless man in the street, people would cancel their policies and move to police firm B which has a reputation for treating people with kindness. Rather than the power hungry, abusive, taser happy thugs in uniforms we have today, free market police would definitely be accountable to the people they serve.

Solid, do yourself a favor and read this book, For a new Liberty by Rothbard, especially chapter 12: Police, Law and the Courts.

http://library.mises.org/books/Murra...0Manifesto.pdf

Exactly, as has been seen, if you know or are friends with people in Internal Affairs your case of tazing someone to death can be written up as "such and such did nothing wrong". With competition to put on a good face as there will be others to take over your job if you can't do it will force dignity and respect so that you can feed yourself.

[u2ZQGC6b]

There seems to be a dominant opinion on this forum that cops are not needed, oppressing NWO pigs, and nobody here seems to think they add any value to society at all. But, rather they are hellbent to take our freedoms away.

Slowbell,
while I understand your point, please understand I believe myself to be an exception to your above general characterization/label in the post up above.

While yours truly is a nobody in the overall scheme of things, I certain have received my share of castigations on this forum topic over recent years because I DO think good men and women police officers still exist and do perform a necessary role in society.

Just don't lump me in with the constant police-bashers on GS, k? Thank you kindly, and carry on.


beefsteak

[unatkot]

Lets mention that in the Philippines there are no police that I saw in a 3 week period, no cop cars etc. There are armed private guards that are in front of most stores and eateries. There is crime in seedy areas but common sense says americano don't go there. If you go to any mall they have armed guards that look through purses and packages. Unfortunately there is no open carry or concealed carry unless you are a guard or some sort of official but as poor and 3rd world as it is unless everyone had guns it wouldn't work out so well. Almost exactly the direction the JewSA is headed.

Almost forgot to mention that armored cars pick up money and stuff and that come equipped with 7-10 heavily armed private guards. They wont let you pass close so you have to cross the street to pass.

[DurryVony]

Beefsteak, my apologies. I did not mean to lump everyone together into the same mindset. I apologize to others who may have took offense to the way I worded that part of the thread, as well.

It's been about 6 years since I went through academy. Back then, the emphasis on ethics, upholding the constitution, doing the 'right thing' was huge. The battery of tests we went through to prove that we conducted ourselves in an ethical and upstanding manner, few people would understand.

It baffles me how bigger and bigger the disconnect from the people and cops seems to be getting.

Madfranks, I'll give that a read. Thanks for the link.

[unatkot]

The cops of today are quite different than the cops of years ago. I have an acquaintance that is a cop, I would guess late 50s and he told me that the cops of today scare the shit out of him.

[rowneigerie]

Not reading all posts in this thread, just responding to post#1:

If cops would follow the rule of law and live by "Serve and Protect" the public, there would be no issues. But they don't.

Please don't make me pull up a million fucking videos of cops beating elderly women, tazing retards, sicking dogs on mothers with child, shooting handcuffed people or beating up skateboarding kids. I am so sick of this arguement I could puke.

It's totally fucking elementary:
They have turned from "Protectors" into "Oppressors". Figure it out.

[DurryVony]

Please don't make me pull up a million fucking videos of cops beating elderly women, tazing retards, sicking dogs on mothers with child, shooting handcuffed people or beating up skateboarding kids. I am so sick of this arguement I could puke.

Awoke, you could find a million videos of cops doing good things too. If you wanted. Here's a neat one, a woman loses her job and boyfriend, cop grabs her before she could commit suicide.

[jeraveike]

I never went after anyone here for being a cop ever.

I try to keep issues separate.

I see 2 main problems with the P lice, leadership from the top, covers everything really,
especially corruption, cover ups, police seem to care mostly about PR as they do bad.

The second main problem that comes from bad leadership is " us versus them " mentality,
the police are responsible for this, they don't see themselves as part of society, Police Vs Civilians, etc

All problems with the police are exacerbated with more corruption across the board, the future does not look good, ie, corrupt society, bad leadership from politicians, surveillance society, unjust wars, the Unjust Immoral State, NO FOURTH ESTATE, the MSM is complicit, police being targets of propaganda as well, too many young punk ignorant officers, no leaders, followers, too many third worlders in forces, I prefer to deal with the WASP COPS , etc

At some point it is better not to have any police.

Nothing is perfect, this is why we have oversight, but when everything is corrupt,
oversight does not work. We have seen major changes in short order, for worse,
matching the corruption across the board.

The Police in Non Western Countries are far worse, worth noting.

Edit and after thanks,
Some personal comments about police.
I have never been in trouble with the police, but I have had a lot of bad experiences.
I have seen and experienced enough personally.