[triarmarm]

Excellent synopsises Hemi........I learned alot from your breakdown of the situation.

The only mistake Grandpa made was that he should have reached for his cell phone rather then his 380 so he could have quickly contacted the professionalls to let them handle the situation.

Im starting to worry about you..........

[Roker]

The only mistake Grandpa made was that he should have reached for his cell phone rather then his 380 so he could have quickly contacted the professionalls to let them handle the situation.

Ha ha, you made me lol with that one. Usually sarcasm is not your forte.

[loginereQQ]

Florida senior citizen Samuel Williams thwarted a robbery at the Palms Internet Cafe when he managed to quietly pull his concealed gun and shot the would-be robbers. Williams, who is being hailed as a hero by Internet cafe patrons for quickly taking action when the armed robbers rushed in wearing masks and smashing computer screens, according to The Blaze. Williams was seated near the back of the cafe when Duwayne Henderson, 19, pointed a handgun at customers inside the Palms Internet Cafe. Davis Dawkins, also 19, is shown in cafe surveillance tapes swinging a bat, the Ocala News reports.

When Henderson turned his back, Samuel Williams pulled his .380-caliber semi-automatic handgun from his concealed holster, took several steps and then dropped to one knee and fired two shots at Henderson as he bolted for the door. Samuel Williams walked closer to the door of the Palms Internet Cafe and continued firing at Dawkins and Henderson. The two would-be robbers reportedly “fell over one another” trying to get away from the building.

Neither Henderson or Dawkins suffered life-threatening gunshot wounds and were later arrested by local law enforcement officers. The men were charged with attempted armed robber with a firearm and felony criminal mischief. Henderson is currently being housed at the Marion County Jail and Dawkins was released after posting bond.

“I think he is wonderful. If he wouldn’t have been there, there could have been some innocent people shot,” Palms Internet Cafe patron and shooting witness Mary Beach told the Ocala News.
Samuel Williams holds a Florida concealed carry permit and will not face any criminal charges for shooting the armed suspects at the Palms Internet Cafe, according statements made by Florida State Attorney’s Office representative Bill Gladson to the Ocala News.

Read more at http://www.inquisitr.com/278528/seni...QGLzBSfA5W1.99

WTF? They already let that sum bitch back out! And now they know the dudes name that threw down on'em.

Great breakdown of the situation Heim, HT.

[Roker]

I just showed the video to a co-worker of mine and the first thing she said was, "what was that old man doing with a gun??"

[TOPERink]

I showed it to my kids and they thought it was awesome that he put a stop to the victimization of everyone in that cafe.

[treawittelf]

I just showed the video to a co-worker of mine and the first thing she said was, "what was that old man doing with a gun??"

Wow! What an idiot!

[pirinosa]

I just showed the video to a co-worker of mine and the first thing she said was, "what was that old man doing with a gun??"

Something your @$$ couldnt appreciate unless you were there and at the mercy of those thugs........... effing nincompoop

[pirinosa]

WTF? They already let that sum bitch back out! And now they know the dudes name that threw down on'em.

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I highly doubt Mr Mac is gonna be looking for a second run in............ Dum cowards know when they caught a break

[TOPERink]

What where the robbers after in an internet cafe.......bitcoins?

Based on the fact that you can see the Bat-wielding thug also carrying a back pack, I'm sure they were there for watches and wallets, etc.

[TOPERink]

(he was also carrying without one in the chamber to begin with, another time-costing thing).

I don't know the State laws, but is it possible that he is not allowed to carry with one in the chamber?

[triarmarm]

I don't know the State laws, but is it possible that he is not allowed to carry with one in the chamber?

He was in Florida. There are no restrictions for loaded handguns here (in that sense). Some people are silly about their guns and dont like to keep a round loaded for some odd reason.

[8IhGpvH0]

Looked like he was carrying a LCP or 3AT. I always carry a round in the chamber and don't worry about it. they have a long trigger pull and that seems to be all the safety you need. Their magazine holds six rounds so it appeared he was out of ammo. I wonder if he was packing an extra magazine?

[Roker]

He was in Florida. There are no restrictions for loaded handguns here (in that sense). Some people are silly about their guns and dont like to keep a round loaded for some odd reason.

I'm one of those people. My carry guns are my glock and my LCP, neither of which has a safety (which to me is a good thing). My holster of choice is a shoulder holster, when I'm wearing a jacket, and I'm just not comfortable sweeping everyone around me with one in the chamber. Watch the video again, I don't think the old man lost any time by having to rack the slide, he did it as he was turning around.

[triarmarm]

I'm one of those people. My carry guns are my glock and my LCP, neither of which has a safety (which to me is a good thing). My holster of choice is a shoulder holster, when I'm wearing a jacket, and I'm just not comfortable sweeping everyone around me with one in the chamber. Watch the video again, I don't think the old man lost any time by having to rack the slide, he did it as he was turning around.

He had time because the bad guy wasnt focused on JUST him. Had he been alone, say in a back alley, getting out of a car, at a gas station and some guy had the drop on him.... thats a whole other thing.

I say again, its silly NOT to carry with a round chambered with modern firearms, saftey or not. Your glock in fact has multiple safties, just no external manual saftey lever. It has a firing pin block saftey and a drop saftey, which are internal and incorporated into the fucntion of the trigger group, and an external trigger depression saftey which blocks reward trigger movement from oblique angles.

Guns dont magicaly just discharge, not good, modern ones anyways. In a proper holster with proper handling, they have a practicaly 0% chance of discharge.

I have what I would consider an exceptional fast concealment draw, I practice constantly. I would NEVER feel comfortable NOT having a round chambered and having to rack the slide during my draw. When I need my gun, I NEED IT, and not .342 seconds later. When its go time, its go time and we dont get to pick when that time is.

heres a good video I like to pass around
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=syxrpLbaEuY

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On the contrary, I know a lot of hunters, and I have heard many-a-story about a gun randomly discharging with no one was handling it. Admittedly every example I can think of is a rifle, but they are centerfired in every case.

[triarmarm]

On the contrary, I know a lot of hunters, and I have heard many-a-story about a gun randomly discharging with no one was handling it. Admittedly every example I can think of is a rifle, but they are centerfired in every case.

Some rifles function a little different, especialy older ones and with the soft primers of many commercial hunting rounds, theres a higher chance of an AD.


HOWEVER, in MOST of those cases, I would bet hard money that some dude was fucking around with the gun and it discharged, then later said "I dunno, Bob, the thing just went off."

Can it happen? Absolutley. Is it likley or common? No. Is it worth being scared of in a modern pistol to NOT have a round chambered when you NEEEEED it? Fuck no!

[Worseacar]

On the contrary, I know a lot of hunters, and I have heard many-a-story about a gun randomly discharging with no one was handling it. Admittedly every example I can think of is a rifle, but they are centerfired in every case.

Those likely could be lever action rifles with the hammer not in the half cocked position. If the hammer is all the way down, such as on my lever action rifle, the hammer could be accidentally hit causing it to strike any chambered round.

[barsikjal]

HOWEVER, in MOST of those cases, I would bet hard money that some dude was fucking around with the gun and it discharged, then later said "I dunno, Bob, the thing just went off."

Thats exactly what I was thinking. Besides, if a round can magically go off in the chamber, what's to keep it from going off in the magazine with potentially much worse results?

[JAMES PIETERSE]

Some rifles function a little different, especialy older ones and with the soft primers of many commercial hunting rounds, theres a higher chance of an AD.


HOWEVER, in MOST of those cases, I would bet hard money that some dude was fucking around with the gun and it discharged, then later said "I dunno, Bob, the thing just went off."

Can it happen? Absolutley. Is it likley or common? No. Is it worth being scared of in a modern pistol to NOT have a round chambered when you NEEEEED it? Fuck no!

Heimdal, I have never, ever in my entire life heard of a gun discharging by it's damn self much less several different stories of it occuring. How could it happen, a house fire, put it in the oven, lean against the wood heater? I have been around guns my entire life and if you don't touch it, it don't go off...I'm curious why you would say a weapon COULD discharge while it's not being handled. I also carry with one in the pipe cause if I keep my finger off the trigger it will NOT go bang...

BTW, I think you give great advice on carrying and situational advice as well. Thanks and keep it up.