[Rabbahpuptiopp]

i don't know what to say.

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http://forward.com/articles/158658/h...for-survivors/

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A beauty pageant for Holocaust survivors was held in Haifa, Israel, and featured female survivors walking down a red carpet and sharing details of their travails during World War II.Fourteen women, aged 74 to 97, participated according to news reports. Romanian native Hava Hershkovitz, 79, was crowned the winner.

Organizers called the event a celebration of life, but critics denounced it as trivializing the horrors of the Holocaust.
Shimon Sabag, who organized the event, said the 14 finalists had been chosen from hundreds of applicants based on their personal stories and later roles in their communities in Israel, according to the British Broadcasting Corporation.
“It’s not easy at this age to be in a beauty contest,” the silver-haired Hershkovitz said, according to the Associated Press. “But we’re all doing it to show that we’re still alive.”
Collete Avital, chairwoman of the umbrella group the Center of Organizations of Holocaust Survivors in Israel, said “”It sounds totally macabre to me,” according to the AP. “I am in favor of enriching lives, but a one-time pageant masquerading [survivors] with beautiful clothes is not what is going to make their lives more meaningful.”


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[Senasivar]

LOL. they should have a segment on 'Most compelling gas chamber escape fable'

BTW your link(s) to the story have those tracking numbers tagged onto the end, beginning with the # sign- I always remove those b4 posting URLs which place them there.

[MilenaMKB]

LOL. they should have a segment on 'Most compelling gas chamber escape fable'

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[mbaueee]

This is great!

I have found a crown for the winner to wear......Take your pick:

[ariniaxia]

there some great videos about the Holohoax available through

http://www.zioncrimefactory.com/

also
http://www.holocaustdenialvideos.com/


i don't like the name Holocaust Denial.

the Holo-hoax'ers fvcked up their Official Conspiracy Theory completely.

the original Hoax had an Auschwitz death toll of 4 Million. it is inconvenient when the museum curator goes on record and says that 1.1 Million died there.

there were 3.5 million Jews in occupied Europe at the beginning of WW2, and they were migrating to America at the rate of 3000 a day (1 Million a year) and to Palestine at the rate of 300 a day (100,000 per year).

if we say that that migration continued for a year, and then stopped, that leaves 2.4 million Jews max for Hitler to allegedly terrorize.


once these massive holes in the official Holohoax theory became apparent, the burden of proof fell upon those spinning the Fable to prove that anybody died in German internment camps, other than those killed by typhoid & malnutrition.

the best estimate of Jewish casualties that i've seen is 200,000, based partially on Census records, in Walter Sanning's book on the subject.


the various Holohoax museum curators admit that the Zyklon B and the gas chambers were originally for killing lice in the clothing of internees.


one of the videos in the database shows interviews with camp survivors. part of a huge database of interviews at the USC Shoah video project.

they describe enough of the camp to make it sound like Summer Camp - soccer games and tournaments, German-provided resources for theatrical productions (plays), movie nights, and, a swimming pool.

[Adimos]

folks,
there are many of us who are not jewish that we know of, who believe this terrible attrocity not only occurred, but were absolutely unfathomable actions in the scope of tragedy and inhumanity to fellow human beings.

Add to that FACT, not just Jews were caught up in the tragic herding of humanity to deathcamps, but many who harbored their jewish neighbors, friends, even extended family were also slaughtered.
Said non-jews who lost their lives also have living family and bear witness to the reality of this horror. Don't hear many making a big deal about their losses while the disbelievers are also dancing on their graves.

Derisive and dismissive mirth about this dark chapter is not right!

It continues to sadden me to see such mirth at the expense of any genocidal behavior discussion. Remember, when "they come for you" there quite possibly will not be anyone left to speak up for your right to exist.


beefsteak

[MilenaMKB]

8,000,000 European Jews survived the Holocaust


From an interview Norman Finkelstein gave in 2000:

"The official number of Holocaust survivors the Israeli government now gives is a million. Or 960,000, to be exact. At the same time Jewish organizations have been claiming, since the early '90s, that 10,000 die each month. So that would mean that in 1990 there were 2 million survivors left. In 1990, not more that a quarter could be alive from World War II. That means 8 million in May 1945. Well, there were fewer than 8 million Jews in all of Nazi-occupied Europe. In other words, if these numbers are correct, the Holocaust didn't happen. As my mother used to say, if everyone who claims to be a Holocaust survivor actually is one, who did Hitler kill?"

[Adimos]

Mamboni,
as a primarily vocal hitler apologist, I respectfully seek to learn as to whether you are a member of any ethnic minority and have suffered any slings and arrows--or worse--from being so identified and attacked in the past or currently?


beefsteak

[MilenaMKB]

Mamboni,
as a primarily vocal hitler apologist, I respectfully seek to learn as to whether you are a member of any ethnic minority and have suffered any slings and arrows--or worse--from being so identified and attacked in the past or currently?


beefsteak

No, I am an American , born and raised in the USA. However, I have been victimized by self-said "minorities" seeking to extract monies and guilt from me by telling amazing stories of personal suffering and persecution, stories utterly implausable, and demanding total credence on my part whilst offering not a whit of evidence or proof. I do not suffer such fakirs and opportunists kindly.

Elie Wiesel has be shown to be a fraud - he was never a prisoner of the Nazis. He has spent his entire adult life lying about this and bilking monies from his victims. So he is a fraud, con-artist and he has heaped disrespect and insult onto the sacred victims of the supposed Holocaust. Where is your outrage towards Elie Wiesel? You call me to task for merely discussing the Holocaust in less than reverent terms yet you have nothing to say about Elie Wiesel?

Speak to this matter directly and forthwit or shut your self-righteous piehole.

[MilenaMKB]

folks,
there are many of us who are not jewish that we know of, who believe this terrible attrocity not only occurred, but were absolutely unfathomable actions in the scope of tragedy and inhumanity to fellow human beings.

Add to that FACT, not just Jews were caught up in the tragic herding of humanity to deathcamps, but many who harbored their jewish neighbors, friends, even extended family were also slaughtered.
Said non-jews who lost their lives also have living family and bear witness to the reality of this horror. Don't hear many making a big deal about their losses while dancing on their graves.

Derisive and dismissive mirth about this dark chapter is not right!

It continues to sadden me to see such mirth at the expense of any genocidal behavior discussion. Remember, when "they come for you" there quite possibly will not be anyone left to speak up for your right to exist.


beefsteak

You're so full of shit it's coming out of your ears. Take your strawman and shove it. BTW, I have never met or heard of a single non-Jew claiming to have survived the socalled death camps and telling or corroborating the tall tails told by the supposed Jewish survivors.

[Adimos]

I'm not acquainted with the person to whom you refer, mamboni. Never read anything about this wiesel person.

I would abhor anyone who pretended to be one thing when they are infact, something else. It's happened to Americans by pretend americans, jews by pretend jews, military veterans by pretend military veterans, and Real Doctors such as yourself, and pretend doctors who aspire to your field and yet spent not one scintilla of time nor expense in going the legit route to become an M.D. I spare the pretenders no wrath, regardless of genre or field of fakery.

Doesn't mean I don't believe there are real American, real jews, and real veterans, and real M.D.'s. And real holocaust survivors, both Jewish and non-jewish.

How disagreeing with you publicly makes me a self-righteous piehole is beyond my comprehension. As a fellow American, I also exercise the right to disagree with you publicly or privately.

[MilenaMKB]

I'm not acquainted with the person to whom you refer, mamboni. Never read anything about this wiesel person.

I would abhor anyone who pretended to be one thing when they are infact, something else. It's happened to Americans by pretend americans, jews by pretend jews, military veterans by pretend military veterans, and Real Doctors such as yourself, and pretend doctors who aspire to your field and yet spent not one scintilla of time nor expense in going the legit route to become an M.D. I spare the pretenders no wrath, regardless of genre or field of fakery.

Doesn't mean I don't believe there are real American, real jews, and real veterans, and real M.D.'s. And real holocaust survivors, both Jewish and non-jewish.

How disagreeing with you publicly makes me a self-righteous piehole is beyond my comprehension. As a fellow American, I also exercise the right to disagree with you publicly or privately.

You have never heard of Elie Wiesel?

I am stupified.

[antiggill]

Derisive and dismissive mirth about this dark chapter is not right!

This is in reference to the idiots staging this abject and absurd 'beauty contest', right?

[SeelaypeKet]

You're so full of shit it's coming out of your ears. Take your strawman and shove it....

3 days.

It's not the content, good Doctor, it's the delivery.

[Adimos]

This is in reference to the idiots staging this abject and absurd 'beauty contest', right?

PB,
obviously the definition of beauty is truly in the eye of the beholder. Any woman who survived that unspeakable horror can wear whatever she wants, and parade anywhere she is invited to appear. No skin off my nose.

If I were an in situ observer, I would find it difficult to observe this parade, but not because of lack of beauty on the part of the women in the parade. Quite the contrary. I find courageous survivors beautiful in their own right. Old, young, or in between.


beefsteak

[SeelaypeKet]

beefsteak,

If you don't mind me asking, why are you so convinced the holocaust actually DID occur as described? Also, which figure (if any) of the several conflicting numbers of Jewish dead do you think is the most accurate, and why?

[antiggill]

PB,
obviously the definition of beauty is truly in the eye of the beholder. Any woman who survived that unspeakable horror can wear whatever she wants, and parade anywhere she is invited to appear. No skin off my nose.

If I were an in situ observer, I would find it difficult to observe this parade, but not because of lack of beauty on the part of the women in the parade. Quite the contrary. I find courageous survivors beautiful in their own right. Old, young, or in between.


beefsteak

I look askance at this inappropriate, crass and tasteless display. It has nothing to do with 'looks' whatsoever...

[antiggill]

3 days.

It's not the content, good Doctor, it's the delivery.

I protest.

[SeelaypeKet]

I protest.

You and everyone else these days.

Fuck this job!

[Adimos]

Gaillo,
I have sat in the presence of survivor, Corrie Ten Boom as I stated earlier in another thread on this topic.

How does one explain to someone who "wasn't in attendance" the time when I was first introduced to Corrie what the "resonance of truth" from her lips and without guile does and did inside me, the listener? That unforgetable resonance has been subsequently supported by years and years of tremendous scrutiny and investigating by others in a places of power, to debunk her or trip her up on the details as to whether or not she spoke the truth.

In over 20 years after that introduction, to the best of my knowledge, NOTHING and NO ONE shook her witness nor contradicted her spoken word. I must go with what I personally know and have personally experienced. Corrie did not pass away until 1983. She was born in 1892.

It's that simple, Gaillo.

I do not have a deceased figure, sorry. I would have to defer to bean counters. And I frankly do not recall any longer the number Corrie believed to have died in the camps. She found utility in the eyes of her Nazi captors and due to that, her life was spared when she was "processed" into Ravensbruch, a detail she was not proud of and she did not gloss over in her subsequent autobiography, The Hiding Place.

A very gracious and believable survivor, may she rest in eternal peace.

Appreciate your tone in your inquiry, Gaillo. Thank you for treating my contrary sincerely held belief with respect.


beefsteak