[doolarsva]

beefsteak,

If you don't mind me asking, why are you so convinced the holocaust actually DID occur as described? Also, which figure (if any) of the several conflicting numbers of Jewish dead do you think is the most accurate, and why?

Good luck getting him to show the "math" because they know it just doesn't make sense. Instead, all they can do is appeal to the "sob story" side of things with maybe some pictures of some dead bodies thrown in for good measure, but do the "math" Nope, the numbers just don't add up. They can't allow people to apply logic. That's why they've managed to get laws in place around the world to make it a crime to even "question" the math because they know it'll never add up and the more time goes on the more preposterous their claims become.

[antiggill]

You and everyone else these days.

Fuck this job!

I am sorry, sweetpea. Please don't be discouraged..

[SeelaypeKet]

I am sorry, sweetpea. Please don't be discouraged..

There hasn't yet been a group of antagonistic forum members born who can "discourage" me!

Still... fuck this job. Anyone who actually WANTS a position like this isn't right in the head.

[antiggill]

There hasn't yet been a group of antagonistic forum members born who can "discourage" me!

Still... fuck this job. Anyone who actually WANTS a position like this isn't right in the head.

Then maybe you ain't right in the head after all..

There's an an old Elizabeth Taylor saying that sorta may apply here--'pour yourself a drink, put some lipstick on and pull yourself together'.. I'll amend it for you though--have a beer, roll a fatty and take a break...Cheers!

[horoshevapola]

Good luck getting him to show the "math" because they know it just doesn't make sense. Instead, all they can do is appeal to the "sob story" side of things with maybe some pictures of some dead bodies thrown in for good measure, but do the "math" Nope, the numbers just don't add up. They can't allow people to apply logic. That's why they've managed to get laws in place around the world to make it a crime to even "question" the math because they know it'll never add up and the more time goes on the more preposterous their claims become.

Einstein doing "the math" upon hearing that they revised the total at Auschwitz

[SeelaypeKet]

Then maybe you ain't right in the head after all..

Of THAT, there can be no question... although not for the reason cited. I never asked for or wanted this position, it was offered to me in the context of helping the forum I loved. I just didn't have the good sense at the time to turn it down!

[we0MA4MI]

Einstein doing "the math" upon hearing that they revised the total at Auschwitz

6,000,000 x 9/11 = all the gold in Fort Knox.

[SeelaypeKet]

6,000,000 x 9/11 = all the gold in Fort Knox. All the slave labor on the planet

Fixed that for you.


Our rulers don't want gold... that's just a thing, a means to an end. They want ALL the minds and bodies on the planet bowing down to them and doing their bidding... or dead. I'm pretty sure I know WHY too... it's not because they are "pencil necked control freaks" like AJ rants about. They want medical immortality, and to achieve it they need TOTAL control of the world's resources and scientific minds.

[SeelaypeKet]

Gaillo,
I have sat in the presence of survivor, Corrie Ten Boom as I stated earlier in another thread on this topic.

How does one explain to someone who "wasn't in attendance" the time when I was first introduced to Corrie what the "resonance of truth" from her lips and without guile does and did inside me, the listener? That unforgetable resonance has been subsequently supported by years and years of tremendous scrutiny and investigating by others in a places of power, to debunk her or trip her up on the details as to whether or not she spoke the truth.

In over 20 years after that introduction, to the best of my knowledge, NOTHING and NO ONE shook her witness nor contradicted her spoken word. I must go with what I personally know and have personally experienced. Corrie did not pass away until 1983. She was born in 1892.

It's that simple, Gaillo.

I do not have a deceased figure, sorry. I would have to defer to bean counters. And I frankly do not recall any longer the number Corrie believed to have died in the camps. She found utility in the eyes of her Nazi captors and due to that, her life was spared when she was "processed" into Ravensbruch, a detail she was not proud of and she did not gloss over in her subsequent autobiography, The Hiding Place.

A very gracious and believable survivor, may she rest in eternal peace.

Appreciate your tone in your inquiry, Gaillo. Thank you for treating my contrary sincerely held belief with respect.


beefsteak

Thank you for the polite and gentlemanly response.

OK... so if I'm reading this right, your ENTIRE basis for believing in what is arguably THE most important (in terms of the after-effects on the populations) historical event of the 20th century boils down to the anecdotal account of ONE survivor?

Just want to be certain I have this right...

[we0MA4MI]

Fixed that for you.


Our rulers don't want gold... that's just a thing, a means to an end. They want ALL the minds and bodies on the planet bowing down to them and doing their bidding... or dead. I'm pretty sure I know WHY too... it's not because they are "pencil necked control freaks" like AJ rants about. They want medical immortality, and to achieve it they need TOTAL control of the world's resources and scientific minds.

Wow! I totally agree with that assessment.

[paratayoma]

Not only that, but the Zionist jews wanted & want acting & hairstyle rights above all other non-zionist jews.

[Rabbahpuptiopp]

go to germany, poland, etc. and visit multiple "death camps." stand in front of the ovens and look at them. actually do it. don't look on the internet at pictures, read books, etc. get yourself a plane ticket.

i have. twice.

then get back to me on how the official holocaust story is "all true."

[doolarsva]

go to germany, poland, etc. and visit multiple "death camps." stand in front of the ovens and look at them. actually do it. don't look on the internet at pictures, read books, etc. get yourself a plane ticket.

i have. twice.

then get back to me on how the official holocaust story is "all true."

That's another interesting point because Morticians have pretty much debunked the idea that any significant amount of people could have been efficiently disposed of in the camp crematoriums. They just didn't have the capacity or the operating efficiency to deal with anywhere close to the numbers thrown out there and that's even assuming unlimited fuel resources and 24/7 operation. Once again, "math" and "logic" fail to explain the official story.

[ariniaxia]

forcing children to contemplate a grisly massacre that never occurred ?

showing them pictures of dead bodies, forcing them to imagine the death of 6 million such bodies.

telling them stories about human skin lampshades.


Holohoax Propaganda in the US School System = Child Abuse.

politically correct child abuse, but child abuse nonetheless.

[paratayoma]

I have never met or heard of a single non-Jew claiming to have survived the socalled death camps and telling or corroborating the tall tails told by the supposed Jewish survivors.

We are all non-jewish/jewish survivors & "Miss Holocausts" of recent Holocausts upon this & other threads.

http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthre...ster-than-cold

[Senasivar]

beefsteak, it's only been a few years that I came around to the fraudulence of the Official Holocaust Narrative. Prior to that I was victim of the lifetime of "Holocaust" propaganda immersion, as you appear to be today. Now I claim the label, "Holohoax Survivor" (ref midnight rambler's reply 34 above). You have to study the work of the revisionists, who have been so persecuted & attempted-silenced, that the more likely truth of the OHN comes into focus.

From French revisionist Robert Faurison:
At the Nuremberg trial (1945-1946), a tribunal of the victors accused a defeated Germany notably

1) of having ordered and planned the physical extermination of the Jews of Europe;


2) of having, to that end, designed and used certain weapons of mass destruction, in particular those that it called “gas chambers”;


3) of having, essentially with those weapons but also through other means, caused the death of six million Jews.

In support of that threefold accusation, regularly taken up over the past sixty years by all the main communications media in the West, no proof capable of standing up to examination has been produced. Professor Robert Faurisson concluded in 1980:

“The alleged Hitlerite gas chambers and the alleged genocide of the Jews form one and the same historical lie, which has permitted a gigantic political and financial swindle whose main beneficiaries are the State of Israel and international Zionism and whose main victims are the German people – but not their leaders – and the Palestinian people in their entirety.”

In 2006 he maintains that conclusion in full. In nearly sixty years the revisionists, beginning with the Frenchmen Maurice Bardèche and Paul Rassinier, have accumulated, from the historical and scientific point of view, an impressive series of victories over their opponents. Twenty examples of such victories, running from 1951 to today, are given here.

more:
ROBERT FAURISSON: The Victories of Revisionism

ROBERT FAURISSON: The Victories of Revisionism (continued)
free book collection:
http://vho.org/dl/ENG.html

It's most helpful when the awful truth of 9/11 comes into focus beyond a reasonable doubt,
Thread: The "Israel did 9/11" Thread

...that lays the groundwork for the fact that Int'l organized Jewry does orchestrate these uber-hoaxes... also see
Thread: Introduction to the Holocaust™ Hoax

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y3c0PnRBZJk






"Truth does not fear investigation, Big Lies do!"

[Senasivar]

forcing children to contemplate a grisly massacre that never occurred ?

showing them pictures of dead bodies, forcing them to imagine the death of 6 million such bodies.

telling them stories about human skin lampshades.


Holohoax Propaganda in the US School System = Child Abuse.

politically correct child abuse, but child abuse nonetheless.

They're still doing it today of course, WRT the Big Lie of the 21st Century,

Thread: C.E.L.L. - Denver’s Trauma-Based Mind Kontrol "Terror Museum"

[hHwJ229h]

Ravensbrück was not a supposed death camp, so I can't see how Corrie Ten Boon's testimony could have convinced you that such an entity existed Beefsteak...

[Adimos]

Gaillo,
You're welcome.

I believed you were asking for my starting point, aka the index case study if you please, when I became convinced of the reality of the Holocaust. I re-read your request and see that you didn't ask for my personal aegis. I own that my initial my perception of your question went through that personal filter.

I'm not trying to convince anyone of anything against their best truth filters. I'm simply and unshakeably stating what truth I believe about the Holocaust when I first came to believe this horrid historical event took place. Yes, with much loss of life, both jewish and non-jewish such as experienced by imprisoned Corrie Ten Boom, and her sister Betsie, and the rest of her non-jewish, Dutch family. And I credit the paradigm shift from curiousity about the Holocaust to absolutely convinced to the prior personal introduction to Corrie Ten Boom.

Since the day I became convinced of the reality of the Holocaust, I've found truth resonating in other affected jews and non-jews alike and their accounts, both in visual media and in written accounts. I've not been found in the seats of the scornful nor the skeptics since Corrie Ten Boom.

Neuro,
I don't rank concentration/death camps against each other. They were all part of the same death dealing roundup called the Holocaust. Many many jews and non-jews died while imprisoned in Ravensbruch. If I understand your rejoinder correctly, those who died at Ravensbruch don't count in the historical Holocaust narrative?

Now that is a head scratcher on my side of this screen.


beefsteak