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AlbrtJhnsqw 10-28-2011 01:38 AM

Peter Shiff at OWS: "Walmart Doesn't Hold a Gun to Your Head!"
 
Forgive me if this is a duplicate. I didn't see it here yet.

I just received this email from Schiff through EuroPac:

A week ago today, I spent the afternoon visiting the Occupy Wall Street demonstrations in lower Manhattan. I brought a film crew and a sign that said "I Am The 1%, Let's Talk." The purpose was to understand what was motivating these protesters and try to educate them about what caused the financial crisis. I went down there with the feeling that much of their anger was justified, but broadly misdirected.

Indeed, there were plenty of heated discussions. I was called an idiot, a fool, a slave-driver, and a selfish person. But when we started talking about the issues, it seems like the protesters fell into two categories: those who generally understood and agreed that Washington caused this mess, and those who could only recite Democrat/union/Marxist talking points. It was the latter that usually resorted to calling names once I pointed out the hypocrisy of their positions. Usually, their argument boils down to, "the rich should be taxed until everyone is equal" or "the banks have taken over the regulatory agencies, so we need more regulations!"


I think some of the leadership of Occupy Wall Street comes from this kind of radical Marxist background, and perhaps they're smart to intentionally keep quiet about their goals. Because the vast majority of protesters I met did believe in capitalism - they're just tired of being screwed over by crony capitalism. Noted school-choice activist Michael Strong calls it "crapitalism," and that's what it is. It's a rotten deal for everyone, and they know it.

The problem is that many of these people are under the mistaken impression that Wall Street banks are to blame. That's like blaming the dogs for getting into the trash can. Sure, it's bad behavior, but the ultimate responsibility lies with the authority figures - in this case, Washington. After all, it's not the New York metro area that has benefitted the most from this crisis. Rather, the counties around DC are now ranking as the wealthiest in the country. And while wealthy New Yorkers have historically made their living providing essential financial services to the global economy, Washington has always made its living one way: at your expense.

Matajic 10-28-2011 02:04 AM

That 1% woman just escaped from a mental hospital.

jenilopaz 10-28-2011 02:08 AM

The banks own the government, so how can government be the ultimate cause of all this?

Cxcvvfbgtr 10-28-2011 02:31 AM

schiff is a 9/11 denier, old clip of him at a town hall (new hampshire?), and he makes fun of them all, and says "I have looked into 9/11 carefully, and the official story is true. some people think I am in on it, because I am jewish and deny 9/11 truth."

if he is that smart, why take the cheap shot, just duck it "
I have not really lookied into 9/11 at all...."

texbrease 10-28-2011 02:44 AM

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Because your gov chose to auction itself off to the highest bidder.


Not too many people alive today that were around when that happened, Joe.

What many people don't understand is that the government is not in charge of the banks, and for all intents and purposes, never has been.

So again, why blame the government? It's not like they can change the rules or anything.

9TWSg835 10-28-2011 02:49 AM

I'm not gonna spend time watching that video.....but about the whole argument of "well don't shop there" or "work harder to get a job" - its a deception. As the video Money as Debt clearly shows, there isn't enough money in existence to pay back all of the debt owed in various forms. So you will always have the weakest segment of society that can't take care of themselves in this model. The solution isn't to tell that weakest part of society to try harder and be more competitive because then another group will be the new weakest group.

On an individual scale, yes, all you have to do is out-run your competitor to be ok. With enough work, you can do it. But do we really want to have life be about which slave can work harder than the rest? Its a ridiculous game. So all these people constantly saying, don't buy at walmart, work harder, be more dedicated, sacrifice more - ironically they are the ones supporting the entire system by mindlessly outworking the majority of others.

So these types of clips really bother me. On the one side you've got young people who instinctively don't want to be slaves all their lives, and on the other side you've got the self-deceived intellectuals who are usually full of themselves and defend the system because they identify with their own self importance brought on by amassing knowledge.

AlistDakisa 10-28-2011 03:08 AM

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Oh fucking bullshit.

Schiff is a financial politician. He wants folks to wake up, to what our gov's done. His battle is not conspiracies, 9/11, etc, which is why he won't go there. He knows that would discredit him.

He's the main guy that woke me up, to precious metals. I bought gold at $800, and silver at $10, damn glad I did. Schiff is doing his part.

Book, you are so blinded by hate, you fail to see folks who take action, to better the world. You just see a religion, or a race.

That, my friend, is one big ******* disgrace. Imo.
Peter's father, Irwin Schiff is in jail now for trying to wake people up the the IRS and Federal Reserve system. He was a tax protestor and tried to encourage others to tax protest. Their ancestors (the Schiffs) were definitely capos for the Rothschilds, but I honestly believe they are good people now trying to do the right thing within the system. If these people were the bad guys then Irwin wouldn't have risked, and lost his freedom (gone to jail) to try to inform and educate the American people.

unioneserry 10-28-2011 03:16 AM

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I'm not gonna spend time watching that video.....but about the whole argument of "well don't shop there" or "work harder to get a job" - its a deception. As the video Money as Debt clearly shows, there isn't enough money in existence to pay back all of the debt owed in various forms. So you will always have the weakest segment of society that can't take care of themselves in this model. The solution isn't to tell that weakest part of society to try harder and be more competitive because then another group will be the new weakest group.

On an individual scale, yes, all you have to do is out-run your competitor to be ok. With enough work, you can do it. But do we really want to have life be about which slave can work harder than the rest? Its a ridiculous game. So all these people constantly saying, don't buy at walmart, work harder, be more dedicated, sacrifice more - ironically they are the ones supporting the entire system by mindlessly outworking the majority of others.

So these types of clips really bother me. On the one side you've got young people who instinctively don't want to be slaves all their lives, and on the other side you've got the self-deceived intellectuals who are usually full of themselves and defend the system because they identify with their own self importance brought on by amassing knowledge.
Yeah, unfortunately watching this video, he's talking about "true capitalism" as the solution, and lack of it as the problem. Unless the fundamental problem with money creation is addressed, any talk of "isms" is totally pointless.

I would much rather live in under a socialist society with an honest money system than a pure capitalist society under a debt based monetary system. I always find these impassioned people talking about capitalism vs socialism to be just pawns or tools designed to clash. I've never ever heard any popular movement talk about the monetary system.

Buhoutsoupfap 10-28-2011 03:57 AM

do a google search on Alex jones and peter schiff, lots of interviews over the years. (saw it going back to 2008), and yet peter is so uninformed, that he goes on the radio/tv with the worlds biggest 9/11 truth activist (alex jones), and claims to "know nothing" about it for years on end.

Kind of like going on Christian Broadcast Radio, and not realizing Pat Robertson is a preacher

Same with Ron Paul, he has been on AJ's show lots of times, yet RP will always duck 9/11 "to controversial" is as close as he will come, and that was on the campaign trail, and he was caught off guard

if you are not kosher approved, you do not get on.

Jeff rense is an exception

Daryl Bradford Smith also

John Kaminski

Chris Bollyn

etc

"its a conspiracy of silence Peter"

and you are part of that.

Weislenalkata 10-28-2011 04:13 AM

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The banks own the government, so how can government be the ultimate cause of all this?
The Banks aren't going to fix it either.

All's the Gov. needs to do is sign away the Federal Reserve, and they've got their power to print interest free back.

Schiff will not recommend that.

gedsiz 10-28-2011 07:07 AM

What do you think of this?

Matajic 10-28-2011 07:12 AM

Schiff doesn't have the time to research 9/11 conspiracy websites on the internet. And even if he did, he was running at one point so why would he come out and jump into that argument to reduce his credibility?

He's striking at the root of the problem, and educating a lot of people to protect, and better themselves against the onslaught.

If you want to really find out where he is on the Zionist scale at look at his stance on the wars. He's anti war.

That's really all there is to it.

Which is why Ponce has a very valid point that not all Jews are Zionists, and broad stroking is flat out racism.

If anyone knows Ry @ anti-neocons, and how much he's done to educate on matters, he actively bans people on a regular basis for Jews v.s. Zionists comments.

Cxcvvfbgtr 10-28-2011 07:33 AM

all the major wars benefit Israel (ww1, WW2, and the current fiascoes)

how many jews support and Love Israel?

he is not talking about 9/11 because the truth hurts Israel.....

and if he did tell people, then they would look at the media ownership (who is hiding these whopper lies, etc)

its all a big tangled web.

and technically Ponce is correct, but from my own observations, 90% of all jews love Israel over their homeland that they reside in.

look at 9/11 for gods sake, how do you get that level of support, and complicity....?

Matajic 10-28-2011 07:48 AM

Being aware is the same for any group of people.

Lots love Israel, but have no idea about politics, 9/11, or foreign policy. They read little to nothing about it and get educated on matters in front of a TV.

Same with the majority of Americans, Canadians, etc... Love their country/identity but know little to nothing about politics, economics, or foreign policy.

Cxcvvfbgtr 10-28-2011 08:36 AM

he was on alex bullhorn jones....

how can he not be aware of 9/11?

if I go on pat robertsons program, do you think he is going to mention god?

look, i try and give folks the benefit of the doubt also.

I have my issues with jim sinclair also

some of these influential folks, with lots of investing ears listening, could tell people "buy physical silver", and the game is over.

but instead of investing in $40 billion dollar silver market

Schiff, Sinclair and others tell them to invest in a $4.9 trillion dollar gold market, similar to a flea on a whale....

h98hhYxM 10-28-2011 10:37 AM

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The banks own the government, so how can government be the ultimate cause of all this?
and if I was down I would have asked schiff .........and who owns he banks?

The Chinese
The Italians
The Jews
The irish


And I would watch his hooked nose quickly turn back to that 1% lady and pound on her some more and ignore my relevant question entirely

drmarshallusa 10-28-2011 12:32 PM

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Peter's father, Irwin Schiff is in jail now for trying to wake people up the the IRS and Federal Reserve system. He was a tax protestor and tried to encourage others to tax protest. Their ancestors (the Schiffs) were definitely capos for the Rothschilds, but I honestly believe they are good people now trying to do the right thing within the system. If these people were the bad guys then Irwin wouldn't have risked, and lost his freedom (gone to jail) to try to inform and educate the American people.
Is he in jail, have you seen him there? Or are you reporting what the Jewsmedia tells us?
Schiff provided an object lesson in what happens when you don't pay your taxes. Now all you little goyim please pay up or go to jail.

AlbrtJhnsqw 10-28-2011 12:38 PM

Well, I invest in Schiff's firm and have done very well. I believe he understands economics better than anyone.

And he doesn't only recommend gold. He also recommends silver and foreign investments and the key there is getting out of the dollar.

h98hhYxM 10-28-2011 12:43 PM

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Well, I invest in Schiff's firm and have done very well. I believe he understands economics better than anyone.

And he doesn't only recommend gold. He also recommends silver and foreign investments and the key there is getting out of the dollar.
is shciff stilll spewing that claptrap that his client should own a basket of currencies?

Saispapedlimi 10-28-2011 12:50 PM

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Oh fucking bullshit.

Schiff is a financial politician. He wants folks to wake up, to what our gov's done. His battle is not conspiracies, 9/11, etc, which is why he won't go there. He knows that would discredit him.
But he does go there, and he tows the gubbermint line. Book is right.


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