[KJnbceja]

Arizona does some pretty crazy things but I find myself pretty on-board with this.

Now the state of Arizona is proposing a radical idea. It wants to impose a $50 annual fine for overweight Medicaid recipients who don't follow a strict health regime developed with their doctor. Those with children, and people overweight due to a medical condition, would be exempt. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-13397306

Edit: Damn mistype on the title.

[carline]

The question is, where do you stop? There's a million things that people have that could make them at risk for health problems or injuries- do people sign over all rights to freedom as soon as they accept federal assistance?

[avodeinst]

Fascism is such a great idea.

This kind of thing starts happening and sooner or later the govt will be in everyone business even more than they already are.

[rouletteroulette]

The question is, where do you stop? There's a million things that people have that could make them at risk for health problems or injuries- do people sign over all rights to freedom as soon as they accept federal assistance?

No, they don't sign over everything. They should have to meet some requirements though. They are getting something from the government, it's not unreasonable for the government to expect the people taking advantage of this service to do something in exchange. I think they should expand on this and say for people welfare can only have X amount of kids and should be tested for drugs. Why should the american people pay for fat tammy who has 6 kids, and who is also high on the weekends? You shouldn't get government assistance to help out with your kids (to many i might add) and then also get high.

[carline]

No, they don't sign over everything. They should have to meet some requirements though. They are getting something from the government, it's not unreasonable for the government to expect the people taking advantage of this service to do something in exchange. I think they should expand on this and say for people welfare can only have X amount of kids and should be tested for drugs. Why should the american people pay for fat tammy who has 6 kids, and who is also high on the weekends? You shouldn't get government assistance to help out with your kids (to many i might add) and then also get high.

But again, where do you stop? This sort of legislation is the definition of a slippery slope. And what do you do with "fat tammy's" kids if she doesn't meet the requirements?

Entitlements are a frustrating but necessary part of a civilized society. The answers have to be realistic even if they're unpopular.

[bUqLfXRI]

And what do you do with "fat tammy's" kids if she doesn't meet the requirements?

Punch her in the stomach to make sure she can't have any more. If that risks losing my hand or creating another earthquake then take a sledgehammer.

[avodeinst]

Punch her in the stomach to make sure she can't have any more. If that risks losing my hand or creating another earthquake then take a sledgehammer.

Sounds more like someone should punch you so you stop saying dumb things.

[bUqLfXRI]

Sounds more like someone should punch you so you stop saying dumb things.

Why so serious?

[nizcreare]

Why so serious?

I wonder if "in rural America" could be seen as a euphemism for Arizona....

[h98hhYxM]

You have to some how design the system to ween people off the system and be self-sufficient. I don't know how you accomplish this.

[Eagevawax]

I can see the good and the bad in this, although i see more good atm

[rouletteroulette]

But again, where do you stop? This sort of legislation is the definition of a slippery slope. And what do you do with "fat tammy's" kids if she doesn't meet the requirements?

Entitlements are a frustrating but necessary part of a civilized society. The answers have to be realistic even if they're unpopular.

Is it really that unreasonable to expect people expecting/demanding government handouts to do things in return? Want to know what to do with her kids? You call in child welfare. That's what they are there for. If fat tammy isn't able to take care of her kids financially w/out government assistance, added onto the fact that she is getting high on the weekends, her kids would be better off with another family then with her.

[SonicPs]

The question is, where do you stop? There's a million things that people have that could make them at risk for health problems or injuries- do people sign over all rights to freedom as soon as they accept federal assistance?

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Ride a motorcycle? Fined.
Going swimming? Fined.
Drink alcohol? Fined.
Speeding? Double fined!

[SonicPs]

Fascism is such a great idea.

This kind of thing starts happening and sooner or later the govt will be in everyone business even more than they already are.

Yes. That is correct, sir.

Too many brain washed victims that were taught they cannot survive without someone taking care of them.

This Arizona example is even more proof to me that the leftists are legislating under the disguise of the right. Be careful of your politics, young sir. You cannot believe anything THEY tell you.

[avodeinst]

I wonder if "in rural America" could be seen as a euphemism for Arizona....

No, but ipswitch is awfully close to dipsh!t, if you take my meaning.

[envenonearo]

Yes. That is correct, sir.

Too many brain washed victims that were taught they cannot survive without someone taking care of them.

This Arizona example is even more proof to me that the leftists are legislating under the disguise of the right. Be careful of your politics, young sir. You cannot believe anything THEY tell you.

Where is the white text?

[Equackasous]

I had a run-in with an over-white welfare recipient.

Terrible blow jobs.

As far as fining fat people, my mind says "Yes!!", but my conscious says, "No". Fat people have the right to be fat, I guess...

[monologue]

Thing that some of you, and most welfare slobs, are missing is that it isn't a "right" as such.
It isn't the "Government" handing out money, either, but you and every other working taxpayer paying for them to be on welfare.
As such, it is only right, as part of that social contract, that the recipient does what he, or she, can to reduce their draw on the public purse. I don't have a problem with fat people being told to loose weight if the aren't earning their own money, as they'll also be drawing on other parts of the public purse.
Heck, I'd be a lot more radical than that - I've have compulsory birth control and sterilisation of those who didn't look after their own children or abused them.
Not terribly different from those who have abused their bodies not being eligible for transplants, etc, unless they can show they are able to change their ways by losing weight, kicking drugs, etc.

[Blelidupgerie]

No, they don't sign over everything. They should have to meet some requirements though. They are getting something from the government, it's not unreasonable for the government to expect the people taking advantage of this service to do something in exchange. I think they should expand on this and say for people welfare can only have X amount of kids and should be tested for drugs. Why should the american people pay for fat tammy who has 6 kids, and who is also high on the weekends? You shouldn't get government assistance to help out with your kids (to many i might add) and then also get high.

This is exactly how I see it. People can do whatever they want, as long as they pay for it themselves. But once you WANT something from the government, why shouldnt the government put up some rules for you in order to get it?

Every friggin bank checks your financial background if you want a loan. Is that facism too? So why not check the health background, before someone gets food stamps or something like it?

OR, when you get food stamps, you should only be allowed to buy certain healthy products.

I had a run-in with an over-white welfare recipient.

Terrible blow jobs.

As far as fining fat people, my mind says "Yes!!", but my conscious says, "No". Fat people have the right to be fat, I guess...

By all means, they do! Everyone has to right to weigh whatever he/she wants. If that person pays for his/her chosen way of life with their own money.

[nizcreare]

No, but ipswitch is awfully close to dipsh!t, if you take my meaning.

Hey you're preaching to the choir here mate, we call it Ipsh!t round here for a reason.