[Catieliecutty]

I've heard [kof kof] that the internets are crawling with free porn. I have no problem believing that porn is the #1 category of internet traffic measured by bandwidth, even compared to the non-porn video sites like gootube-- text/news sites aren't bandwidth hogs, streaming video is!

Last couple years these "porn tube" sites have exploded- free, meticulously categorized video clips from a minute or so to an hour... keyword searchable. Before that it was a sea of free pics & sample video clips of 10 seconds or so, with a link to the producing website so the viewer could go sign up for more. I gather the referring site which provided the sample clips got a cut of the subscription price action for those who would open their wallets. But these tube sites just seem to give away the whole store for free-- I can't imagine they're raking in the subscription referral bucks to sustain their labor & bandwidth intensive operations. Why would porn surfers open their wallets, risking unknown-merchants/recurring-charges/embarrassment/etc esp in this economy, when the world of free internet porn seems bottomless?

So long story short, I suspect the free porn explosion on the net is 'lluminati/taxpayer-subsidized somehow; with the agenda something along the lines of "pacifying" the (mostly male gender) population, owning their "porn addicted" minds/libidos, keeping them off the streets, deterring/wrecking "normal" romantic relationships etc. Anyone else suspect this?

Here's a few articles I've seen in recent months discussing this stuff,

Makow (& guest contributors):
Most Men are Victims of Porn (February 28, 2010)

I'm a Prisoner of Porn and Can't Escape (February 27, 2010)

Others:
Slave Master: How Pornography Drugs & Changes Your Brain - "... Pornography is a visual pheromone, a powerful, $100 billion per year brain drug that is changing human sexuality by “inhibiting orientation” and “disrupting pre-mating communication between the sexes by permeating the atmosphere,” especially through the internet. "

Nudity on Sears website called 'deliberate brain damage'

[drugstore]

Hey Pat, apparently you didn't get the memo: staring at breasts is good for a man's health!

http://gold-silver.us/forum/gentleme...?topicseen#new

[Niiinioa]

So Pat has been doing his "homework" about internet porn.

Purely for research purposes.



Joking aside, you may well be right.

[zithromaxlinks]

Hey Pat, apparently you didn't get the memo: staring at breasts is good for a man's health!

http://gold-silver.us/forum/gentleme...?topicseen#new

Nah I saw that, well I skimmed it for pics anyways. I like the animated ones! :P

The point of this thread though is, I just don't see how the economics of "free" internet porn adds up. There's something more going on there. Smells like bagels. :conf:

Gonzo: must've been early '90s, I recall hearing about a "federal study" into the adult book store/video joints for some reason, and the outcomes their field research noted that they suspected there was masturbation going on inside those 25 cent multi-channel video booths...

[Niiinioa]

The point of this thread though is, I just don't see how the economics of "free" internet porn adds up. There's something more going on there. Smells like bagels. :conf:

You think they possibly make $$$ from ads or something?

Hell, how does the original youtube pay the bills?

Gonzo: must've been early '90s, I recall hearing about a "federal study" into the adult book store/video joints for some reason, and the outcomes their field research noted that they suspected there was masturbation going on inside those 25 cent multi-channel video booths...

Ya don't say!

Wonder how much that cost the taxpayers! lol

[Catieliecutty]

You think they possibly make $$$ from ads or something?

Hell, how does the original youtube pay the bills?

As a tightwad, I never understood the viability of banner ads either. Once in a blue moon I click one by accident, and X it out immediately. At some point, the banner ads need to result in surfers opening their wallets, greasing the whole slick click-through-ad commerce machine. People who click on them, then buy the product, are just a different sort of consumer than I; I can't relate to how they think, nor they to how I think & make buying decisions...

The economics of gootube have always mystified me too- the server space, the bandwidth... all for ad revenue? Are there really hoards of well trained consumers clicking the banner ads & buying the shwag, enough that the whole endeavor is profitable for everyone? But the porn tube sites, they're giving away all the commercially produced wank-fodder for free I've heard [kof kof], so they mystify me even more! I can't believe the wanking hoards are saying in sufficient numbers, "okay enough of the free stuff, I should be a good sport and join these sites whose material I've already all seen for free.." Maybe I'm wrong and that's exactly what they are doing, just seems implausible, all considered. Like I suggest in the OP, I suspect there's some 'lluminati/tavistock/satanic/social-engineering involved in the phenomenon somewhere.

[Catieliecutty]

From what I hear, they operate under the subscription, advertising support, and transaction models. Most tube sites have an option to subscribe to their premium service. The tube sites also have a lot of advertisements for websites such as "the f***book of sex. Finally they are usually affiliated with sites like Br***ers, that pay them a percentage of the fees received from the tube site's referrals. Not to mention the ad's contained in the free videos themselves.

"what you hear" sounds about right... but you see the problem I'm suggesting in that biz model- all their ads are for some flavor of pay-porn... when the ad-sponsored tube sites themselves are already giving away a seemingly bottomless amount of it, long videos categorized meticulously, for free already. Where's the "tease" to inspire the surfer to pay for "more of" what they can already marinate themselves in endlessly, for free?

Hey maybe my tightwad perspective makes it impossible for me to believe that the biz model does work profitably for all parties, I just don't know... be curious to see the cash flow/expense numbers behind the scenes.

[rozettasmolanov]

Porn is BIG buisness GE and most major hotels make BIG money off of it.

It's here to stay.

[Tam04xa]

This is part of the increasing effort to isolate mankind from God.

Sheep separated from the shepherd are easy to pick off.


If the devil came right out and showed himself, people would run screaming to God. Instead, he uses subtle ploys to create guilt, shame, distraction, addiction, selfishness, perversion, altered minds. These also keep men from fighting the slaver who is clamping the shackles on all.

[Hankie]

Interesting issue you raise Pat.

There is oversaturation of tastes for profit and for control. Perhaps this is just part of the national socialization movement.
Hard to see sense from a direct for profit angle, like giving away cars to promote links to General Motors ads.

Knew a person who worked in the industry not in content, but in bringing in the credit card money.

Besides normal fraud, porn sites have more problems collecting the cash than a normal business.
I.e. when the girlfriend asked about particular credit card bill and the wanking husband says I'll call Visa, this must be a mistake, we never did this.

Porn companies have such high rates of credit card payment cancellations and fraud that the credit card companies would normally not do business with these companies, or charge outrageous punitive rates.

The solution? Billing is routed through an Orthodox Jewish Banker in Germany who is able to make these bank and credit card issues go away.

Perspective is everything, is he providing an important service (freedom to pay with credit card) and/or another cog in the social machine destroying man?

[appleiphoneees]

PatC, in usual form, has brought up a very good point. Advertising a product on a site that freely distributes the same product makes no sense. My guess is that these sites are endeavors funded by groups with specific purposes along the lines of social datalogging. The ads are probably put there only for an appearance of legitimacy. Just a guess though.......like everything else in life.

Is there really a lot of free porn on the interwebs? [kof, kof]

[Catieliecutty]

Is there really a lot of free porn on the interwebs? [kof, kof]

round the clock my friend, 364 days a year [I've heard, kof kof]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6HHA2srpgrs

[Longwow]

Flirty Fishing

[Catieliecutty]

Good article, combines effect of ubiquitous pron & feeling of lack of future economic opportunity, result = less procreation, the lucies' desire. Also see reader comments:


Is Porn Killing Sex in Japan?
January 14, 2011

[CurtisTH]

Why Men Are Losing Interest in Women
September 28, 2003

ABC's flagship news program "20/20" Friday was devoted to the "biggest secret of American marriage."

"As many as 20% of American marriages are sexless," host Barbara Walters intoned. "It's not women who don't want sex as you might expect, it's the men!"

The program focused on two couples. In both cases, feminist mind control is responsible for their problem but the TV program wouldn't admit it.

One man was married to an attractive 30-something woman who is a stripper! Reporter John Stossel thought this made her husband's indifference even more astonishing. The show's marital therapist, Michele Weiner-Davis, ignored this as a possible explanation for the man's impotence.

Feminist groupthink says a woman's sexuality is the same as a man's, hers to enjoy (or sell). In this essentially lesbian mindset, the male's response to such women is considered irrelevant.

I beg to differ. The stripper's husband is impotent because he is a cuckold. Sex is an act of possession. The husband cannot possess his wife because she gives herself to hundreds of other men every day. She makes part of their living this way.

When a woman's sexuality is "her own," essentially it potentially belongs to any man. She is public property, which is what the framers of the Communist Manifesto envisaged. (Children will also belong to the state.) She is unfit for a long-term monogamous relationship.

A woman thrives best in the context of a loving marriage. Despite what feminism says, most women want to belong to one man, their husband.

THE SECOND COUPLE

Here the wife criticizes and nags.

"I can't be myself," the husband says. "I'm walking on eggshells all the time."

The wife is emasculating her husband. He compensates by riding a Harley and volunteering at the local fire department.

The therapist suggests that the wife stop nagging and the husband listen. She doesn't notice that the husband responds only after the wife starts to cry.

Men respond to vulnerability in a woman not power. As I have said before, heterosexual love involves the exchange of power for love. Men want power. Women want love. The female surrenders and allows the male to protect and possess her.

In return for her acquiescence, the male loves her in the full sense of the word. He is in charge but he also wants to make her happy. This is natural when someone makes you happy.

Women need to give men the power to love them. My wife's mother gave her daughter good advice: "Look for a man to take care of you but be able to take care of yourself."

PENIS EQUALS POWER

In the filmThe Crying Game(1992), director Neil Jordan captured the experience of the modern male: When the protagonist discovers his girlfriend has a penis, he runs gagging from the room and vomits.

This film notwithstanding, today's female impersonators are mostly women. By encouraging young women to be "strong and independent", feminism has outfitted them with a mental phallus. They have become men and made men redundant. Then they try to coerce men to love them as if we were their hand puppets.

In reality, a woman's power consists in being without penis, being everything a man is not. Not aggressive, forceful, dynamic, muscular and driven. Some weak men are attracted to "dynamic" women but they are really looking for themselves.

Feminine power consists of persuasion rather than force. A real woman relies on moral authority and her attraction: beauty, grace, charm, love and devotion. These women are very rare and in great demand.

Men and women are different. Jonathan Swift remarked that women love flattery but men are embarrassed by it. This is because men are active by nature and women are passive. The universe is held in balance by positive (active) and negative (passive) principles. Marriage is the way heterosexuals achieve this balance.


MEN NEED TO TAKE CHARGE

A man told me that after he has done home renovations all day, he is afraid his wife will "go ballistic" if he asks why she didn't even do the dishes.

An Australian man recently wrote to me: "For too long I have made girlfriends insecure by not telling them what I wanted because of a fear of appearing overbearing."

Men need to assert their just leadership and dump the women who don't like it. There are plenty of fish in the sea and they are biting. With patience and firmness, some feminists can be saved. The rest can be thrown back.

Generally speaking, men need to figure out what they want to do with their life. You might ask what God wants you to do. Then define the role you want your wife to play and find a woman who is eager for the part.

This is what women really want. They are attracted to a dynamic man whom they cannot control. He must have a wholesome vision where she is cherished for her contribution.

FEMINIST ROAD KILL

Feminism teaches that male and female are the same and sex roles are merely "stereotypes". As a result, millions of people are clueless about their sexual identities and suffer from arrested development. I was one of them.

I'm 53 years old. Normally I would have had a family and three grown children by now. Instead, I have been divorced three times and have one child. It took me until age 50 to figure out what was happening and finally make a successful marriage.

Feminism corrected some abuses but these reforms mask its real agenda. Feminism is a cruel hoax. It is a psychological warfare program to depopulate and destabilize society, invented by the same Illuminists who gave us Communism. They will exploit any grievance to advance their "New World Order" a system of world government that omits to mention democracy.

Contrary to what media and educators would have us believe, perverts and criminals run the world. This may sound outrageous. If it were fiction, I would have thought of something more plausible. For a concise well documented explanation, I urge you to read William T Still, New World Order: The Ancient Plan of Secret Societies, 1990. It is will change the way you view the world.

The Illumnists use the education system and mass media to subtly shape our thoughts. We are conditioned to listen to others instead of trust our own instincts and common sense. Generally speaking, people are very gullible.


CONCLUSION

The woman's role is to empower a man. He uses this power for her benefit. Together they are a team. This is the way heterosexuality works.

We cannot conceive that our leaders wish us harm. But this is the case. Generally feminism has resulted in the degradation of women, family, and society.

Communism and Nazism were dress rehearsals for the New World Order. But remember, they both failed. The New World Order, a.k.a. "globalism" will fail too. The human race cannot be enslaved.

http://www.henrymakow.com/000226.html

[nryFBa9i]

So long story short, I suspect the free porn explosion on the net is 'lluminati/taxpayer-subsidized somehow; with the agenda something along the lines of "pacifying" the (mostly male gender) population, owning their "porn addicted" minds/libidos, keeping them off the streets, deterring/wrecking "normal" romantic relationships etc. Anyone else suspect this?

Not to mention the killing of the Family unit. The complete and utter destruction of the unity of a man and woman. Sex is now connected to being an 'animal' with instincts that must be dealt with. No longer connecting sex to LOVE and the creation of life. No longer being influenced by moral or religious concepts about sex and love. It is the idea that man is nothing but an animal, and has instincts like an animal.

Man is NOT an animal, man has choice. An animal; no matter how cruel and violent his actions may be; is not moral or immoral regardless of his actions because he has no choice over his actions. Man on the other hand, has choice. Therefore his actions are moral or immoral. Using sex for anything other than expressing love or creating life, is immoral. (I know it is hard for us men to accept this.)

Your average male or female has no idea just how poisonous pornography really is the the human psyche. But the worlds social engineers know exactly how your mind works.

I dont even watch tv, and i can tell you that just being a male and living in this society, sex is 100% EVERYWHERE. It is in every facet of our lives. Every television show, all advertising ads, all movies, all games, all fashions, at work, etc. The average American man is bombarded with this stuff everyday, all day. Whether it is right in your face, or subliminally, you cannot escape its grasp, unless you can spot it for what it is and make conscious decisions to not allow yourself to succumb to it.

In other words, self control. Something that most people do not have.

[first_pr]

Internet businesses are often started with a simple idea:
1. Get traffic
2. Maintain traffic for some period of time.
3. Sell the domain, or sell advertising.

When the free porn sites started, many of them failed. You're looking at tens of dollars a month to start a site that is mostly text, but hundreds to reasonably stream video. You're going to need at least a grand to stream high quality video if you have real traffic (thousands of hits per day).

Fortunately, that is the only ongoing expense. These sites don't spend a lot on getting logos done. The programming would actually be rather simple - I'm confident I could write a basic porn tube site with a search and related videos and upload and categories within an afternoon.

Your revenue then is from advertising. I know a guy personally that ran a "funny video" type site for a number of years, and the revenue is not insignificant. For about $1500 in hosting per month, he was taking up to $6000 in advertising revenue. The big payers are sites that have members sign up and pay monthly fees. You'll notice livejasmine pops up when you visit any number of porn or non-porn sites. For that privilege of being automatically popped up on a website, they will pay several hundred dollars per month (depends on the traffic of course.) Adult friend finder was a big player a few years ago, paying to be on a page, paying for click throughs, and paying bigtime for the few clickthroughs that purchased a membership. Online casinos and poker sites were great for a while too (I don't know if they still are) sharing a large percentage of the profit they took from any click-through that signed up.

You're right in asking why someone on a free porn site already would go sign up on a paid porn site. That's why all the best paying advertisers are "dating" sites or the webcam sites (livejasmine). People aren't willing to pay to just watch more porn, which is already free, they're paying to go to the next step of interaction. If you've ever had livejasmin pop up you'll be blown away by the quality of the cameras... somehow they are pumping out live, smooth, high resolution, hi fidelity sound, to multiple viewers at once. I first assumed it was a recording when I first saw it popunder another website and heard a girl talking, but then I typed something in the box and was amazed that it really was a live webcam at that quality. It seems that the only activity people feels that justifies the expense of such high quality communication is to talk to naked chicks. Anyway, back to "interaction", the dating sites you'll see advertised on these places often aren't exactly dating sites. More likely, they're escort sites disguised as dating sites. Anything that looks like "swinger dating" or "rich guy poor girl dating" is basically an escort site.

You may or may not know... escort advertising is not a bad revenue stream. It basically used to fund craigslist. (Ever wonder how they made it so far with no ads on the site?) I don't think there would be a craigslist today if they didn't have that revenue source to grow with. They've since removed the escort category and just charge for job and apartment ads.

As for categorization - that's an easy one. The uploader of the video can select categories or tags. These can also be pulled from the title or filename of the video. Some sites will also ask users to categories videos they see, rate them, report them if illegal, etc.

Content is user-submitted, which allows the site to stay out of the direct fire of copyright law. This is good for the sites, since most content is copyrighted, just taken from paid sites or DVDs and such. Some paid sites take advantage of this and will themselves upload videos watermarked with their url.

Free porn sites actually predate the WWW. Back when we had bulletin boards more than half of the public ones were just porn and downloadable "sexy" games. So you'd get a blocky picture of a naked chick (probably scanned from penthouse) in 16 colors if you waited long enough. Unlike the free tube sites today, the BBS sites were completely run at a loss, with people just doing it for notoriety (ie teenagers wanting to be badasses.)

So I don't think the porn sites are subsidized at all. If anything, they are one of the few business models on the net that is self-sufficient (many other sites are run at a loss because they are of use to the parent company.) Content and categorization are free, programming is trivial, and the hosting can be offset by advertising.

[cucceevevaind]

Ever see the kid's movie "Shrek?" I was watching it with a friend and her eight year old daughter. The King gets an obvious hard-on (under the sheets) looking at the princess in his crystal ball. This is a G rated movie? I was horrified, although the eight year old didn't see it....with her concious mind. Promote filth and perversion, especially to kids....

[L8fGLM4d]

So I don't think the porn sites are subsidized at all. The expense is in the production of porn, not in the online delivery...

It's like saying that it's quite inexpensive to deliver a pro football game online.
True, the technical requirements, the software and such to show it are fairly commonplace,
but to produce professional football in it's entirety is staggeringly expensive to accomplish.

And Pro Football Is subsidized.

And for that matter, so is all Mass Media, of which porn has become an integral part of.

Porn is being used as a tool for social engineering and public relations, I have no doubt.

[Shemker394]

Your average male or female has no idea just how poisonous pornography really is the the human psyche. But the worlds social engineers know exactly how your mind works.

Can you go out on a limb and tell us in explicit detail.