[EvonsRorgon]

Do you honestly believe this is the first time something like this has happened?

Do you honestly believe that the people making the decisions about buying this aircraft are gonna sit there and say "zomg an engine for that blew up recently, lets buy a 747 instead" thats not the way these things work. failures are an accepted problem in this industry, all these companies can do is research and invest in better maintenance.

It could have happened to anyone, it happened to them, they will get over it, as will everyone else... dont be so naive [thumbup]

Nobody suggested they would go bust or anything. They said there will be ramifications for the 787. A ramification is basically just a consequence and could be anything from a loss of orders to a stern telling off. Buy a dictionary and try to see past black and white.

[Seiblybiozy]

Buy a dictionary and try to see past black and white.

Do you really have to result to childish demeaning to make a point?

Your suggesting I had to pass an IQ test to make an account on this forum, or that I shouldn't be allowed to air my opinion without being harrassed...

We weren't all educated at Oxford

Get a grip [thumbdown]

[EvonsRorgon]

Do you really have to result to childish demeaning to make a point?

Your suggesting I had to pass an IQ test to make an account on this forum, or that I shouldn't be allowed to air my opinion without being harrassed...

We weren't all educated at Oxford

Get a grip [thumbdown]

Do you really believe that your comments on this thread have been any more mature than mine? I can recommend a good doctor if so.

[etdgxcnc]

Ah, I may have partially misunderstood - I was taking the customers as being those who were paying the fares, not the airlines.
However, I would be VERY suprised if airlines weren't somewhat wary of both until the issues have been resolved.

Trent updates...
http://www.flightglobal.com/blogs/fl...in-the-sp.html
http://www.flightglobal.com/blogs/fl...-grounded.html

[Kdgjhytiy]

I think you misread him. He's suggesting that customers don't care what engine a plane has and that there will be no PR fallout for either of the companies involved.

I honestly don't believe customers care what engine a plane uses. I've flown dozens of times and never once actively tried to find out which engines my plane is using.

To be quite honest, there are several times I have flown and not known what particular model of plane I'm on, be it a 737 or whatever.

Also, I can't see anything in ogradyc1984's post where he says there will be no PR fallout for either company? He actually says:

These things happen, they will recover. Which indicates to me that he expects there to be some PR fallout but that they will be able to recover from it.

As for the earlier quote of:

The aircraft has been in service for two or three years, strange these problems should all be arising now? It wouldn't surprise me to find that this was a maintenance issue. The airline industry has had a tough few years, particularly the last 2 or 3 with the recession meaning fewer passengers and certainly fewer passengers choosing Business Class or other higher-margin options.

Under these circumstances, ways of cutting costs are always explored. Increasing the gap between maintenance cycles is just one way of doing it. I work for several companies in the Oil & Gas sector and it happens there regularly. Wouldn't surprise me to find out the airline industry is the same.

If maintenance has been reduced, then 2 to 3 years into service is when you would expect that reduction to start having consequences.

[EvonsRorgon]

I honestly don't believe customers care what engine a plane uses. I've flown dozens of times and never once actively tried to find out which engines my plane is using.

I mean customers of boeing, not the passengers. You're making a huge mountain out of this fairly small molehill.

All that I said was that it will be a PR nightmare for rolls-royce, but companies have them all the time when things go wrong.

Everything has to be a black or white, I'm right and he's wrong thing on here [cursing][cursing][cursing]

[chuecfafresslds]

I agree Gordo, we need Jack to get in here with his opinion!

Do you honestly believe this is the first time something like this has happened?

No this is not the first time it happened, but one of the last times it's happened resulted in a downed aircraft, google "United Airlines flight 232". Do you even realise how serious an engine failure like this is? On another day or another crew this could have been the A380's first disaster. This wasn't just a simple engine shutdown.

Do you honestly believe that the people making the decisions about buying this aircraft are gonna sit there and say "zomg an engine for that blew up recently, lets buy a 747 instead" thats not the way these things work. failures are an accepted problem in this industry, all these companies can do is research and invest in better maintenance.

It could have happened to anyone, it happened to them, they will get over it, as will everyone else... dont be so naive [thumbup]

You don't work in the industry do you? Or maybe you do and work in the Singapore maintenance facility Qantas use for it's engines Failures are not an accepted problem in aviation!

Sure it's early days yet, but my point is that Rolls Royce must be in melt down mode at the moment trying to figure this out.

And also, you do realise the A380 fleet is grounded at the moment right? Lot's of $$$ being lost for the airlines at this moment. I highly doubt they will be keen to order more A380's when more proven aircraft can do the job more cost effectively.

As for those saying the public don't care what aircraft they fly, ever wonder why you don't fly many MD aircraft anymore?

[Kdgjhytiy]

I mean customers of boeing, not the passengers. You're making a huge mountain out of this fairly small molehill. Fair enough - I'd misinterpreted.

[chuecfafresslds]

And you the cold hard fact is this. 200+ orders where customers have not yet chosen what engine to install into their brand new 787.

[Info-phone]

Well following the Qantas failure it appears that the Roll Royce engine designed for the A380 has major issues.


Here is the list of supposed issue's from insider's knowledge (not sure how true it is).

So Rolls Royce need to figure out how the explosion was not contained and almost downed an A380! * massive fuel leak in the left mid fuel tank (the beast has 11 tanks,
including in the horizontal stabiliser on the tail)
* massive fuel leak in the left inner fuel tank
* a hole on the flap canoe/fairing that you could fit your upper body
through
* the aft gallery in the fuel system failed, preventing many fuel transfer
functions
* fuel jettison had problems due to the previous problem above
* bloody great hole in the upper wing surface
* partial failure of leading edge slats
* partial failure of speed brakes/ground spoilers
* shrapnel damage to the flaps
* TOTAL loss of all hydraulic fluid in the Green System (beast has 2 x
5,000 PSI systems, Green and Yellow)
* manual extension of landing gear
* loss of 1 generator and associated systems
* loss of brake anti-skid system
* unable to shutdown adjacent #1 engine using normal method after landing
due to major damage to systems
* unable to shutdown adjacent #1 engine using using the fire switch!!!!!!!!
Therefore, no fire protection was available for that engine after the
explosion in #2
* ECAM warnings about major fuel imbalance because of fuel leaks on left
side, that were UNABLE to be fixed with cross-feeding
* fuel trapped in Trim Tank (in the tail). Therefore, possible major CofG
out-of-balance condition for landing. Yikes!
* and much more to come..........

Yes, looks like trusted inside info.

All I know is that there are found oil leaks in 3 other engines.

[chuecfafresslds]

Yes, looks like trusted inside info.

All I know is that there are found oil leaks in 3 other engines.

They've replaced 3 engines in the Qantas fleet, and at least one that I know in the Singapore Airlines fleet who run a different spec T900, it 2000lbs less thrust.

Both versions of the T900 have been found to have oil leaks.

[Info-phone]

I want to know where you quoted all those problems from, it looks to me that it is some sort of reporter of a dodgy news site.

Not saying the engines are trouble free, but the words used do not make me believe we deal with someone important to trust.

This whole information is blown out of proportion imo.

[chuecfafresslds]

As I said it's not official, it's info supposedly past on informally.

Bottom of the page post (post 300)
http://www.pprune.org/dg-p-reporting...onesia-15.html


But given this image, I don't have much concern it's made up. And it's a known fact engine 1 was pumped full of water to shut it down, so it's also known the damage was not isolated to the engine alone.

[mashabox]

anyone heard of Kegworth?

the issue that grounded ALL 734`s world wide?

vibration at a power climb above 25,000 feet caused greater than expected fatigue , which resulted in several and spectacular engine failures - the most lethel was the kegworth crash in 1989 which resulted in 47 deaths and 74 serious injuries..


shall we discuss todays fire onboard the dreamliner which resulted in the RAT being deployed and the entire cockpit systems failing?

[Info-phone]

Never said about it being made up, just hugely out of proportion. That's human nature.

to be honest, it looks more to front wing damage than a bloody large hole.

[chuecfafresslds]

anyone heard of Kegworth?

the issue that grounded ALL 734`s world wide?

vibration at a power climb above 25,000 feet caused greater than expected fatigue , which resulted in several and spectacular engine failures - the most lethel was the kegworth crash in 1989 which resulted in 47 deaths and 74 serious injuries..


shall we discuss todays fire onboard the dreamliner which resulted in the RAT being deployed and the entire cockpit systems failing?

Yep, vibration is the main focus with the investigation now for the T900.

[chuecfafresslds]

Never said about it being made up, just hugely out of proportion. That's human nature.

to be honest, it looks more to front wing damage than a bloody large hole.

You do realise the hole is created from underneath right? And notice it's not just one hole, their is a number of holes, one of which has fuel leaking out.

And over reaction is not what this is, the crew lost roll control at one stage, fuel was leaking.....

[mashabox]

heers another:

http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...0a-engine.html

AA 767 on GE engines , in start up , number 1 lets go and the HP disk bounces off the number 2 engine , via ripping a hole in the fuselage

http://photos.palal.net/v/aviation/l..._5001.JPG.html

if that had happened in flight the aircraft would have crashed.

[mashabox]

about the hole

its actually a `good thing` that this occured soon after take off when the tanks are full , it means theres little air for the fire triangle; btw concorde was different , the puncture of the fuel tank sprayed directly into the afterburner of the number 2 engine which caused the fire and the failure of the left wing

[Seiblybiozy]

And it's a known fact engine 1 was pumped full of water to shut it down

That was to cool it down to prevent further complications, an engine water pump couldnt drown a trent 900, have you seen the flood testing done on these things?