[EzequielTMann]

The sooner Red Bull realise that Vettel is being trounced by Webber the better, or they will lose both championships.

The only reason he's been beating him is due to Vettel being on a damage car nearly every race, that's a simple fact. 3 races before this he was driving on a damaged chassis, then this race in Q3, on about a 26.0/26.1 when his roll cage broke causing his car to lock up and go weird in S3. Which meant he had to deal with 3rd instead of pole. Later in race he got much quicker then Webber, untill he failed on his passing attempt.

Golden boy Vettel and Redbull Favouring him is all conspiracy, as there's no facts for that, we could say Webber is RedBull's golden boy as he has had the perfect car with no failures the last races, but that will be another conspiracy.

[Automobill]

The only reason he's been beating him is due to Vettel being on a damage car nearly every race, that's a simple fact. 3 races before this he was driving on a damaged chassis, then this race in Q3, on about a 26.0/26.1 when his roll cage broke causing his car to lock up and go weird in S3. Which meant he had to deal with 3rd instead of pole. Later in race he got much quicker then Webber, untill he failed on his passing attempt.

Golden boy Vettel and Redbull Favouring him is all conspiracy, as there's no facts for that, we could say Webber is RedBull's golden boy as he has had the perfect car with no failures the last races, but that will be another conspiracy.

What is this "roll cage" crap? That throws any credibility you may have right out the window!
There was plenty of room - indeed, there were instances of Ferraris running McLarens literally off the track, and the McLaren was penalised - Vettel moved in on Webber, something Webber's done to others in the past, and it didn't come off!
If you want to see a driver running another RIGHT off the road - actually pushed over onto the pit entrance and almost into the pit wall, you should have watched the GP2 race! That was a driver who should be stood down for a few races and given a hefty fine for dangerous driving!

[ChyFDjfed]

Later in race he got much quicker then Webber, untill he failed on his passing attempt.

Golden boy Vettel and Redbull Favouring him is all conspiracy, as there's no facts for that, we could say Webber is RedBull's golden boy as he has had the perfect car with no failures the last races, but that will be another conspiracy.

Yes he was catching Webber, as Webber's car had a rear wing setup that was only a guess, and then when Vettel couldn't get close enough for a pass the team asked Webber to turn his engine down [rofl]

As for why Vettel has had what appears to be less reliability. Maybe Vettel has been getting the newest parts first? Or just unlucky? Webber has had part failure too, just not at such critical stages.

[ImapFidaarram]

I think Vettel got faster, rather than Webber getting slower, just before they collided. Either way though, asking Webber to save fuel and then tell him Vettel might overtake him is stupid. I think there's definitely some favouritism going on in that team. They wanted a one-two with Vettel leading.

[Automobill]

There's a lot of speculation regarding the 'save fuel' issue - without knowing how much fuel was put in AND how much was left in the tanks, you're just blowing wind.
Just as some drivers are harder on their tyres, so are some drivers going to be using a little more fuel, remember, it's been speculated by several commentators that the pace and fuel consumption was higher than anticipated.
Any team would prefer a certain points finish than risk running out and no points!

[ChyFDjfed]

There's a lot of speculation regarding the 'save fuel' issue - without knowing how much fuel was put in AND how much was left in the tanks, you're just blowing wind.
Just as some drivers are harder on their tyres, so are some drivers going to be using a little more fuel, remember, it's been speculated by several commentators that the pace and fuel consumption was higher than anticipated.
Any team would prefer a certain points finish than risk running out and no points!

True, but one thing we do know, is that after the accident Webber was asked to push hard as the Macs where tight on fuel... not something you ask a man to do if he had fuel issues himself!

[Automobill]

True, but one thing we do know, is that after the accident Webber was asked to push hard as the Macs where tight on fuel... not something you ask a man to do if he had fuel issues himself!

Interesting - I missed that

[oxinsnepe]

How anyone sees those 'Save Fuel' commands as anything other then 'hold position' baffles me.

What is this "roll cage" crap? That throws any credibility you may have right out the window! At a guess, I assume he's referring to the roll bar failure.

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/84006

The sooner Red Bull realise that Vettel is being trounced by Webber the better, or they will lose both championships. While I think the tactics they employed yesterday and the bs they've been spewing since is disgusting, I still think Vettel is the overall faster package, but at this stage + Webber's current form it's ridiculous to be favouring one over the other.

[DghtRdc]

Both drivers are in with championship chances, the team needs to accept that, if they cant then maybe they should go for one main driver and a rookie.

In the past teams have not had a problem managing this, and there have been many scraps between team mates in the past, its part of the sport and its BS that they feel that this incident is unjust in some way, then its their own management at fault as well as their drivers attitudes.

As much as people want to bang on about this being a "team" sport, it just isnt...its about the drivers championship, this isnt soccer or football or hockey, only one man can lift that trophy at the end of the season.
The only people who give a crap about the constructors are the sponsors, everybody else cares about the drivers championship.

I have no sympathy for Webber...at all, and the same goes for Vettel.
They have what in truth is the best car this season, they both know this and they both want to win the championship because they may not have this dominance again, Webbers major threat in the table IS Vettel, so why should Vettel sit back ?

If Webber himself cared about "team spirit" then maybe he should have let Vettel through (who was the faster man at the time), the race was not going to be won by one overtake at that stage, and risking a DNF when leading the championship is stupid on Webbers part, he could have easily jumped Vettel again if he was confident in his ability (rather than hoping for team orders).
And second would have been better than third or possibly a DNF in the worst case scenario...the truth is, he probably is happy with Vettels DNF but angry because he wasnt protected by team orders.
No driver deserves a free ride to the first spot, and i dont care who you are even if your name is Micky McShoe.

[Automobill]

How anyone sees those 'Save Fuel' commands as anything other then 'hold position' baffles me.



At a guess, I assume he's referring to the roll bar failure.

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/84006



While I think the tactics they employed yesterday and the bs they've been spewing since is disgusting, I still think Vettel is the overall faster package, but at this stage + Webber's current form it's ridiculous to be favouring one over the other.

It may be, even if/when a car does run out, it won't disprove the other occassions. However, they do calculate the fuel level very carefully, and if the race consumption is a bit higher than they thought, it's certainly possible they will be told to cool it.

Thought it might be - but the 'cage' and suggestion he'd been allowed to compete in races with a car known to be faulty was rediculous.

Vettel may also be a little harder on the car than Webber, who can say? Certainly, it appears that Vettel was at fault this time, but it may have beenclipping the rear tyres, rather than a deliberate move - that said, he did have room to the left, which he didn't use.
Until we're made privy to the team decisions, rather than press releases, etc, we can only speculate.

[oxinsnepe]

And second would have been better than third or possibly a DNF in the worst case scenario...the truth is, he probably is happy with Vettels DNF but angry because he wasnt protected by team orders. The points have worked out in his favour, but I don't think he's angry that he wasn't 'protected' by team orders, but rather seemingly hung out to dry by them. Vettel given extra revs while Mark told to fuel save, and even then after Vettel drives into him, before the overtake is complete and before the corner anyway, Red Bull are pointing the finger at him?

As Gordo says it's all speculation, but we can't do more then speculate as fans as we're not privy to Red Bull's telemetry - and we never will be. Anything they release will be covered in spin or following an agenda.

It's undeniable in my eyes that regardless of how Vettel managed to get alongside Webber, from the on board shots Webber simply gave Vettel one car's width, which is all he is required to do, and Vettel cut across Webber too early hoping that he would yield - which Webber didn't have to do as he had the racing line. Vettel just carried on anyways and ka-blooey.

Heck if we go back ten seconds when Vettel's in Webber's slipstream he had the choice of going under Webber or round him, Vettel chose the dirty side of the track to have the inside line for the corner - Webber did not push him onto it.

I just find it sad, Red Bull seemed like such a great all round team prior to this race. Now I have about as much respect for them as Ferrari - actually less, at least everyone knew where they stood when they agreed to race with Schumacher's Ferrari.

[Kissntell]

Rumour's are that Redbull asked Webber to turn his engine down on the lap they collided, explaining the speed difference despite Webber doing nothing different than any other lap.

Sebastien had been behind either Lewis or Mark for 40 laps, so he'd managed to save a lap more fuel over Mark, hence MArk being asked to save fuel and not Sebastien.

[duexjepevef]

Well if Red Bull want a championship now, they better let Webber be da man!

Those sneaky German tricks only work on British championship hopes. [beta]