[Grarypealumma]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/moto...ne/7749751.stm

Basically it involves scrapping the current points system and replacing it with awarding 1st, 2nd and 3rd places with gold silver and bronze medals and the person who wins the most races winning the championship.

He says all the teams agree but I can't see that as it would mean the smaller teams would end up with nothing at the end of the season. He also says this is necessary because drivers don't want to overtake because they're happy just to pick up points. I think this is nonsense, it may be true in the last race, like this year, where a driver just needs to finish in the top 5, say, to take the championship but in the rest of the season they all want to score as many points as possible because it could make all the difference at the end of the season.

[phsyalcvqh]

Doesn't win me over. If the only thing that matters is first, what's everybody up the back going to do? 7th or 8th would make literally zero difference, so unless you think you can get to first, there's far less incentive to even try. I'd go in the complete opposite direction if you're wanting to provide more position / overtaking motivation. Award massive points for 1st and have them scale down very quickly from there. 1000 points for first, 500 for second, 250 for third, etc. All the way down to the very back of the grid.

I still believe that the lack of overtaking comes from too much aero grip and not enough mechanical grip. Get slick tyres back on and let's see what happens.

[+++Poguru+++]

i think it might be better if the scoring system went the other way.

if you finish the race last, you get one point, 2nd last, 2 points, 3rd last 4 points, etc

so it would be a much higher scoring table, with more points up for grabs, and every position is worth more and more points

[Oppofeescom]

Make it like superbikes.

Position 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15
Points 25 20 16 13 11 10 9 8 7 6 5 4 3 2 1

Job done, everyone in the whole field has a reason to overtake.

[phsyalcvqh]

Points right to the end of the field also encourage teams / manufacturers to produce more reliable vehicles, another issue in F1.

[Reocourgigiot]

Points right to the end of the field also encourage teams / manufacturers to produce more reliable vehicles, another issue in F1.

i think they're reliable enough really now.

i kind of like the idea. silver is always going to be pretty meaningless to the title challengers so i think they will always be pushing for the win every race, not just the last race of the year.

kind of does **** things up further down the field though.

[VodsNittats]

If this happens i will stop watching.

I agree the motoGP system is better, or at least use the fastest lap point again.
Or just leave it as it is....

[Ingeborga]

He says all the teams agree but I can't see that as it would mean the smaller teams would end up with nothing at the end of the season.

The full story is that lower places would still get points, but those points won't count towards the driver title. Apart from the world's focus on the individual title, there's also a title for the best constructor. Financial means are distributed based on the constructor's ranking. The driver title only means he gets #1 on his car and his team mate gets #2.

He also says this is necessary because drivers don't want to overtake because they're happy just to pick up points. I think this is nonsense, it may be true in the last race, like this year, where a driver just needs to finish in the top 5, say, to take the championship but in the rest of the season they all want to score as many points as possible because it could make all the difference at the end of the season.

It is indeed nonsense, but only for the first 3 or 4 races in a season. Bernie is right for the rest of the season. A driver leading by 15 points after 4 races won't take any unnecessary risks and will happily take second place instead of finishing first if the risk is too big ("better 8 points than none at all"). The driver will obviously say otherwise post race, but an F1 driver can't really say "No, I raced for second place".

[Reocourgigiot]

even at the very begining of the season, how likely is it that your gonna see koveleinen lead hamilton to a 1-2? i wouldnt have thought mclaren or any other team would want any golds taken off their number 1 driver. where as before 2 points didnt really matter so much.

[Cersdog]

Ecclestone is too old and out of touch and should retire!

Control of F1 should be handed over to a committee with equal representation from all teams as well as respected former drivers who understand the sport.

Each team should have a maximum budget each season to allow a level playing field and narrow the gap between the top teams and the smaller less successful ones. The teams should then be allowed to make whatever adjustments they wish as long as they stay within their budget. This way enterprise will be rewarded more than wealth.

You do get overtaking in F1 at the moment, it is just that the gap between the likes of Ferrari, Mclaren and Force India, Super Aguri is so big that you get pockets of overtaking rather than it being throughout the field.

I also agree that points should be awarded right through to last place so everyone has an incentive to try and gain at least a place.


Finally, I wonder if Ecclestone would have been making these comments if Massa had ended the season as champion or are Ferrari still smarting about the fact he lost the title even though he won more races than Hamilton?

[Forex Autopilot]

Ecclestone is too old and out of touch and should retire!

Control of F1 should be handed over to a committee with equal representation from all teams as well as respected former drivers who understand the sport.

Each team should have a maximum budget each season to allow a level playing field and narrow the gap between the top teams and the smaller less successful ones. The teams should then be allowed to make whatever adjustments they wish as long as they stay within their budget. This way enterprise will be rewarded more than wealth.

You do get overtaking in F1 at the moment, it is just that the gap between the likes of Ferrari, Mclaren and Force India, Super Aguri is so big that you get pockets of overtaking rather than it being throughout the field.

I also agree that points should be awarded right through to last place so everyone has an incentive to try and gain at least a place.


Finally, I wonder if Ecclestone would have been making these comments if Massa had ended the season as champion or are Ferrari still smarting about the fact he lost the title even though he won more races than Hamilton?

I agree with everything you said. Additionally, a driver who clocks the fastest lap during the race should be awarded a point or two even.

[Nwxffgke]

I agree too, it's the most stupid idea I've heard for a while from the twats that currently run F1.

Medals? I mean come on, what the **** are they thinking? If they want a clear distinction between first and second just add a couple more points and make the winner get 12, or as others have suggested the MogoGP system isn't bad either.

If it goes through he better make sure the stewards actually know what their doing too, we don't need another farce like Belgium seeing as "wins" count for so much.

[appabessy]

even at the very begining of the season, how likely is it that your gonna see koveleinen lead hamilton to a 1-2? i wouldnt have thought mclaren or any other team would want any golds taken off their number 1 driver. where as before 2 points didnt really matter so much.

Good point Kyros. You'll get far more team orders, right from the first race, if a win really matters. I'd like to see points go further down the field, and a point for pole and fastest lap.

[Arximedus]

IMO, a large part of the leading teams not "overtaking" lies with the idiotic "Clerks of Course" who penalise a driver for the merest bump or agressive move - especially if it's against Ferrari. Close behind is the relative fragility of the cars - it doesn't take much of a bump to wreck the bodywork aero', or suspension, or pucture a tyre.
The drivers and teams are after podium finishes, especially the top step, as that has a lot of kudos - but they're also looking at the long term goal, which is to win the Championships.

[Vapepreab]

this is a great idea drivers will have to try to win a every race if they want to be world champion. the constructors point system will remain unchanged