[Vokbeelllicky]

I'm doing an intro to web programming course at uni. Our first assignment was to install apache on the undergrad server and make a little web page showing off what we already know about XHTML and CSS. This is a course to teach those, so it was kind of a fun assignment. I have done plenty of this stuff, so it was a breeze.

Yesterday he posted the marks and 8 out of 22 have an "INC" listed. This was odd, so we asked him. He told us we did not meet the standard for academic honesty and our work was forwarded to the Academic Integrity Officer in our department. He refused to tell us anything else.

We eventually figured out that we all used pictures of some type on our sites and did not, if at all, cite the source correctly. [rolleyes] I have a Java logo I took from wiki and I just said I took it from wiki. Others didn't cite, others did similar to what I did. Needless to say we were furious.

We went back to him and he told us not to worry and he seriously doubts anything will come of it. Just a slap on the wrist and info on how to cite properly on future assignments. I asked him why the hell even bother to drag us through this if he knows nothing will come of it and he didn't have an answer for me.

Anyone else agree that he took this way to far? It was the first assignment of the year. For 90% of the class this was their first web page ever! Now we all have to stress over this until the AI officer comes up with a decision (he happens to be the dean as well). The dean/AIO is a cool guy and he probably thinks this is as silly as we do, but either way we are all pissed. [cursing]

[MackBranon]

I've had professors make us write scientific journal articles who were less strict about source citing. Taking it the the dean is ridiculous IMO.

[MatueHarton]

so let me get my head round this.

you're at college your pissed at your teacher,for doing what he did.

yet in the real world if it wasn't cited but used etc,you and the company you work for would be sued into the ground for unauthorized use/ non acknowledgment of original copyrighted/intellectual material by its respective owners.

am I righty ?

[Vokbeelllicky]

so let me get my head round this.

you're at college your pissed at your teacher,for doing what he did.

yet in the real world if it wasn't cited but used etc,you and the company you work for would be sued into the ground for unauthorized use/ non acknowledgment of original copyrighted/intellectual material by its respective owners.

am I righty ?

For the others maybe. In my case I used the Java logo from Sun Micro Systems. I did not claim it to be my own. In fact, the page was about the Java language and provided links to their site to get people started with Java. I think use of that logo in this non-profit, educational page constitutes fair-use. Sun would certainly not be pissed, but I didn't cite it and now I get in hot water.

I get your point, but I don't think it's the same. This isn't a page made for money. It's a page made cause we had too. And even if it had been a larger, non academic site, the use of a logo in the context I did would be fair-use (I think, I don't really know much about the law).

edit - See here http://www.sc.edu/beaufort/library/p.../fairuse.shtml

I think my use falls well into fair use of a logo.

[DzjwMKo5]

Well... you certainly need to learn about giving proper credit to material which isn't yours.. but if it's the first assignment... I think taking it to the dean is a little extreme... he should have just explained & let you correct it or worry about it next time.

[DzjwMKo5]

For the others maybe. In my case I used the Java logo from Sun Micro Systems. I did not claim it to be my own. In fact, the page was about the Java language and provided links to their site to get people started with Java. I think use of that logo in this non-profit, educational page constitutes fair-use. Sun would certainly not be pissed, but I didn't cite it and now I get in hot water.

I get your point, but I don't think it's the same. This isn't a page made for money. It's a page made cause we had too. And even if it had been a larger, non academic site, the use of a logo in the context I did would be fair-use (I think, I don't really know much about the law).

edit - See here http://www.sc.edu/beaufort/library/p.../fairuse.shtml

I think my use falls well into fair use of a logo.

Here's something you need clarifying...

It doesn't matter whether you claimed it to be yours or not!

It is assumed to be yours, unless otherwise stated

Also... whether it's made to make money or not, doesn't make a difference.

And that's how copyright / plagiarism sees it.

If you even use a logo or any content which is copied and pasted (that includes a logo), the source/author MUST be credited, in all cases.


It can be a very major thing... but like I said... as it was your first project, imo the tutor should have had a word with you instead of putting it up to the dean [surrender]

[Vokbeelllicky]

Here's something you need clarifying...

It doesn't matter whether you claimed it to be yours or not!

It is assumed to be yours, unless otherwise stated

Also... whether it's made to make money or not, doesn't make a difference.

And that's how copyright / plagiarism sees it.

If you even use a logo or any content which is copied and pasted (that includes a logo), the source/author MUST be credited, in all cases.


It can be a very major thing... but like I said... as it was your first project, imo the tutor should have had a word with you instead of putting it up the dean [surrender]

Yeah, I defiantly should have said where I got it from, that was my bad. The point of this class is to learn about the web and its workings. It's stupid he turned this first project into what it is now when for many it was their first crack at anything. Letting us know, then showing us how would have been much better.

[DzjwMKo5]

Yeah, I defiantly should have said where I got it from, that was my bad. The point of this class is to learn about the web and its workings. It's stupid he turned this first project into what it is now when for many it was their first crack at anything. Letting us know, then showing us how would have been much better.

Yes, I agree with that. He should have explained.

Perhaps this tutor thinks you will learn better if you see what happens if you don't cite sources?

Look at it this way... it's certainly not something you will forget!

[Vokbeelllicky]

Yes, I agree with that. He should have explained.

Perhaps this tutor thinks you will learn better if you see what happens if you don't cite sources?

Look at it this way... it's certainly not something you will forget!

Ha! True enough; can't argue with that.

I just worry it scared some of the less experienced (it's a 3rd year course, but can be taken by anyone in any year of CS) away from what is a very interesting, and useful, topic.

[MatueHarton]

Well... you certainly need to learn about giving proper credit to material which isn't yours.. but if it's the first assignment... I think taking it to the dean is a little extreme... he should have just explained & let you correct it or worry about it next time.

well it made em learn the importance of citation hasn't it right out of the stocks [thumbup]

sometimes the "fear" of punishment is enough to make people think twice and I bet they will remember that for the rest of their careers, cos if they don't they will land their companies in a lot of copyright infringement suits.

I bet this was done intentionally,and its all a setup and part of the course where they wait for you to fook up on day one.


they did this sort of thing during my "basic training" they wait for you to fook up on day one then get you in front of the boss then he shites all over you, and you never make that same mistake again.

very effective [rofl]

could be wrong but you'll all be reet in the end

[BegeMoT]

Yes, I agree with that. He should have explained.

Perhaps this tutor thinks you will learn better if you see what happens if you don't cite sources?

Look at it this way... it's certainly not something you will forget!

Agreed,it sounds a bit over the top, but you won't ever forget again! I have had a couple of professors at uni that are like that too, they can be a hassle; because you have to pass the class and pass the professor.

[DzjwMKo5]

Ha! True enough; can't argue with that.

I just worry it scared some of the less experienced (it's a 3rd year course, but can be taken by anyone in any year of CS) away from what is a very interesting, and useful, topic.

Yikes! 3rd year course!

Are you one of the 3rd year-ers? You should have known better

I thought this was first course / first year [rolleyes]



I'm just going in to my 3rd year at university (college for you state-side)... I knew about plagiarism rules & proper citing when I was about 12 years old lol... although that was probably because my mother's a lecturer at the local university, drilled it in to me & I remember her searching google for copy-and-paste-ers haha.

[MatueHarton]

Ha! True enough; can't argue with that.

I just worry it scared some of the less experienced (it's a 3rd year course, but can be taken by anyone in any year of CS) away from what is a very interesting, and useful, topic.

perhaps that's another way of seeing if students are serious enough and can cut it.

you guys didn't go in with a " heh were awesome and this is a piece of piss" attitude did you ?

cos it may be a strip you down a couple of pegs exercise[rofl]

[DzjwMKo5]

well it made em learn the importance of citation hasn't it right out of the stocks [thumbup]

sometimes the "fear" of punishment is enough to make people think twice and I bet they will remember that for the rest of their careers, cos if they don't they will land their companies in a lot of copyright infringement suits.

I bet this was done intentionally,and its all a setup and part of the course where they wait for you to fook up on day one.


they did this sort of thing during my "basic training" they wait for you to fook up on day one then get you in front of the boss then he shites all over you, and you never make that same mistake again.

very effective [rofl]

could be wrong but you'll all be reet in the end

Yes, I agree with that. He should have explained.

Perhaps this tutor thinks you will learn better if you see what happens if you don't cite sources?

Look at it this way... it's certainly not something you will forget!

Beat you to the point... hehe

I agree [yes]

[MatueHarton]

Beat you to the point... hehe

I agree [yes]

git

[Vokbeelllicky]

Yikes! 3rd year course!

Are you one of the 3rd year-ers? You should have known better

I thought this was first course / first year [rolleyes]



I'm just going in to my 3rd year at university (college for you state-side)... I knew about plagiarism rules & proper citing when I was about 12 years old lol... although that was probably because my mother's a lecturer at the local university, drilled it in to me & I remember her searching google for copy-and-paste-ers haha.

Defiantly should have known better for sure! (I'm 4th year ) This was the first assignment and it was easy, so I didn't give it any time really. Obviously I overlooked citing my Java logo (which, funnily enough, was added last minute for some flare). Doesn't justify my error, I know, but had I spent the time on it that I would on, say for example, my C++ assignments I would have been more particular.

Ah well, I guess it's all been done now. You guys are right though. I won't forget this! Still wish he would have told us before submitting it to the AIO. I know I would have extended that courtesy to any student, even if I was going to go ahead with the case. Just nice to know what you did wrong, which we had to pry out of him.

[Unlopssesuj]

Hmmm I wonder how many people here would be in trouble due to the content used in their sigs? [rofl]

I've always cited mine! [thumbup]

[DzjwMKo5]

Hmmm I wonder how many people here would be in trouble due to the content used in their sigs? [rofl]

I've always cited mine! [thumbup]

Heh... I'm safe... I took the photos when I was on a kitesurfing holiday in Cabarete, Dominican Republic

[Nubtoubrem]

Heh... I'm safe... I took the photos when I was on a kitesurfing holiday in Cabarete, Dominican Republic

Aye, I've never had a sig I didn't make or take myself.

[BegeMoT]

Aye, I've never had a sig I didn't make or take myself.

Where you get the pic of the leaf?

I got the images of the boards off of manufactures website, without citing.[shocked]