[Kt-viagra]

little of the back story, started just under 2 years ago with them now as my first job out of uni. doing software support for a local firm getting 12k a year, first job as a graduate

9 months later they ask me to take on a second product which i agreed to, variety in the job and they said they would review my pay.

roll on december just gone and again they said they would review my pay, then came feb and a roll came up for an it engineer at a company a mate worked for so i applied not thinking i would hear back. got an interview and went for the job but did not get but was offered the assitants job, same money as i am was on now but stayed where i was for the time being as it seemed the right thing to do

anyway finally had my appraisal a few weeks back and we discussed money and i said i was looking for a min of 14k, anyway today had the discussion from that. they said they got what i asked for and said they would up my salary to 13k at which pointed i corrected them saying i asked for 14, they reckoned i said 13 but i said 14

anyway that was the situation as was, i left it there as i am not great at on the spot confrontations. so having spent the evening very p*ssed off over this i shall be having words with my team leader, along the lines of i basically feel insulated at what has come of this. i worked over a year on the new product for no extra cash, that i feel its a battle to get anything done and to top it off i will be expected eventually to cover 2 additional products which are replacing the ones i currently support as well as them

so currently very annoyed and seriously considering my future with the company, its a shame as i do enjoy the people i work for and what i do most of the time. however they seem to give the impression they value me when speaking to them, however in this case i feel their actions speak louder than words

[ulnanVti]

14k after 2 years as a graduate? I'd vote with your feet mate. There are plenty of support jobs out there paying a lot more than that in all sorts of areas.

[Kt-viagra]

thing is area of the uk i am in is not great for this kind of position, but i am really annoyed after what happened today

[ulnanVti]

Well look for something else. There's always a better job out there if you're willing to look.

I don't mean this in an offensive way, but I'm sure you went to uni to get further up the ladder. The representative salary for the job you are doing suggests that you don't even need a degree for it. Aim higher, look for something you really want to do, or something with good future prospects.

Whatever you do, just don't stay where you are, because you're getting screwed and that will never change.

[SannyGlow]

thing is area of the uk i am in is not great for this kind of position, but i am really annoyed after what happened today

14K is a ****ing joke. Seriously get onto a job website right now and use that degree to get an entry position somewhere else. It probably won't be in what you studied to be honest, but you can get something better paying with that education. You can then make a move from there.

My first "proper" job after Uni was managing part of a chain of hotels (Studied Computing, lol), and it paid double what you are asking for right now. Seriously mate, talk about underpaid! They are taking the piss. [no]

[Kt-viagra]

thing is i graduated 2 years ago, so not sure if the length of time makes a diff in this case of not

[SannyGlow]

thing is i graduated 2 years ago, so not sure if the length of time makes a diff in this case of not

*Vomits with rage.

Get off your arse and get on a job website this second. [cursing]

[EspnaConCam]

thing is area of the uk i am in is not great for this kind of position, but i am really annoyed after what happened today

Ouch, I worked in support as an undergraduate in Bournemouth and I was on 18k...3 years ago. I got a better offer in Geneva so I moved but before I did they offered 21k If I stayed.

I think you should be looking somewhere else


*Vomits with rage.

Get off your arse and get on a job website this second. [cursing] LoL I think your sig tells the whole story

Seriously though I think that salary is a joke >-/

[DioraMoostebeers]

I'm gonna echo what everyone else has said already, you should leave now.

You are getting paid peanuts, and they are being crap about giving you a tiny pay rise. It's a no brainer, get out of there as fast as you can.

[TimoDass]

Plus, with the Experience you have from 2 years of support plus the degree you're in an even better position. If you do really like the people you work with that much, make sure the company knows you're job hunting and if you get something else, they'll have to match that wage if they want to keep you won't they? Sounds to me like they're taking advantage in quite a serious way.

[Stovegeothnon]

Plus, with the Experience you have from 2 years of support plus the degree you're in an even better position. If you do really like the people you work with that much, make sure the company knows you're job hunting and if you get something else, they'll have to match that wage if they want to keep you won't they? Sounds to me like they're taking advantage in quite a serious way.

Then have them backdate it - if you're worth it now, you were worth it then.

[SannyGlow]

Then have them backdate it - if you're worth it now, you were worth it then.

Well thats not always true. You become more valuable to a job the more you work it (if you are dedicated and generally good at it).

[ahagotyou]

I was kind of in the same position, I went from normal techie to been the second person in the server team.

There is only the 2 of us who look after all the servers, infrastructure and telephone systems. Anyway I was only on 14k when i started the server stuff, after 1yr i said i want more money for what im doing becuase i was at least doing the same job as the other guy who was on more money. It took 1yr 1/2 for me to get bascially bugger all extra money then after 6months i moaned again and now im on 20k plus working from home overtime at time and a half.

All in all im now bringing home about 25k which isnt great but IT in Hull is crap pay anyway but it does mean that my 7 years here and couple of quals mean in september i will be moving to manchester to another job. 30k + and then benefits + extra pay whilst away consulting.

A couple years of that and I can start thinking of the "big bucks" somewhere else.

As most have already said leave, I wish I had.

[juptVatoSoito]

Be realistic with yourself, are you good at your job? Do you think they can find someone to do your job as good or better than you for the same pay?

Dont kid yourself, some people think they deserve way more than what they really are. BUT having said that as others have said, if you are just plain good at your job then approach them in a polite objective manner and say that you were not happy with your pay review. - If they brush it off as nothing, start looking for another job.

EDIT: another thing I recommend you try to do is find out what other people in your position are getting paid - trust me this knowledge is power.

[EspnaConCam]

EDIT: another thing I recommend you try to do is find out what other people in your position are getting paid - trust me this knowledge is power.

Hmmm... Not extremely reliable as people (especially those getting paid more) will most likely say they are being paid less than what they really are. It's happened to me quite a few times.

[neictscek]

EDIT: another thing I recommend you try to do is find out what other people in your position are getting paid - trust me this knowledge is power.

Finding this out can be both a blessing and a curse, so be careful. if you find it out, then during your own negotiations you cannot let it be known that other employees have divulged this information. To do so will usually be a breach of that persons contract, and could lead to that person having disciplinary action taken against them.

Its much better to search online to get a feel for the going salary rate for your position. Print off some adverts etc, and have them with you during your negotiation. If needed you can literally slap them on the table and say "look, I've done my research, and the figure I'm quoting is what I believe I'm worth in todays marketplace, as evidenced by these functions and quoted rates".

Its much harder for a boss to argue with that than someone who says "well I know Mr X is being paid such-and-such an amount".

[Kt-viagra]

other thing is i feel i am pretty important team memeber, i cover 2 products so i would have to be replaced by 2 people really to cover men and then it would take between 6 months and a year to get them trained up properly

[ulnanVti]

other thing is i feel i am pretty important team memeber, i cover 2 products so i would have to be replaced by 2 people really to cover men and then it would take between 6 months and a year to get them trained up properly

And? They're screwing you, let them sort out, you won't have to train them. Listen to people's advice and find something better for yourself. It's really not that hard.

[ahagotyou]

OzGuy has a good point.

We have a guy who works with us who honestly believes he should be on lots lots more then he is now but realisticly he is probably on around about what he should be at.

I know im very good at what I do and people around me including my boss all agreed I should have been on more money before I started asking for more, dont know if that makes me sound like a to$$er but it is what it is.

I suppose at the end of the day if you left tomorrow how much of a problem would it be to them, they are not going to pay you more for something if they dont have to and at the moment they dont becuase you are excepting it.

Get another job, you never know they might have a hot bird working there waiting just for you.

[Kt-viagra]

tbh if i left they would be dropped in it, they do not have enough fully trained staff up to date in order to cope really

have pretty much decided now to start looking elsewhere, job locally going between 18-22k for a help desk analyst so going to have a go for this