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mireOpekrhype 01-05-2007 07:47 AM

Well, living in Alabama, I see it alot. But technically, that's not the Confederate Flag, this is the Confederate flag. http://www.tennrebgirl.com/images/flag_icon.jpg

The other one is the battle flag. Anyways, do I find it offensive? Depends who's flying it and for what reason. If it's flying with the other 9 odd flags of the nations that controlled the Mobile areas, than no. But if some guy is driving it around in the bed of a truck, than yeah. But for kicks and giggles, does a Brition find the American flag offensive? (dumb question, since they probably do, but for different reasons, but you know what I'm trying to say.)

spounnypneups 01-05-2007 09:44 AM

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When I lived in Indiana I worked with some people who would decorate their cars with this...

http://www.flagsonline.it/Bandiere/b...onfederate.jpg

When I confronted them about it they claimed it was just a celebration of their cultural roots... their heritage so to speak.

But as James May put it... how many Europeans decorate their cars with a nazi flag?
True, but not all Europeans have have german ancestry. In the south there is a good chance that if you throw a rock, 9 out of 10 people you hit are going to have ancestors from the south. I personally don't find it offensive. To me it seems that people take things way to seriously, always dive off the deep end when looking at things. The reason they put up that flag may not be the reason that people are getting mad over.

xanax-buy-online.com 01-05-2007 11:37 AM

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But for kicks and giggles, does a Brition find the American flag offensive? (dumb question, since they probably do, but for different reasons, but you know what I'm trying to say.)
Erh, no. Why would we?

retyopj 01-05-2007 11:44 AM

I do not find it offensive in any way.

The flag has become a symbol of ones Southerness. Just like how you will hear the rappers and gansters calling each other ******. ****** does not mean the same thing to them it orignally did. It's just a word used to relate to their hoodness.

Of couse the flag could be used as a symbol of slavery if that's what the bearer means, but then calling someone ****** could also be used in a context that would be unacceptable.

Besides, this is a free country. Who cares if people want to express their freedom with that flag? Homosexuals like to flaunt their gayness in parades and such, why wouldn't some redneck want to flaunt his redneckness in their car?
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v74ClzKY 01-05-2007 01:32 PM

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Well, living in Alabama, I see it alot. But technically, that's not the Confederate Flag, this is the Confederate flag. http://www.tennrebgirl.com/images/flag_icon.jpg

The other one is the battle flag. Anyways, do I find it offensive? Depends who's flying it and for what reason. If it's flying with the other 9 odd flags of the nations that controlled the Mobile areas, than no. But if some guy is driving it around in the bed of a truck, than yeah. But for kicks and giggles, does a Brition find the American flag offensive? (dumb question, since they probably do, but for different reasons, but you know what I'm trying to say.)
I've lived here all my life, but I never knew there was a difference between the battle flag and the confederate flag! I actually never saw a full confederate flag until tonight when I looked it up on wikipedia...

geniusxs81 01-05-2007 06:58 PM

It's a flag with a design on it.

It's only those who read into it and dive into the past who are offended.

I wouldnt be offended by a Nazi flag or whatever.

MrsGoo 01-05-2007 07:06 PM

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Isn't that the flag that's painted on the roof of the General Lee in The Dukes of Hazzard? So it can't be that offensive.....at least it wasn't 30 years ago.
haha I was thinking the same thing http://discussworldissues.com/forums...ies/laugh1.gif I do not find it offensive, and NAZI? ROFL, I think the OP is being way to sensitive. Its people like that who call the race card at the slightest little thing and actually CAUSE hostility.[dots]

Gskdmidd 01-05-2007 08:01 PM

So if it's so meaningless why fly the flag in the first place?

Wasn't general lee a general in the american civil war?

So combine the flag and the name and you have a symbol of uprising... maybe thats the point but it's certainly very ignorant.

flower-buy 01-05-2007 08:32 PM

I myself do not find the flag offensive, even the Nazi flag but I can see many others taking offense to it.

Plus then there are people who have different reasons for flying it. Some people say it is a sign of Southernhood, but remember what all that can included. Depending on how you were raised and what part of the South you were raised in, your ideas for flying that flag could be extremely negative.

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It's a flag with a design on it.

It's only those who read into it and dive into the past who are offended.

I wouldnt be offended by a Nazi flag or whatever.
I wouldn't, but I could see many Jews and Holocaust victums/families effected by be extremely offended.

Aztegjpl 01-05-2007 09:52 PM

i live in northga and people with them flags will chase me down the road playing a banjo and spiting tabacy at me

XarokLasa 01-05-2007 10:30 PM

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So if it's so meaningless why fly the flag in the first place?

Wasn't general lee a general in the american civil war?

So combine the flag and the name and you have a symbol of uprising... maybe thats the point but it's certainly very ignorant.
Wouldn't that mean general lee would be 100 years old?

geniusxs81 01-05-2007 10:43 PM

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I wouldn't, but I could see many Jews and Holocaust victums/families effected by be extremely offended.
But you just offended them by calling them "Jews".

I did a test at work no long ago that said you cant call them Jews, they are "Jewish people" ... lol, polically correctness gone mad.

hrotedk 01-05-2007 11:10 PM

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I do not find it offensive in any way.

The flag has become a symbol of ones Southerness. Just like how you will hear the rappers and gansters calling each other ******. ****** does not mean the same thing to them it orignally did. It's just a word used to relate to their hoodness.

Of couse the flag could be used as a symbol of slavery if that's what the bearer means, but then calling someone ****** could also be used in a context that would be unacceptable.

Besides, this is a free country. Who cares if people want to express their freedom with that flag? Homosexuals like to flaunt their gayness in parades and such, why wouldn't some redneck want to flaunt his redneckness in their car?
I'm 100% with this post, beside I always thought that that flag was used by the Southeners.

mireOpekrhype 01-06-2007 05:53 AM

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Erh, no. Why would we?
Couldn't you say the colonial flag represents treason?

xanax-buy-online.com 04-06-2007 02:00 AM

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Couldn't you say the colonial flag represents treason?
Whiskey Tango Foxtrot, what are you on?

You said -
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Well, living in Alabama, I see it alot. But technically, that's not the Confederate Flag, this is the Confederate flag. http://www.tennrebgirl.com/images/flag_icon.jpg

The other one is the battle flag. Anyways, do I find it offensive? Depends who's flying it and for what reason. If it's flying with the other 9 odd flags of the nations that controlled the Mobile areas, than no. But if some guy is driving it around in the bed of a truck, than yeah. But for kicks and giggles, does a Brition find the American flag offensive? (dumb question, since they probably do, but for different reasons, but you know what I'm trying to say.)
To which I replied "Why would we". Why would the British find the american flag offensive? I doubt any British person gives a crap about any flag you fly.

mas-dkt-sive 04-06-2007 02:26 AM

i don't find it offensive but i do however find it extremely ignorant. I am part black but i don't let it offend me knowing what that flag means. But when people flaunt it and or praising it that is where i draw the line. LOL indianscout some of those pics you posted are so freakin true it isn't even funny. I was born in West Virginia and some of those i could see people doing in my home state.

SpecialOFFER 04-06-2007 02:56 AM

I don't...

From Wiki:

What is usually called "The Confederate Flag" or "The Confederate Battle Flag" (actually the Navy Jack as explained above) is still a widely recognized symbol. The display of the flag is a controversial and very emotional issue, generally because of disagreement over exactly what it symbolizes. To people in the Southern United States who support the Confederate flag, it is a symbol of their heritage and pride in their ancestors who survived years of war under terrible odds and sacrifice and consider it a grave insult to stereotype those who display the flag as racist. Opponents of the Confederate flag see it as a symbol of the institution of slavery, or of the Jim Crow laws (1898-1965, after the Civil War) established by the many Southern states enforcing racial segregation within their borders for almost a century later, or even as a symbol of rebellion against the United States government. As a result, there have been numerous political controversies over the use of the Confederate Navy Jack in Southern state flags, at sporting events, at Southern universities, and on public buildings. According to Civil War historian and southerner Shelby Foote, the flag traditionally represented the south's resistance to northern political dominance; it became racially charged during the Civil Rights Movement, when protecting against desegregation suddenly became the focal point of that resistance.

I am reading the last sentence...and like most things it has gained meaning or lost it during time. I do know that the civil war and idea of the confederacy was about more than just slavery...it isn't like it was some wholly evil empire with the sole intent of a racist backwards society.

I personally would stay away from its display, just because some can take it to mean something hateful. However, I could definitely believe that the vast majority displaying it would do so as more a symbol of "rebellious" or going their own way and not as some sort of racist statement

Gskdmidd 04-30-2007 08:37 PM

Anyone else find this offensive?
 
When I lived in Indiana I worked with some people who would decorate their cars with this...

http://www.flagsonline.it/Bandiere/b...onfederate.jpg

When I confronted them about it they claimed it was just a celebration of their cultural roots... their heritage so to speak.

But as James May put it... how many europeans decorate their cars with a nazi flag?

minowz 04-30-2007 08:43 PM

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When I lived in Indiana I worked with come people who would decorate their cars with this...

http://www.flagsonline.it/Bandiere/b...onfederate.jpg

When I confronted them about it they claimed it was just a celebration of their cultural roots... their heritage so to speak.

But as James May put it... how many europeans decorate their cars with a nazi flag?
Where'd you live at in Indiana? I'm in Bloomington right now, btw.

Seeing as how Indiana was north of the Mason-Dixon line I can't understand the flaunting of the rebel flag in the Hoosier hills. Honestly, I think those people are confused as to what it really means.

I don't find it offensive, but I do find it ridiculous. A Confederate flag represents pro-slavery and secession, and personally, I feel a lot of people who present the flag are too stupid or ignorant to recognize that, or they do and are still just stupid and ignorant. [xmaslaugh]

extessarere 04-30-2007 08:44 PM

I don't really find it offensive. Not many things offend me. However, I find those very tacky and lose quite a bit of respect for the person who has one on their car. I saw a guy once that had that flag across the whole hood of his truck. I know you may be surprised by this, but the truck was a rusty POS, his wife was about 350 pounds, and he had a mullet. Also, it was at the Wal-Mart parking lot. I really wish I was making that up.


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