[cepAceryTem]

Originally posted by lord of the mark
Angry Germans

Spec.

[regfortruegoo]

Originally posted by BeBro
I wonder what the "result" of this conference will be.

The denial of the Holocaust, the Shoah. It’s the main objective of all this…
Recently, the same jerk made a cartoon contest in Iran, sponsored by state, if I'm not wrong, about the same theme. The Holocaust. Friends asked me to participate, good prizes and all… Of course, the contest became an anti-zionist fest…
Nope. I’m a “serious” cartoonist… How can I participate and legitimate this kind of bullsh*t?

Boy, I'm getting older and tired. I can't stand this kind of thing anymore...

[LottiFurmann]

It's striking how so many of the people who deny the holocaust want to make another one. One can't help wondering whether they believe their own denial or just seek to use the idea for propaganda.

[Jifyicyfuhpop]

Originally posted by DanS
I don't understand what Ahmadinejad hopes to gain by this. It kills his bargaining position outside the Middle East. you assume he seriously wants a bargain. He may not. And it strengthens his position with many mideasterners, who believe this stuff, and think he has the courage to say things their own govts wont.

[orillaVar]

Total moron

However, I have to say that he's right in that he has a right to claim that it did not exist, and back said claim up with evidence. He's wrong, and he's a moron for saying it, but I firmly believe that holocaust denial laws are the first step in a new totalitarianism. Show people that it existed; don't prohibit debate. Not only is it harmful to liberty to prohibit free speech, but it simply fuels the tinfoil hats and government conspiracy theorists, and forces the discussion underground, where it won't be in the presence of people to refute the lies.

[NADALA]

Originally posted by GePap


I doubt China, India, and Russia give a damn.

The Holocaust bears little significance for most people in Asia or Africa. To them its just another act of mass murder. They all have tragedies that are more relevant or important to them. Its not the issue it is in Europe or the US. They may not care as much about the Shoah, but the educated among them still know that holocaust denial is crankery, and cant be too impressed by him inviting the likes of David Duke. It still makes him look like a fool to them.


http://www.ejpress.org/article/culture/2276


I would also question that Russians dont care. Some of the deniers at the conf deny that there were any gas chambers, which would seem to deny the gassing of Russian POWs. Wouldnt Russians care about that?

[xFZ3k8Mw]

Diplomatic Immunity?

[gWhya5ct]

The loonies are certainly on either side of the fence:



linky-linky

"They have the audacity to think that they can prevent the Almighty from repeating a Holocaust. This is heresy."

[payloansday]

Originally posted by Drogue
While Ahmadinejad is a bit of an ass, and his we know his beliefs on the Holocaust, I don't see the problem with holding an conference of historians exploring the issue. It's an unpalitable thing, but even things we disagree with can be debated and the evidence looked at. I don't see what problem there is holding a conference on anything, however controversial. The problem is that it is a lopsided conference where poorly develop conspiracy theories are given more room than simple facts. I doubt anyone is in Tehran with mountains of Nazi documents that prove beyond a shadow of a doubt what occured.

At the end it is a political showpiece.

The only question this conference raises which I think is valid in discussing is whether the Holocaust in any way justifies the modern Israel and its history. That is a question apart from whether the Holocaust happened and its magnitude, which at this point should be beyond any real debate.

[Precturge]

Can a team of Haulocaust-asserters (for lack of a better term) be sent by Germany to lay some smack-down on the deniers? I don't think its likly they will be given a fair chance to speak but atleast making the effort will be symbolic and if denied they can point out the panels refused to hear contrary opinions.

[herrdwq]

Originally posted by Impaler[WrG]
Can a team of Haulocaust-asserters (for lack of a better term) be sent by Germany to lay some smack-down on the deniers? Then Iran should jail them for denying that the holocaust didn't happen

[MadMark]

Originally posted by Impaler[WrG]
Can a team of Haulocaust-asserters (for lack of a better term) be sent by Germany to lay some smack-down on the deniers? I don't think its likly they will be given a fair chance to speak but atleast making the effort will be symbolic and if denied they can point out the panels refused to hear contrary opinions.
There was one Palestinian(!) historian who wanted to assist the conference to clear the minds up there brining on arguments that holocaust happened. He thought, as a "true" Arab critical to Israel, they might be a bit more willing to listen. They wouldn't let him in however.

Oh, I notice, they're here: But why not these?: ?

[simmons latex mattress]

errr, why do they need conferences about the holocaust? It's over and done with. Get on with life.

[elton]

Are any Iranians opposing the conference on the grounds it insults their intelligence?

[Ggskbpbz]

Originally posted by Colon™
They probably won't allow a holocaust-denier on a European holocaust-conference either. Europe at least is on shaky moral grounds in this matter... Allow or invite? A holocaust denier WOULD be allowed at a US holocaust conference - and WE, not Germany or Austria or France, are the Great Satan after all. He probably wouldnt be INVITED by serious scholars though, for the same reason flat earthers generally arent invited to conferences on geology, etc, etc.

[Xlkl9SFd]

Originally posted by lord of the mark


Allow or invite? A holocaust denier WOULD be allowed at a US holocaust conference - and WE, not Germany or Austria or France, are the Great Satan after all. He probably wouldnt be INVITED by serious scholars though, for the same reason flat earthers generally arent invited to conferences on geology, etc, etc. LOTM, what are you trying to tell me? I was commenting on the European position on this matter, in response on a post made by a European, in a thread that deals with the reaction of a European country.

And it's hard to be allowed somewhere if they won't invite you.

[ñàéäèíã]

Originally posted by lord of the mark
The West per se allows holocaust denial, even if some euro states do not. And I was talking about Europe, not the west in general. Not sure how the confusion arose considering I specifically wrote "Europe" and "European".

[tipokotap]

*groan*

Look. Wernuzema stated that they wouldn't let a Palestinian historician argue the holocaust did happen, implying the conference doesn't allow free debate. I pointed out the reverse wouldn't happen in (the majority) of Europe either, implying that Europe's position is shaky on this matter. You replied by stating the US would allow a holocaust denier and by pointing out the US is the Great Satan to Iran. Neither of those two points contradicted anything I said, considering I specifically was talking about Europe. Therefore, your post was completely redundant as are any of your posts afterwards.

Please stop reading things in (my?) posts that aren't written there, it's immensely irritating.

[Kayakeenemeds]

It's pretty easy to see they are only doing this to piss jews off. They are just like a common internet troll.

ignore them.

[floadaVonfoli]