[career-builder]

(CNN) – The White House released President Obama's original birth certificate Wednesday.

The surprise release follows recent and sustained remarks by businessman Donald Trump, among others, that raised doubts as to whether the president was born in the United States.

White House spokesman Jay Carney is expected to speak more about the birth certificate Wednesday morning.

In an interview with CNN's Anderson Cooper Monday, Trump repeated his doubts and said he had been told the certificate was "missing."

A new CNN investigation revealed earlier this week what most analysts have been saying since the "birther" controversy erupted during the 2008 presidential campaign: Obama was born in Hawaii on August 4, 1961.

While the president has made light of the controversy, the question remained political red meat for some of his critics. A recent CNN/Opinion Research Corp. poll showed that nearly 75% of Americans believe Obama was definitely or probably born in the United States. More than four in 10 Republicans, however, believe he probably or definitely was not born in America.

The U.S. Constitution says only "natural born" citizens can become president - a vague clause that some members of the birther movement contend disqualifies Obama because, they insist, he was born outside the United States.

Skeptics contend, among other things, that Obama was born in his father's home country of Kenya.

Birth Certificate

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com...h-certificate/

[career-builder]

Even with the Birth Certificate he still isn't a "Natural born" citizen as his mother was too young to pass on citizenship at the time. His father was old enough but he was a British National.

[RerRibreLok]

All this BS over the birth certificate since he took office and before, and all it takes is Trump to say a few words. I might as well watch American Idol.

[risyGreeple]

The downside to this whole circus is that it obfuscates the real issue, that according to Vattel (whom the framers relied upon for guidance with respect to the intent of the Constitution) 0bunghole will NEVER pass as 'natural born' per Section 212 in Book I of Vattel's Law of Nations -

§ 212. Citizens and natives.

The citizens are the members of the civil society; bound to this society by certain duties, and subject to its authority, they equally participate in its advantages. The natives, or natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens. As the society cannot exist and perpetuate itself otherwise than by the children of the citizens, those children naturally follow the condition of their fathers, and succeed to all their rights. The society is supposed to desire this, in consequence of what it owes to its own preservation; and it is presumed, as matter of course, that each citizen, on entering into society, reserves to his children the right of becoming members of it. The country of the fathers is therefore that of the children; and these become true citizens merely by their tacit consent. We shall soon see whether, on their coming to the years of discretion, they may renounce their right, and what they owe to the society in which they were born. I say, that, in order to be of the country, it is necessary that a person be born of a father who is a citizen; for, if he is born there of a foreigner, it will be only the place of his birth, and not his country.

http://www.constitution.org/vattel/vattel_01.htm This is just more to undermine the Constitution until it is reduced to being a mere phantom - i.e. if the citizenry allows this shit to persist.

[RerRibreLok]

You guys do realize however that this is all BS, right? Obama is just another tool that TPTB use to control us, it doesn't matter at all if he is "natural born" or not. The government is occupied by zionist luciferians, we have been fighting in constant wars for decades if not centuries, the dollar is crashing as all fiat currencies do, we are considered terrorists in our own country, all industries that actually produce anything have been taken away, and the list goes on!

I couldn't give a fuck less where Obama was born and neither would it make a bit of difference.

[risyGreeple]

I couldn't give a fuck less about the Law of the Land and neither would it make a bit of difference.

That's *really* what you mean...right?

[incimisiche]

Better 3 years later than never, I guess.

[PhotoSHOPadob]

Just some simple observations:

No water marks
No State seal
No notary signature
Fathers Race wrong designation (African vs Negro, which I what they used at that time, IIRC)


This wont end the debate in the least.

[littlePen]

Originally Posted by Buddha

I couldn't give a fuck less about the Law of the Land and neither would it make a bit of difference.

That's *really* what you mean...right? When the US government goes back to even PRETENDING to follow this "law of the land" of which you speak, I'll make some time to get my undies in a twist about the inconsequential details, such as where the current NWO spokeshole/dictator was born.

Distraction and wedge issue is all this is, and working perfectly from the looks of it.

[incimisiche]

This also qualifies as a big FU to all the people who were claiming hawaii didn't have long form certificates and so he couldn't have released it.

[fujitsusi]

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/buster/...ovement-098513

Questions from The Smoking Gun:

• If the original document was in a bound volume (as reflected by the curvature of the left hand side of the certificate), how can the green patterned background of the document's safety paper be so seamless?

• Why, if Obama was born on August 4, 1961, was the “Date Accepted by Local Reg.” four days later on August 8, 1961?

• What is the significance of the smudges in the box containing the name of the reported attendant in box 19a?

• In the “This Birth” box there are two mysterious Xs above “Twin” and “Triplet.” Is there a sibling or two unaccounted for?

• What is the significance of the mysterious numbers, seen vertically, on the document’s right side?

• Finally, the “Signature of Local Registrar” in box 21 may be a desperate attempt at establishing the document’s Hawaiian authenticity. Note to forgers, however, it is spelled “Ukulele.”

[Anneskobsen]

I thought "long-form" birth certificates have the doctor's name/signature on them, along with actual information about the baby (measurements, etc) including little baby footprints....


Birth certificate or not, Obama is still not a natural-born citizen, and never will be.

[RerRibreLok]

When the US government goes back to even PRETENDING to follow this "law of the land" of which you speak, I'll make some time to get my undies in a twist about the inconsequential details, such as where the current NWO spokeshole/dictator was born.

Distraction and wedge issue is all this is, and working perfectly from the looks of it. This.

[Pataacculako]

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/buster/...ovement-098513

Questions from The Smoking Gun:

• If the original document was in a bound volume (as reflected by the curvature of the left hand side of the certificate), how can the green patterned background of the document's safety paper be so seamless?

• Why, if Obama was born on August 4, 1961, was the “Date Accepted by Local Reg.” four days later on August 8, 1961?

• What is the significance of the smudges in the box containing the name of the reported attendant in box 19a?

• In the “This Birth” box there are two mysterious Xs above “Twin” and “Triplet.” Is there a sibling or two unaccounted for?

• What is the significance of the mysterious numbers, seen vertically, on the document’s right side?

• Finally, the “Signature of Local Registrar” in box 21 may be a desperate attempt at establishing the document’s Hawaiian authenticity. Note to forgers, however, it is spelled “Ukulele.”

or the fact that it is a "Certified True COPY" which was "certified" APRIL 25TH, 2011....so 2 days ago, lmao

[Tazqoaap]

Interesting observation: how was that little capital M produced on a mechanical typerwriter in 1961? (Where's Dan Rather?)

[career-builder]

I hadn't caught that Mamboni, That does remind me of Dan Rather's "Bush MS Works Documents" of just a few years ago.

[lrUyiva1]

Interesting observation: how was that little capital M produced on a mechanical typerwriter in 1961? (Where's Dan Rather?)

My guess: it is probably part of the form, as AM and PM are the only choices. Just like some old paper forms that were done in the 70s and 80s will say 19__ .

Note: this is the Certificate of Live Birth, not the full-on birth certificate.

It has been confirmed however, Obama is a Keynesian!

[shemadagaswer]

The White house was fine with all the mystery around his breeding documentation until multiple books start coming out that started with investigation of this but then found and reported on more interesting information about his family's long history honey potting and spooking with the CIA and foreign governments and possible foreign adoption which would make him ineligible for office even with a proper birth certificate.

And even if born in the US, with only one US parent, foreign father adoption, his mother needed to be in the US 5 years after age 14 was the governments rule at the time (she was 18) OR for the fact he had to renounce US citizenship to become and Indonesian citizen according to Indonesian rules that did not allow dual citizenship and/or required it for adoption Phil says.

http://www.businessinsider.com/birth...l-alien-2011-4

And why would Obama spend millions to seal up and not provide the information required by congress to be president of the US, and has provided less information than I am required to to get a provincial driver's license?


'Its much like going after Clinton for sex rather than for releasing missile secrets to China.'

But is it easier to blackmail a president for his eligibility for office or wandering cigars?

[Flirigor]

Any one of us could probably find a quality forger if we looked around, you guys don't think the administration has access to some of the best in the world?

[career-builder]

Any one of us could probably find a quality forger if we looked around, you guys don't think the administration has access to some of the best in the world?

The real question is, does it match up with the state archives? Those would be on Microfiche.