[Falik]

That board game included "scruffy maisonette", "council semi" and for GO, "collect your GIRO". This is how "chavs" are defined - low social status and the limited economic power that goes with it. I'm against the English Parliament for the simple and rather terrifying reason that the Tories would always hold the majority!

[kuzbaslachek]

That board game included "scruffy maisonette", "council semi" and for GO, "collect your GIRO". This is how "chavs" are defined - low social status and the limited economic power that goes with it. I'm against the English Parliament for the simple and rather terrifying reason that the Tories would always hold the majority!

Heh, heh, heh. I'm all for it for the very same reason.

Why should the hard-working, wealthy people of England be ruled by a bunch of subsidy-dispensing, civil-serpent-hiring Scots Stalinists elected by those smack-heads north of the border?


Gie os uur frredum (pronounced Braveheart-style) !!

Acutally let me amend it, let the area within the M25 secede (albeit, allowing the oiks outside it guest-worker permits).

[pymnConyelell]

That board game included "scruffy maisonette", "council semi" and for GO, "collect your GIRO". This is how "chavs" are defined - low social status and the limited economic power that goes with it. I'm against the English Parliament for the simple and rather terrifying reason that the Tories would always hold the majority!

speak for yourself!!! I'm voting for the english democrats next election. I'm all for an English parliament - can't wait!!!

[Gromiaaborn]

'Chavs' making trouble to a skyscrapercity forumer? (Other forumers have had similar confrontations with 'these' youth aswell - keep on reading)

About 20 minutes ago.

I live in this house that is right next to a public footpath that leads to a clearing by a river. Its all lovely.

Now the weather is getting better I tend to get groups of youths coming down late at night hanging around, and they aren't a problem to be honest. Just lately though they have been making more and more noise going past, banging on the walls, the door, had my bin nicked once, doorbell ringing... all in isolation not too bad, but cumulatively its a nuisance and depressing. Alternate weekends my son is here as well, and its a worry for me that he feels safe and untroubled.

I had to call the local community police officer out a while back as they had broken through the fence at the side of the house and were tresspassing, and they were leaving shit all over the place.

Tonight some idiots decided to start banging on my door so I went outside and contronted 3 girls (one who works for me) and they reckoned thay had nothing to do with it.... so angrily I told them to get away from the house and to leave me alone.

!0 minutes later, and not unexpectedly a brick came through my kitchen window.

Obviously I just called the police, but I am so upset about this I really am... its a lovely area. Now I'm thinking I'll have to move. Can you believe it?

[ticfarentibia]

(Other forumers have had similar confrontations with 'these' youth aswell - keep on reading)

I have been following this thread (and some others at Skyscraper) and this is one of the most bizarre post I have seen. Thanks for sharing.

[Iphone]

The brats responsible should be made to pay for this damage and clean up the mess.

There should be zero tolerence for this kind of behaviour - not this crap 'we should try to understand them' and 'hug a hoodie' what a load of rubbish - what they deserve is a good slap.

Hopefully with a new government things will change.

Out of curiosity, if this happened in America, how would the police react?

[exsmoker]

The brats responsible should be made to pay for this damage and clean up the mess.

Out of curiosity, if this happened in America, how would the police react?

It would depend on the particular neighborhood you lived in: the response to crimes like this vary from place-to-place much more so in the US than they do in the UK.

We once had someone shooting out our window with a bebe gun, when the police officer came to look at the damage: he got shot in the face. They did investigate the "housing projects/council housing" across the street and caught the "kids" who were doing it - no charges were filed.

[dhrishiasv]

There's anti-social activity from teenagers in every country - it's wrong to describe the vandalism against a forumer as part of a vaguely cohesive "chav" menace. You can't simply punish individuals - there must also be an effort to address the root cause.

[liontutuxx]

There's anti-social activity from teenagers in every country - it's wrong to describe the vandalism against a forumer as part of a vaguely cohesive "chav" menace. You can't simply punish individuals - there must also be an effort to address the root cause.

They are trying to define themselves. Establish their own part in the social heirarchy. If there was an Alpha Male they would be growling at him.

Grafitti is the same thing. Hell, there are so many things like this, and it is SO strong during adolescents. It is one of the things that made our species develop. But when it has no focus, it is destructive.

All these kids need is something where they feel they have an absolute impact in society due to their participation. I think everyone wants that.

[offemyJuccete]

Erm...yeh..."I blame society"





This fine country has experienced one of the longest, broadest and deepest periods of expansion and income and employment growth in its history. While crime typically associated with socioeconomic issues has abated, petty and violent crime associated with socio-cultural breakdown has increased substantially (though obviously the media ensures the perception is worse than the reality).

As long as people go making excuses for little sub-literate thugs, things will get worse. The US went through this already and has now improved significantly. I really do wish we'd come to the same conclusions in the UK. Someone who chucks a brick through someone's window should be severely punished. End of story.

We've got a 'mixed' set of socio-economic realities on our street. Most middle-class people seem to relate to the council flats types with a mixture of anomie (they appear to be invisible to them) and fear (never call them out on anything). I've always opted for franker engagement (they're people...just with less dosh) and since I actually know who the kid's parents are...if I have to tell a kid off (only happened 2-3 times in 7+ years) I'm not some faceless posh bastard but someone who will shop them to their folks or if need be slap them upside the head. My posh neighbors look at me funny when the kids from 'the estate' greet me in the street and call me sir.

Krulltime: I feel for you; that's a shame. You might want to try Zen. It really orks.