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Old 04-07-2012, 08:25 PM   #21
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Portugal has done a lot right when it comes to dealing with drugs, but they are a long way from the drug takers paradise where there are no legal repercussions for taking drugs (which I guess most people want when they talk about legalising drugs). Unless you know something I don't, you still aren't allowed to grow/produce stuff yourself. But you won't be punished if you are carrying under a set amount, just targeted for rehabilitation.
The bold part is so inaccurate and naive that it is laughable. I already stated that drug use WENT DOWN from decriminalization and more people are seeking treatment. Don't assume things, it doesn't make you look good.

As for the second part, yes, that is why I said decriminalization not legalization, you should probably learn the difference.
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Old 04-07-2012, 10:16 PM   #22
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The bold part is so inaccurate and naive that it is laughable. I already stated that drug use WENT DOWN from decriminalization and more people are seeking treatment. Don't assume things, it doesn't make you look good.

As for the second part, yes, that is why I said decriminalization not legalization, you should probably learn the difference.
Mmm yes Americas policy on drug enforcement is EXCELLENT....

Found using drugs? Even just casual drug use with no violence or other crime? Off to jail you go! Good work!
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Old 04-07-2012, 10:35 PM   #23
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i love the usa but are drug laws suck .if ya ask me the dealers who sell the harddcore stuff should stay in jail the users forced into treatment those who smoke weed should be allowed to do so.or at least be able to take it in other ways that dont require smokeing.the smokeing part from what ive heard has the worst health effects
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Old 04-07-2012, 10:47 PM   #24
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Personally I think people should be completely free to take whatever they want.... "the land of the free" is a bit of a joke when you get sent to jail for smoking cannabis ( a natural plant that grows on earth )
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Old 04-07-2012, 10:59 PM   #25
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i have many freinds in law enforcement the story they tell me of those on crack or myth will scare they hell out of you also crazy storys from drunks.but ya hear very few bad storys about weed.other then maybe them eating there roomates fruily peppbles and ice creams.and laughing at family guy
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Old 04-07-2012, 11:18 PM   #26
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The bold part is so inaccurate and naive that it is laughable. I already stated that drug use WENT DOWN from decriminalization and more people are seeking treatment. Don't assume things, it doesn't make you look good.

As for the second part, yes, that is why I said decriminalization not legalization, you should probably learn the difference.
You were replying to sadisti's post talking about legalisation with It's already proven that everything you has said is true with real world examples. You then proceeded to provide Portugal as a good example, but it isn't an example of the kind of scenario sadisti is talking about (as you have just said yourself, Portugal decriminalised, not legalised).
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Old 04-08-2012, 12:05 AM   #27
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I'm pretty sure this entire story is BS.
i kinda have the same feeling.
the wounds look somewhat like what you´d get from A.being bedridden, B. getting a serious infection and letting it go untreated (dirty needles?) and worst case scenarios.
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Old 04-08-2012, 12:31 AM   #28
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You were replying to sadisti's post talking about legalisation with
You then proceeded to provide Portugal as a good example, but it isn't an example of the kind of scenario sadisti is talking about (as you have just said yourself, Portugal decriminalised, not legalised).
You reply to me with a bunch of pedantic crap meanwhile not addressing your own inaccuracies and assumptions.

It is an example. Decriminalization is just the first step and proves his point. Especially considering the opposite is true as well where further criminalization increases crime and increases drug use.

But you are one of those geniuses who thinks A MAN NAILED TO A PIECE OF WOOD RESURRECTED HIMSELF, so I don't really expect to have a well-thought argument with you were you actually provide evidence to the contrary.
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Old 04-08-2012, 01:19 AM   #29
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You reply to me with a bunch of pedantic crap meanwhile not addressing your own inaccuracies and assumptions.

It is an example. Decriminalization is just the first step and proves his point. Especially considering the opposite is true as well where further criminalization increases crime and increases drug use.

But you are one of those geniuses who thinks A MAN NAILED TO A PIECE OF WOOD RESURRECTED HIMSELF, so I don't really expect to have a well-thought argument with you were you actually provide evidence to the contrary.
The point I was basically making is legalisation is a long way from decriminalisation. While decriminalisation is working in Portugal, you haven't provided examples of legalisation working and you can't automatically say that things will improve (in terms of addiction rates/crime) the more you legalise just because the further down the criminalisation road you go, the worse things can get.
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Old 04-08-2012, 01:40 AM   #30
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The point I was basically making is legalisation is a long way from decriminalisation. While decriminalisation is working in Portugal, you haven't provided examples of legalisation working and you can't automatically say that things will improve (in terms of addiction rates/crime) the more you legalise just because the further down the criminalisation road you go, the worse things can get.
Do you not at least think it's worth giving it a go seeing as NOTHING ELSE WORKS.
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Old 04-08-2012, 01:41 AM   #31
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The point I was basically making is legalisation is a long way from decriminalisation. While decriminalisation is working in Portugal, you haven't provided examples of legalisation working and you can't automatically say that things will improve (in terms of addiction rates/crime) the more you legalise just because the further down the criminalisation road you go, the worse things can get.
No, it is not far off, only for people like you who live in fantasy land.

We have already seen what making substances illegal does during the era of prohibition and only the re-legalization solved the issue.

At the minimum we need to decriminalize drug use, no one can argue that.
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Old 04-08-2012, 06:57 AM   #32
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Do you not at least think it's worth giving it a go seeing as NOTHING ELSE WORKS.
And Decriminalization DOES WORK, it has already been proven.
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Old 04-08-2012, 07:21 AM   #33
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Most addicts are people who just have mental issues that they never worked out and are self medicating. Once a person realizes that the drug is never going to give them what they truly need they can begin to start the recovery process. By decriminalizing the use of drugs we can start to truly change our societies by getting rid of the crime that comes along with black markets.
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Old 04-08-2012, 07:49 AM   #34
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Most addicts are people who just have mental issues that they never worked out and are self medicating. Once a person realizes that the drug is never going to give them what they truly need they can begin to start the recovery process. By decriminalizing the use of drugs we can start to truly change our societies by getting rid of the crime that comes along with black markets.
Wow the level of naivety there is stunning
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Old 04-08-2012, 07:54 AM   #35
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if it ws me id give drug dealers the death penalty.i hate them they indirectly kill many people
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Old 04-08-2012, 08:46 AM   #36
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Wow the level of naivety there is stunning
Actually your ignorance is more stunning.

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if it ws me id give drug dealers the death penalty.i hate them they indirectly kill many people
Your crazy to want to kill people because they want to get high.
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Old 04-08-2012, 08:55 AM   #37
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lol i said the drug dealers not the users and i said it more out anger
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Old 04-08-2012, 03:47 PM   #38
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lol i said the drug dealers not the users and i said it more out anger
Don't apologise, you were right the first time - with the proviso that those executed are those who cut their drugs with hazardous substances* and those who sell/push to under 18's.

While I hate to agree with EaG, he, and the others, do have a point - for some people, the illegal aspect of drugs is a powerful attraction and they get as much of a thrill from using them as from the actual drugs themselves. Think back to your teens, where alcohol had a strong attraction as it was illegal but when you could buy it legally, it was no big thing.
Providing full information on drugs, and having a safe source, would allow those who still feel the need to try them and get them out of their system, so to speak. Sure, there are going to be those who through an addictive personality, through personal body chemistry, genetic traits, eor whatever, that may risk addiction but that applies to 'legal substances like alcohol, cigarettes, over the counter medications, etc, where we should have support mechanisms in place for those who wish to quit.
It'll be a bit harsh for those who get caught and ruin their lives, but that may well have happened anyway.

*depending on the drugs, much of the health issues and fatalities result from the substances used to cut the drugs and getting drugs of varying purity where an addict may get something much stronger than they expect.


All that said, my personal opinion is that those who use 'recreational' drugs are flaming idiots who need their heads examined, as I've seen a lot of people stuffed up by even the 'soft' drugs and others who were users of 'hard' drugs who just walked away from them.
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Old 04-10-2012, 10:20 AM   #39
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That's pretty horrific what it does. Why they don't just ban codeine tablets I don't understand? It's an essential ingredient and if you were buying it for it's proper use (headaches) then there's plenty of alternatives.
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Old 04-10-2012, 10:38 AM   #40
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i hate drug dealers so much on are street we had a few who sold to 17 and 18 year old kids. i worked with the police and got them what they deserve. they ruin lifes
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