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cymnPrayerm 01-13-2011 03:17 AM

Where Stalin left off Mao picked up
 
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The problem with this troll is that China's not really communist anymore--at least not in the places that are making it rich.

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AlistDakisa 01-13-2011 08:47 AM

It was a war-torn shithole...

rbVmVlQ2 01-13-2011 04:32 PM

I take it you've never been a student in London then http://www.discussworldissues.com/fo...ilies/wink.gif

Encannavalf 01-13-2011 04:40 PM

See this is the stupid thing about China being an economic giant. It is only so because of it's rampant population. In terms of per capita, it is abysmal...

Kotyara 01-13-2011 04:53 PM

well here we have 1960 GDP for China
http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/ec...pita&date=1960

92$ per head - but nominal... at at this point the economy already doubled from 1952, so we are talking about "less than 50$" nominal per head... which would indicate that the vaules are definitely not constant currency as indicated... but nominal... and that makes sense as at the time exhange rate was about 2.something/1, so from 119 RMB you would get about 50$ per head for 1952...

To get to today it's a facor of ~8... so about 400$ per head in current dollars - ie slightly better than Congo today...

so - not constant growth rates, but who cares, right? http://www.discussworldissues.com/fo...es/biggrin.gif

This does not detract from the argument, and that is - convert to communism or else! http://www.discussworldissues.com/fo...es/doitnow.gif

Romobencience 01-13-2011 05:05 PM

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See this is the stupid thing about China being an economic giant. It is only so because of it's rampant population. In terms of per capita, it is abysmal...
may be bad, but all the $$$ is centralized, so it is a power... and if they let their currency float like US or Europe the abysmal may even double.... this would for sure seriously impede their competitivness, and it is the main argument between the three sides... but hey... commies can play their cards in a more focused way and they are taking over. Communism for teh win http://www.discussworldissues.com/im...ons/icon14.gif

Sotmoigma 01-13-2011 06:54 PM

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Am I reading that correctly? The claim is that per-capita gdp in china was approximately 9$ (2010 dollars) in the 1950s?

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You probably misread it. The claim is that in the 1950s, nominal GDP started at around 70 billion renminbi.

sbrthrds 01-13-2011 08:59 PM

1) No, the word "constant" appears there, and the final number looks a lot like today's prices (divide by 7 to get today's USD). Therefore the 67.9bln is

pKgGpUlF 01-13-2011 09:09 PM

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...PP)_per_capita

Zimbabwe, Congo, and Burundi have 300$ or below per capita right now.

http://www.google.com/publicdata?ds=...HN:ZWE:BDI:ZAF

Google puts it at about 100$ in 1960.

JM
Apply some critical thought here, Jon. What's more likely? 10$ per capita or the fact that there is no reasonable estimate of per-capita production in an economy like China circa 1955?

tetMitshisk 01-13-2011 09:14 PM

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The website he links to labels the figures as "GDP Rmb billion at current prices". I'm guessing onefootinthegrave made a mistake.
I always wanted to use this smiley

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