[MeverikcNils]

I've heard his caddie, some athletes from other sports and lots of golfers say the things you are looking to hear. I doubt Tiger's real close friends are running to the media to talk.

As for his participation and such, I don't know how many more ways to say it. You don't know what his motivations are. Neither do I. Saying he only did certain things because he wanted us to think certain things is just false. No one can know that.

He gives money and it's "hey look at me" or only done because of tax writeoffs. You don't hear about him giving to the average Joe and he's wrong there too. He puts in time and effort into his foundation, learning center and golf clinics for kids and he's just doing it because he wants us to think he's a good guy.

We'll just have to agree to disagree....because I think you'll find something wrong or bad intentions behind anything good he does. It's no secret that I'm a fan of Tiger...so I'm likely biased the other way. But when it comes to giving time, money and effort, I'm not going to question anyone. No question Tiger is a terrible husband, but ripping him for charitable efforts is a pretty big stretch.

Tiger's caddy doesn't make any money if he doesn't carry his bags. Other golfers wont get exposure if tiger isn't playing.

Take anything golf related and throw it out the window. All I'm asking is what other then golf related things does tiger do?

I will always be skeptical of anything golf related because thats how he makes money.

I'm honestly looking for a sign that he's not all about money and winning but everything I've seen from this guy off the course up until that night has been a step in furthering his image as a good person and the best golfer to sell himself and his brand. Until shown otherwise, its all an act to me.

If there was a truly good story out there it would come out. Where's the little girls family with cancer who tiger called every now and then to cheer up coming out to support him? There isnt one. It's not so much doing "unknown" acts but rather random acts of kindness that appear to be done in true compassion rather than image building that are lacking.

[squeerisott]

Tiger's caddy doesn't make any money if he doesn't carry his bags. Other golfers wont get exposure if tiger isn't playing.

Take anything golf related and throw it out the window. All I'm asking is what other then golf related things does tiger do?

I will always be skeptical of anything golf related because thats how he makes money.

I'm honestly looking for a sign that he's not all about money and winning but everything I've seen from this guy off the course up until that night has been a step in furthering his image as a good person and the best golfer to sell himself and his brand. Until shown otherwise, its all an act to me.

If there was a truly good story out there it would come out. Where's the little girls family with cancer who tiger called every now and then to cheer up coming out to support him? There isnt one. It's not so much doing "unknown" acts but rather random acts of kindness that appear to be done in true compassion rather than image building that are lacking.

I have to ask why you think you are entitled to know whether he does random or unknown acts for others?

And frankly, I'm surprised that having a foundation that's raised and disbersed over $30 million in the last dozen years, building a $25 million education center, being involved in Make-a-Wish, often donating his winnings, etc. isn't enough to fulfill your desire to have him be more philanthropic.

Is being driven to earn a lot of money and sell yourself and your brand a bad thing? Especially in light of what appears to be a lot of giving?

Is it the "hands-on" aspect that is lacking for you? Because I'm really not following your rationale. You think he's too much "hey look at me", but yet you are upset you haven't heard more about how he gives his time and money? I don't think you give millions and millions and millions of dollars just to build that image. He's have a pretty similar image without that amount of money and time he spends.

[dushappeaps]

Call me a gold digger, but for 50 million I'll marry tiger woods for two more years

[DoroKickcrofe]

youd be saying fuck everybody if you knew how many athletes do this when they are on the road.


he cheated, BIG FUCKING DEAL, move on.

I'm not mad at him for cheating I'm mad he got caught and this will always taint a career that would have (may still if he plays) ended as the greatest golfer ever

[styhorporry]

Nothing wrong with Tiger just being Tiger.

http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/a48...am-tiger-woods

[AgindyMinnife]

I'm not mad at him for cheating I'm mad he got caught and this will always taint a career that would have (may still if he plays) ended as the greatest golfer ever

Such an amatuer in the way he handled his mistresses.

Did you hear that Mark Wahlberg said something to the effect of "he's ruined it for the rest of us" in regards to having girls on the side/wives checking cell phones, etc? I thought that was pretty telling.

[ZIDouglas]

I'm not mad at him for cheating I'm mad he got caught and this will always taint a career that would have (may still if he plays) ended as the greatest golfer ever

He will come back and he will be considered the best ever. The guy took over a year off w/ a major knee operation and came back stronger than ever, more quickly than anybody could have imagined. A little PR hit, that may very well make him a better person, and more of a Human Being in many peoples eyes will not deter him from his ultimate dream of being the best ever. Heck, he could retire today, and possibly - except for the #s - be considered that already.

[replicajoy]

He will come back and he will be considered the best ever. The guy took over a year off w/ a major knee operation and came back stronger than ever, more quickly than anybody could have imagined. A little PR hit, that may very well make him a better person, and more of a Human Being in many peoples eyes will not deter him from his ultimate dream of being the best ever. Heck, he could retire today, and possibly - except for the #s - be considered that already.

his numbers will be there I'm sure when he's done but this will forever tait him. Unfortunately for tiger this isn't Kobe version 2. Tiger was a black man in a white man's sport.

The only way for this to end well is for him to get back to golf and winning and change the way he acts - eg he's going to have to give up privacy do more interviews, appearances, etc.

[Stainditnew]

his numbers will be there I'm sure when he's done but this will forever tait him. Unfortunately for tiger this isn't Kobe version 2. Tiger was a black man in a white man's sport.

The only way for this to end well is for him to get back to golf and winning and change the way he acts - eg he's going to have to give up privacy do more interviews, appearances, etc.

Fortunately for Tiger, at least stereotypically speaking, one of the most likely groups of people to be cheating on their spouses are rich, white men...who are also some of the most common golfers.

My guess is that he loses some female fans, but for the most part, most of his fans will either stick with him or come back at some point.

[makemoneyonli]

I have to ask why you think you are entitled to know whether he does random or unknown acts for others?

And frankly, I'm surprised that having a foundation that's raised and disbersed over $30 million in the last dozen years, building a $25 million education center, being involved in Make-a-Wish, often donating his winnings, etc. isn't enough to fulfill your desire to have him be more philanthropic.

Is being driven to earn a lot of money and sell yourself and your brand a bad thing? Especially in light of what appears to be a lot of giving?

Is it the "hands-on" aspect that is lacking for you? Because I'm really not following your rationale. You think he's too much "hey look at me", but yet you are upset you haven't heard more about how he gives his time and money? I don't think you give millions and millions and millions of dollars just to build that image. He's have a pretty similar image without that amount of money and time he spends.

I dont think I'm entitled to anything dealing with tiger.

I think that if he was a truly good person, it would show more then having a charity and a building in your name.

To me there's a difference between having your name on a building and caring for people. Everything we've seen from tiger is what you'd expect which is what he's given us. He's played the role.

If you want me to believe he means it, show me something other then what I'd expect. Do I expect rich people to donate to charity? Sure, I believe that most people are inherently good and want to help others. Did I expect kid rock to read a newspaper about a pizza guy that got jumped and pay for his medical bills? No, that makes me believe that he cares more then just having his name on a building so people can see that he's a "good" person. I'm not asking for tiger to do that and say hey look what I did. I'm just asking for proof that he's done other then whats expected.

What I've said all along is that Tiger has constructed an image to make money. Doing the norm and donating roughly 5% of a Billion dollars on the surface makes it look like he cares. He's giving millions and making Billions. Any agent, pr rep, accountant, or caddy can make you look like you care.

Everybody has a right to make a living and in a capitalistic society, you have a right to as big of a slice of pie as you want. I don't disagree with that. If Tiger truly cared about kids, people, whatever, he wouldnt be out wrecking his family life while selling us this image of a clean wholesome guy and nailing anything that moves. That I don't agree with.

People can make mistakes and while it is human to err, repeated offenses are nowhere near mistakes or humane.

If he wants me to buy into tiger again, Eldrick, better come out and man up.

[Prealiitellg]

his numbers will be there I'm sure when he's done but this will forever tait him. Unfortunately for tiger this isn't Kobe version 2. Tiger was a black man in a white man's sport.

The only way for this to end well is for him to get back to golf and winning and change the way he acts - eg he's going to have to give up privacy do more interviews, appearances, etc.

I agree and I have a feeling that that is what will happen. Being single and not having a family to protect will in a way make that easier for him. It wouldn't surprise me if one his new charitable ventures will have something to do w/ Marriage Counseling and/or Domestic Abuse.

[dosyrotsbop]

Fortunately for Tiger, at least stereotypically speaking, one of the most likely groups of people to be cheating on their spouses are rich, white men...who are also some of the most common golfers.

My guess is that he loses some female fans, but for the most part, most of his fans will either stick with him or come back at some point.

*points at Ryr*

Two timer!

[AndrewBoss]

I agree and I have a feeling that that is what will happen. Being single and not having a family to protect will in a way make that easier for him. It wouldn't surprise me if one his new charitable ventures will have something to do w/ Marriage Counseling and/or Domestic Abuse.

A "Don't go clubbing" charity?

[poispanna]

I agree and I have a feeling that that is what will happen. Being single and not having a family to protect will in a way make that easier for him. It wouldn't surprise me if one his new charitable ventures will have something to do w/ Marriage Counseling and/or Domestic Abuse.

This is what I'm talking about with people expecting things. Is he going to start this new venture because he wants to or has to in order to help repair his image?

[GypeFeeshyTes]

She was a NANNY folks. Gold diggin' whore if I ever saw one. Tiger's biggest mistake here is not getting a pre-nupt.

He had one. He was going to negotiate a new one and give her more.

He needs to move on. If Elin wanted more $$$, she was only going to stay with him till she could cash out.

*Now* he can go back to his skanks, er women, without shame.

[PersonalLoansBank]

Seriously, I don't think she is doing anything wrong here. Sounds like Rip is making Tiger out to be the victim here.

Certainly he (Tiger) wasn't the 'victim'.

However, that being said there sure were a whooole lotta skanks coming out of the woodwork when they had to have known that he was married. Let's remember, those women were cheating with Tiger on Elin. They weren't innocent babes in the woods.


That many women could not have been taken in by him merely removing his ring and making up some story about the tan line it left. And so now they're all coming out of the woodwork and selling their stories to the media???

[wiweimeli]

I think this is probably the best thing for both of them at this point. Obviously his indiscretions are too big to be repaired. I am sure she will get enough out of it (and did not she already have money?) so maybe that is not the issue here. Moving on w/ their lives will be best for both of them.
Not like Tiger is the 1st High Profile athlete to get a divorce.
And a technical ? What % does a lawyer get out of something like this normally?

I agree.

They both just need to move on. And he needs to go back to being single and having his serial wham-bam-TY mam sessions. He's obviously not mature enough to handle a wife and kids.

[_tppga_]

This is best case as far as Tiger is concerned.

He was already miserable with her, based on his growing number of side whores, and she was giving him an ultimatum to be with her and quit golf.

That would just make the guy even more miserable.

It may have eventually made her more miserable too, since Tiger's enormous revenue stream would've been bone dry if he quit golf.

Not to mention, she would throw his cheating in his face every chance she got.

I don't condone Tiger's actions by any means, but now he can get back to golf and his whores if he so chooses.

He has the resources to hop on a private jet and see his kids whenever he wants.

Clearly he was too immature to get married, and its best for both parties to just move on.

Tiger will win the Masters this year by at least 5 strokes.

Count on it.

[Ufkkrxcq]

I'm not mad at him for cheating I'm mad he got caught and this will always taint a career that would have (may still if he plays) ended as the greatest golfer ever

Yeah b/c Michael Jordan having mistresses, a major gambling problem that caused him to "want to play baseball," and the potential connection to his dad being murdered tainted his legacy?

Tiger will be just fine.

Its a forgiving society, and let's not forget the majority of people who are reporting on the story are former athletes, GMs, or journalists with "sources" who are well aware this kind of stuff happens all the time.

I GUARANTEE some of the athletes you grew up idolizing had some skeletons too. They just may not have been reported on.

I think their are going to be some hecklers early on, but with golf being a "gentleman's sport," look for the PGA to back Tiger, and throw out anyone that is over the top with their jeers.

He has proven over his career to be mentally tough, and I think that is what is going to not only repair his image, but allow him to focus, and probably become more driven than ever before to be great.

Look at how fast people "forgot" about A-Rod's postseason failures and steroid use. All it took was one good/great postseason, and a ring.

Tiger doesn't owe us shit, but most people are "happy" with a simple "sorry."

[Poll Pitt]

Fortunately for Tiger, at least stereotypically speaking, one of the most likely groups of people to be cheating on their spouses are rich, white men...who are also some of the most common golfers.

My guess is that he loses some female fans, but for the most part, most of his fans will either stick with him or come back at some point.

He may actually GAIN more male fans now, as sick as that may sound.