[M1zdL0hh]

I ran into a guy that I used to play league with at another course. He was telling me about the problems this other course was having with their new management, including thefts from the locker room.

Guy said someone broke into his locker and stole a bunch of his stuff. That's a shame. (I don't let any of my equipment out of my sight anymore, and it ain't nothing)

One of the things taken was his putter. A $300.00 Scotty Cameron putter. Say what? Three Benjamins for a flat stick? Get the fug outa here! True, he used some pro shop credit, but still laid out major coin for this club.

My putter is a 20-year-old Acushnet Bullseye I took out of my brother in law's garage. You can get one just like it for about 10 bucks on ebay. Hell, I paid less than $300 bucks for all the sticks in my bag about 10 years ago. My buddy made them out of a catologue to copy the Hogan Edge series that was popular at the time.

I can almost feature paying that much for a driver, but a putter? The guy's also about a 25 handicap.

You can't buy a game, people.

[elalmhicabalp]

I ran into a guy that I used to play league with at another course. He was telling me about the problems this other course was having with their new management, including thefts from the locker room.

Guy said someone broke into his locker and stole a bunch of his stuff. That's a shame. (I don't let any of my equipment out of my sight anymore, and it ain't nothing)

One of the things taken was his putter. A $300.00 Scotty Cameron putter. Say what? Three Benjamins for a flat stick? Get the fug outa here! True, he used some pro shop credit, but still laid out major coin for this club.

My putter is a 20-year-old Acushnet Bullseye I took out of my brother in law's garage. You can get one just like it for about 10 bucks on ebay. Hell, I paid less than $300 bucks for all the sticks in my bag about 10 years ago. My buddy made them out of a catologue to copy the Hogan Edge series that was popular at the time.

I can almost feature paying that much for a driver, but a putter? The guy's also about a 25 handicap.

You can't buy a game, people.

My buddy Joe buys the newest and most expensive clubs EVERY year...

I whip his ass consistantly or DID when i golfed.

[Finkevannon]

Drive for show, putt for dough.

[Podosinovik]

Drive for show, putt for dough.

You don't have to worry about the flex of the shaft, or really much about he grip, as long as it's comfortable.

All you need to be concerned about as a manufacturer is getting the face angle right. After that, what can you put into a putter?

Oh, yeah. Marketing.

[arrasleds]

putters are funny like that, you can spend however much you want on them, but it always seems the cheap ones always are best when you need them. Mine is a Ping hand-me-down and i dont think i can switch. I wouldn't pay 300 bones for a new one either, thats what the lost and found at the course is for.

[c-cialis]

My buddy Joe buys the newest and most expensive clubs EVERY year...

I whip his ass consistantly or DID when i golfed.

Yeah, all my buddies are into these toliet bowls on a rope drivers. Mine looks like a five-wood next to theirs.

Same with balls. The ball that is the be all, end all of golf balls this year will mysteriously be outclassed by next year's model.

[flanna.kersting]

putters are funny like that, you can spend however much you want on them, but it always seems the cheap ones always are best when you need them. Mine is a Ping hand-me-down and i dont think i can switch. I wouldn't pay 300 bones for a new one either, thats what the lost and found at the course is for.

You can go to garage sales and pawn shops and get these so-called premium clubs for a song, if you want.

My uncle in Florida says the "Flea Markets" down there a rife with widows selling big-buck clubs for nothing because they don't know what they're worth. Or, maybe they do...

[sniskelsowwef]

the only way to get a specific putter to help you is to take it to a shop and have it customly fit for your body. i did this before i moved and it has made a noticable difference in my putting.

$5 dollar putter or $300 putter. all pretty much the same until you custom fit that bitch and then that $5 putter will putt better for you than that $300 putter you just took off the rack and took home as is.

[zatronanec]

Drive for show, putt for dough.

Obviously, Phila, YOU don't golf.

[juidizHusw]

You don't have to worry about the flex of the shaft, or really much about he grip, as long as it's comfortable.

All you need to be concerned about as a manufacturer is getting the face angle right. After that, what can you put into a putter?

Oh, yeah. Marketing.

This couldn't be any farther from the truth. I'm an avid golfer, and a former pro shop worker, and an owner of a few camerons (I collect them). While you are paying SOMEWHAT for the name. There's a lot more that goes into than face angle.

What makes Cameron putters so special is the feel, there is a VERY differernt feel from a milled face putter v. an insert putter, in fact not all milled faces feel the same. Try a Bettanardi v. a Cameron and you can tell the difference in spite of the fact they are both milled faces. Different manufacturers use different materials to make their putters, causing the putter to have a different feel.

On top of the face angle as you call it, there are much greater issues when finding a putter that fits your game, and it stars with Lie. There are different degrees of variations with lie, all of which can cause the feel to be a bit off and cause your stroke to get a bit loose.

you may use a bullseye, that's great, but that feel does not work for all golfers...i.e. me, I use the Scotty Cameron pro platinum and would NEVER be able to use the bullseye because the feel is not right.

Grip is also more than "somewhat" important. Remember, putting is 100% about feel (why I discussed the milled face), the grip, the size of the head, the lie, the material, the shaft all needs to feel right for you to be a profcient putter.

[DiBellaBam]

My clubs alltogether cost be around $150 at Walmart.

[iqxdvjgmat]

Here is my putter.



Cost me less than twenty bucks.

[Yyaqyped]

My clubs alltogether cost be around $150 at Walmart.

And that's all fine and dandy, but when you start getting your handicap down, you'll realize that those clubs don't provide the performance that other (generally higher priced) clubs do. For instance, I can put wicked draws and fades on my clubs with my irons, but I'm guessing I can't even come close with yours, for a multitude of reasons (shaft type, face angles, lie angle, cavity v. muscle etc.)

Some things in life you pay for the name (i.e. Polo brand shirts v. Costco brand) but not in golf. Golf is precise, golf is feel. I guarantee if you, if I measure the lofts on your clubs they will be out of whack since the preciseness is generally not there on the lower priced clubs (except powerbuilt, who makes great low priced sticks).

[teodaschwartia]

And that's all fine and dandy, but when you start getting your handicap down, you'll realize that those clubs don't provide the performance that other (generally higher priced) clubs do. For instance, I can put wicked draws and fades on my clubs with my irons, but I'm guessing I can't even come close with yours, for a multitude of reasons (shaft type, face angles, lie angle, cavity v. muscle etc.)

Some things in life you pay for the name (i.e. Polo brand shirts v. Costco brand) but not in golf. Golf is precise, golf is feel. I guarantee if you, if I measure the lofts on your clubs they will be out of whack since the preciseness is generally not there on the lower priced clubs (except powerbuilt, who makes great low priced sticks).

have not played in 4 years. Does rust and dust help?

[nicegirlflor]

I have a buddy who's father owns a course and he is the head greenskeeper. It is a beautiful thing because clubs are left lying around all the time. I tend to get most of mine from him and they are always good ones. He just leaves the crap in the lost and found. I've gotten a Big Bertha and a Ping putter from him. I only had to provide a minimal amount of oral.

[Maribellin]

I have a buddy who's father owns a course and he is the head greenskeeper. It is a beautiful thing because clubs are left lying around all the time. I tend to get most of mine from him and they are always good ones. He just leaves the crap in the lost and found. I've gotten a Big Bertha and a Ping putter from him. I only had to provide a minimal amount of oral.

Ok tell the truth, how many days worth and how torn up were your knees...

[8cyVn4RJ]

I could play the next week. When the wounds scabbed over.

[AgJ5mNXM]

And that's all fine and dandy, but when you start getting your handicap down, you'll realize that those clubs don't provide the performance that other (generally higher priced) clubs do. For instance, I can put wicked draws and fades on my clubs with my irons, but I'm guessing I can't even come close with yours, for a multitude of reasons (shaft type, face angles, lie angle, cavity v. muscle etc.)

Some things in life you pay for the name (i.e. Polo brand shirts v. Costco brand) but not in golf. Golf is precise, golf is feel. I guarantee if you, if I measure the lofts on your clubs they will be out of whack since the preciseness is generally not there on the lower priced clubs (except powerbuilt, who makes great low priced sticks).

C'mon, you sound like a salesman. Very few average golfers will see any difference in their games because of the equipment they buy. They would be much better off spending that $400 for a new driver or $300 for new putter on golf lessons.

How can the lofts on my clubs be "out of whack" if they're my clubs? I know what they do, how far they fly and what shape. It's the swing I put on them that matters.

I have well-heeled buddies that spend more on one club than I have in my whole bag. I still beat them. There's a definite psychological effect in this game about buying new equipment...don't know why it is, but guys play better with new clubs...for a few weeks. Then it's back to the same old same old...guaranteed.

The "1" handicap on my team has used the same irons since high school. He won a state championship with them. Whenever we complain about our game, he's the first to point out, "It ain't the club."

Sure good equipment maximizes your potential to play the game well. But for the vast majority of golfers, good, decent, average priced equipment is all that they need. Buying high priced stuff is delusional.

Once you get down to a 5 handicap or less, then you can worry about equipment.

[boiffrona]

C'mon, you sound like a salesman. Very few average golfers will see any difference in their games because of the equipment they buy. They would be much better off spending that $400 for a new driver or $300 for new putter on golf lessons.

How can the lofts on my clubs be "out of whack" if they're my clubs? I know what they do, how far they fly and what shape. It's the swing I put on them that matters.

I have well-heeled buddies that spend more on one club than I have in my whole bag. I still beat them. There's a definite psychological effect in this game about buying new equipment...don't know why it is, but guys play better with new clubs...for a few weeks. Then it's back to the same old same old...guaranteed.

The "1" handicap on my team has used the same irons since high school. He won a state championship with them. Whenever we complain about our game, he's the first to point out, "It ain't the club."

Sure good equipment maximizes your potential to play the game well. But for the vast majority of golfers, good, decent, average priced equipment is all that they need. Buying high priced stuff is delusional.

Once you get down to a 5 handicap or less, then you can worry about equipment.

I think you're a lot right, but somewhat wrong also. Lessons are a much better investment than clubs, but you have to have the correct tools and the pro will eventually steer you towards spending around
$1500 on clubs in his pro shop. My clubs are 1/4 inch long and one degree upright. I have a friend who is 5 degrees upright, believe it or not.

The game is hard enough without using the wrong equipment. I've got a bag full of drivers I've bought over the years. I used to hit the ball so damn high I've got everything from a 6 degree Orlimar to my current 10 degree Callaway X460 that I've only had a few weeks. My son has the 8 degree Great Big Bertha that I bought when I turned 40 and I'm trying to talk him out of using it.
This is why:
My swing was long, loose, lots of head movement, bent left arm, huge swing. I hit the ball a mile. I've shot 76 with that swing, then came out the next day and shot 93. Hell one year when I belonged to 2 clubs at the same time I shot 81 at COGC in the morning and then went to Kokopelli to play in the club championship tourney and shot 105 and withdrew in disgust.
I've had lessons from several asst. pros over the years and they helped me some. This year I'm taking lessons from the head pro, the man.
Once he got my head still, my left arm straight, and my shoulder turn correct, I had a hard time getting a low lofted driver in the air. He told me I would and I did. Hank Kuehne hits the ball farther than anyone on the tour and he uses a 10 degree driver. If you're a magician you can tee a low lofted driver big and catch it on the upswing, but I'm not that damn good.

So I'm trying to get my son to use the strong 3 wood I gave him (13 degrees) and not hit the driver. I've almost driven a few par 4 greens with my strong 3 when I was trying to play it safe. I wasn't smart enough to figure it out, the pro had to tell me and show me computer simularions of Tiger woods and how he was taking the club back shorter than I was.

Enough rambling. As far as putters go if you can get it in the hole that's the putter to use. No matter how ugly, old, cheap, expensive, or contrived. I've got a closet full of putters and that's after giving putters away to my son and son in law. I've been blessed with good putting ability most of the time, and if have 30 or more putts in a round I'm pissed.
The putters I've used most over the years are a Ping Anser 5, a Zebra, an Oddysey belly putter, and now I'm using a Taylor Made Rossa belly putter.

I'm an impulse buyer when it comes to golf equipment but I've never spent more than $100 on a putter. I thought about buying a Cameron a few times but only because it was a limited edition collector piece. I didn't.

[Eunatis]

C'mon, you sound like a salesman. Very few average golfers will see any difference in their games because of the equipment they buy. They would be much better off spending that $400 for a new driver or $300 for new putter on golf lessons.

How can the lofts on my clubs be "out of whack" if they're my clubs? I know what they do, how far they fly and what shape. It's the swing I put on them that matters.

I have well-heeled buddies that spend more on one club than I have in my whole bag. I still beat them. There's a definite psychological effect in this game about buying new equipment...don't know why it is, but guys play better with new clubs...for a few weeks. Then it's back to the same old same old...guaranteed.

The "1" handicap on my team has used the same irons since high school. He won a state championship with them. Whenever we complain about our game, he's the first to point out, "It ain't the club."

Sure good equipment maximizes your potential to play the game well. But for the vast majority of golfers, good, decent, average priced equipment is all that they need. Buying high priced stuff is delusional.

Once you get down to a 5 handicap or less, then you can worry about equipment.

Well this is exactly my point. It's about finding something that works for you. I know a 2 handicapp that uses the oldest set of pings I have ever seen. Same goes for putters, now I don't know your buddy but it sounds as if he's not a good golfer just buys expensive stuff, but for the 10 handicapp and below, it makes senese to spend money on something you use more than any other club in your bag in a given round.

Your piont that golfers should buy good decent equipment is right on. Moreover should be equipment that fits their game, (i.e. if they can shape the ball, muscle backs, if they need game improvement sticks, cavity backed).

Your lofts can be out of whack even though they are your clubs because many times we would see sets of clubs come in with a different scale of steps between clubs in terms of loft. What this will do, is give you "gaps" between clubs as most lofts are set up for a 10 yard variation between clubs. If you have improper lofts, I have seen a 20 yard variation and even worse. That's the real problem.

Example: My buddy hit his iron with his ping knockoff clubs about 170, I hit mine 160ish, but I am a MUCH better golfer. Problem was, he hit his 5 iron 180. We took it to the shop and measured the lofts, low and behold the 5 iron loft was close to being right on, but his 8 iron was multiple degrees strong.

Now he purchased a set of Mizuno irons and his 8 iron flies no more than 150.