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This Thread has the following picked up and which was not part of "
Ramar bridge a hoax " :

Mr. Vijisesh wrote ...

Great site referred , Mr.KRS
http://www.kamakoti.org/hindudharma/part3/chap6.htm

I am fascinated by the following lines :

The Brahmin relinquished the duties of his birth-the study of the Vedas and performance of the rites laid down in the Vedic tradition.

The canonical texts have it that the Brahmin must have no love for money, that he must not accumulate wealth.

The Brahmin spoiled himself and spoiled others.

The Brahmin, if he is to be true to his dharma, has to spend all his time in learning and chanting the Vedas, in performance sacrifices, in preserving the sastras, etc. People ask me: "What is the remedy today? Do you expect all Brahmins to leave their new life-style and return Vedic learning? "Whether or not I expect them to do so and whether or not such a step seems possible, I must ask them to do so( to return to their Vedic dharma). Where is the need for a guru-pitha or a seat on which an acarya is installed if I am to keep my mouth shut and watch idly as the dharma that is the source of everything is being endangered? Even if it seems not possible (Brahmins returning to the dharma of their birth) it must be shown to be possible in practice: that is the purpose of the institutions called mathas. They must harness all their energies towards the attainment of this goal.
During the years of the freedom struggle some people wondered whether the white man would quit because of satyagraha. Many things in this world regarded as not being within the realm on possibility have been shown to be possible. It is not for me to say that this(return of all Brahmins to the Vedic dharma) is not possible; to take such a view would be contrary to our very dharma. it is up to you to make it possible in practice or not to make it possible. All I can do is too keep reminding you the message of the dharmasastras.

So Is it true from the above excerpt that :

1) If the Brahmin does some work for a livelihood , he defies all shastras meaning that " He has the violated the Dharma recommended for him " by the vedas.

2) Point (1) above diminishes the chances of a brahmin reaching DESTINATION - HEAVEN , even though he adds karmic points , say by service / charity / doing other good deeds

Hence the inference will be : Oi ! Brahmana ! Leave out the materialistic world , come back to your dharma , live the lives of a YOGI , Beg alms for a living !!

Much time would've not wasted by many in this quest behind materialistic acquisitions and they would've been rather confined to a simple life , with the aid of " Bhagathi Bhiksham Dehi !"

Mr.KRS replied ...

1) If the Brahmin does some work for a livelihood , he defies all shastras meaning that " He has the violated the Dharma recommended for him " by the vedas.
Yes - because if Varna Dharma is to be believed as the societal cornerstone of our religion, the answer to your question is 'yes'.

2) Point (1) above diminishes the chances of a brahmin reaching DESTINATION - HEAVEN , even though he adds karmic points , say by service / charity / doing other good deeds
Varna Dharma is not about an individual attaining the Heavens - Ashrama Dharma is about that. Varna Dharma is for the Brahmins as a class of people learning Vedas and performing the sacrificial and other rites for the benefit of the society and if not all humanity.

Hence the inference will be : Oi ! Brahmana ! Leave out the materialistic world , come back to your dharma , live the lives of a YOGI , Beg alms for a living

Yes, this is what the Varna Dharma dictates - but this is a conundrum in modern life. This is why a thread was started (Who Are We?) here in the Forum to understand this conflict.

Mr.Vijisesh ... response !

Aren't there common ' Dharmashastras ' for the brahmins to be adhered to , common for those practicing Ashrama Dharma / having belief in Varna Dharma !

I shall go thru " Who are we !" - thread !

Thanks and Regards

Mr.Vijisesh

Mr.N.R Ranganathan ... responded ..

Mr.Vijisesh,

I think we are dealing here with a subject not related to Ramar bridge. I
have to continue my reply here since you required some details.

Srivatsa Somadeva Sarma has authored a book on dharma sastra,presently
available at Bhavani book depot, west mambalam, chennai -33.
SriVaishnava nithyanushtanakramam is published by LIFCO.
Dharmapuram Aadheenam has published a book ' Nithyakarmaneri'.
Of course the best is 'Vaidyanatha deekshithiyam' ( also called as Smriti
Mukthapalam ) and I think you may get it at Veda Dharma Sastra Paripalana
Sabha, Kumbakonam.

with kind regards