[lidersontop]

NOTE: This is not a salafi bashing thread

So i have had sisters approaching me a few times in the masjid telling me im doing something wrong... every time this has happened i went and actually checked what they were saying against a salafi fatwa website..and even according to the salafi scholars these sisters have been wrong

like for example...i was told that i should pray in the congregation because its more rewarding than praying alone....i checked this out and found

Shaykh Ibn ‘Uthaymeen (may Allaah have mercy on him) said:

The multiplied reward which is attained by praying in congregation applies only to men, because they are the ones who are called to it in the sense of it being obligatory. Hence the wording of the hadeeth is: “(the reward) for a man praying in congregation is twenty-five times greater than (the reward) for his praying in his house or in the marketplace.”

Based on this, women do not attain this reward; indeed the scholars differed with regard to whether it is prescribed for women to pray in congregation separately from the men in their houses or in schools. Some of them said that it is Sunnah for them to pray in congregation; others said that it is permissible for them to pray in congregation; and some said that it is makrooh for them to pray in congregation then i was told i shouldn't go into sujood knees first because its how dogs pray (i knew the sister was mixing the hadith about camel and dog here but i didnt say anything)

i found:

The scholars have differed as to how one should go down in sujood, whether one should go hands first or knees first. According to the Hanafis, Shaafa’is and one opinion narrated from Ahmad, the person who is praying should go down on his knees first, then on his hands. Al-Tirmidhi thought that this was the opinion of the majority of scholars, and said in his Sunan (2/57): “This is how it is done according to the majority of scholars It does seem that the sisters are maybe not very learned but whatever they have learned they are trying to pass on as they genuinely feel it is the correct way and the only way to pray...i don't think they are just attacking me because im following a madhab etc...i think they don't actually understand the whole differences thing
I don't want to get into debates with people especially if i and they are not very knowledgeable as talking without knowledge only creates fitnah...so what would be the best way in dealing with these situations without causing offence or being rude...

[tmobmobfil]

If the advice is well intentioned I normally respond with and then continue with the prescribed method of my math-hab.

It is generally extremely futile to enter into discussions.

@brother amr123 - Don't you think your method of dealing is slightly disproportionate!!!

[lidersontop]

If the advice is well intentioned I normally respond with and then continue with the prescribed method of my math-hab.

It is generally extremely futile to enter into discussions.

@brother amr123 - Don't you think your method of dealing is slightly disproportionate!!!

what if they see you the next day doing the same thing and again say it?

[soipguibbom]

what if they see you the next day doing the same thing and again say it?

Just explain to them what you have explained here. Or show them the internet resources or take them to an imam who can explain it to them.

[Kayacterype]

It does seem that the sisters are maybe not very learned but whatever they have learned they are trying to pass on as they genuinely feel it is the correct way and the only way to pray...i don't think they are just attacking me because im following a madhab etc...i think they don't actually understand the whole differences thing

As you said, most likely it's all about these sisters having read just a single book on "how to pray correctly" (the one by al-Albani..) and thus go around correcting whatever they see different from what they have learnt to be the only right way to pray, with a "good intention" indeed.

My personal assesment is that if you don't know them, just leave them aside and don't waste your time with them.
While if they are your friends, try explaining things from point one and gradually having your "halaqa" of sisters studying from reliable books etc.
But in the first case, just leave them be and don't worry...

Allahu a'lam.

[MexicoCity]

what if they see you the next day doing the same thing and again say it?

Play dumb ?
They will lose hope and will make dua for your guidance. win-win situation.
I m not joking, sometimes it might work.

[chppjdf]

walaikum musalam.

If you tell what your resources say e.t.c it will cause further problems. Your job as a muslim is to use wisdom (hikmat)

I will relate the event of shaykh zulfiqar naqshbandi (db), which I heard from another alim.

I will try to make it as brief as possible so that you understand how explaining difference of opinion should be dealt.

A woman called moulana zulfiqar Sahib (db),

Woman : "I hope you do know arabic"
Moulana sahib : "Yes I do"
Woman : "I want to ask, why do you not recite surah fatiha behind the imam? when prophet (saw) said “There is no prayer for the one who does not recite the Opening of the Book.

here moulana now knew that this woman does not understand.
Moulana Sahib : " I hope you do know arabic?"
Woman : "Yes I do, I am an arab"
Moulana Sahib : "I want to ask are you married?"
Woman : "Yes I am"
Moulana Sahib : "I want to ask have you ever in your time of marriage missed a prayer (salah)?
Woman : "Yes I have"
Moulana Sahib : "Then your marriage is not valid, as there is hadith that if you miss salah you become kaffir"
Woman : "No No.. the meaning of this hadith is different"
Moulana Sahib : "This is the same matter with surah fatiha"

Then the woman understood what is difference of opinion and was happy with the reply.

So this is how a person should use wisdom.

If you bring resources, and say "your wrong, no like that .e.t.c." This will just cause further problem, so there is no point in doing this.

I hope you understood what I mean.

[tmobmobfil]

what if they see you the next day doing the same thing and again say it?

Respectfully say the same and cotinue. If the person refuses to understand the hint then inform them firmly but politely that yo uhave your own evidence base with which you are 100% satisfied with and that you do not want to enter into any other discussion. This should stop any further questionning.

[HotboTgameR]

It appears that the Mosque doesn't have a proper Halaqah run by Ulama explaining issues thats the problem. Same as rest of UK.

You can deal with these Muslimahs and tomorrow there will be 8 more and then 16 more and so on; until you will get tired and agitated and worn out (war of attrition). First rule of problem solving is identifying the root cause.

[avavavava]

Thats the typical born again salafis. Since your the knowledgable one, present to them your reasoning in way that they are bound to accept or agree with it from the barely little idea of fiqh knowledge they have. But don't argue and just divert yourself politely away if it gets aggressive. You only need to present your good reasoning so that those baby muftis don't walk around with the assumption that your some kind of ignorant blind follower fooled by some suspicious charlaton sufi.

You can perhaps present some hadith evidence if your good at it or you can provide some good material written by some scholar on the subject or the shortest way to end discussion is by presenting the opinion of salafi scholar agreeing with you. When the later option happens their salafi jackets come off quickly and they'll think more objectively and deeper and maintain silence.

[Daleman1984]

NOTE: This is not a salafi bashing thread

So i have had sisters approaching me a few times in the masjid telling me im doing something wrong... every time this has happened i went and actually checked what they were saying against a salafi fatwa website..and even according to the salafi scholars these sisters have been wrong

like for example...i was told that i should pray in the congregation because its more rewarding than praying alone....i checked this out and found



then i was told i shouldn't go into sujood knees first because its how dogs pray (i knew the sister was mixing the hadith about camel and dog here but i didnt say anything)

i found:



It does seem that the sisters are maybe not very learned but whatever they have learned they are trying to pass on as they genuinely feel it is the correct way and the only way to pray...i don't think they are just attacking me because im following a madhab etc...i think they don't actually understand the whole differences thing
I don't want to get into debates with people especially if i and they are not very knowledgeable as talking without knowledge only creates fitnah...so what would be the best way in dealing with these situations without causing offence or being rude...

Salaams sister, very valid question

I suggest providing them with some salafi lectures on differences of opinion, so that they understand that issues like knees first or hands is a valid difference and that you hold a legitimate opinion whilst respecting the opinion they hold

the prophet SAW always used hikmah so you did very well to be patient and think through the best way to approach them rather than charging in mashAllah

Also some lectures on the importance of scholars and teh importance of laymen not trying to teach and correct people, aswell as the pledge itself that I mentioned before IF they respect the du'aat on that list

you mentioned though that your local salafis are unfortunately madkhalis though so Allahu musta'aan, very difficult people to deal with. FInd out which lecturers they listen to and ill try to dig up some lectures for you to give them inshAllah.

The reason I suggest salafi lectures is because you wont come accross as trying to convert them to anything which makes them more likely to listen to you, in the same way that if I was trying to educate a deobandi on something, providing them with deobandi lectures or fatawa will be much more beneficial than giving them salafi materials

for those salafi bashers out there, just so you know, I get this problem with hanafis too, so dont go thinking your group is high and mighty, we both have zealous people who want to do khair and tehya re our brotehrs and sisters afterall so dealing with them with rahmah and hikmah is a must, show compassion to Allahs creation and Allah will show you compassion from the heavens inshAllah

[lidersontop]

im not knowledgeable enough to enter such debates and communication is my weak point, the last time i just said "hmm im hanafi i follow the hanafi opinion"...and the girl continues saying well i have never heard of that opinion...this is the correct way etc...and i said well it does exist you can go research it....but then after that i felt bad as i may have come across a bit rude i didn't intend to say it in a rude way but i just didn't want to get into a debate....but to her it would have seemed like she's trying to give someone naseeha and the person is being stubborn and snapping at her

The thing is they don't believe differences of opinions are valid or that they even exist because they are kinda led to believe there is only one correct opinion and everything contrary to that opinion is incorrect

[neerewed]

walaikum musalam.

If you tell what your resources say e.t.c it will cause further problems. Your job as a muslim is to use wisdom (hikmat)

I will relate the event of shaykh zulfiqar naqshbandi (db), which I heard from another alim.

I will try to make it as brief as possible so that you understand how explaining difference of opinion should be dealt.

A woman called moulana zulfiqar Sahib (db),

Woman : "I hope you do know arabic"
Moulana sahib : "Yes I do"
Woman : "I want to ask, why do you not recite surah fatiha behind the imam? when prophet (saw) said “There is no prayer for the one who does not recite the Opening of the Book.

here moulana now knew that this woman does not understand.
Moulana Sahib : " I hope you do know arabic?"
Woman : "Yes I do, I am an arab"
Moulana Sahib : "I want to ask are you married?"
Woman : "Yes I am"
Moulana Sahib : "I want to ask have you ever in your time of marriage missed a prayer (salah)?
Woman : "Yes I have"
Moulana Sahib : "Then your marriage is not valid, as there is hadith that if you miss salah you become kaffir"
Woman : "No No.. the meaning of this hadith is different"
Moulana Sahib : "This is the same matter with surah fatiha"

Then the woman understood what is difference of opinion and was happy with the reply.

So this is how a person should use wisdom.

If you bring resources, and say "your wrong, no like that .e.t.c." This will just cause further problem, so there is no point in doing this.

I hope you understood what I mean.

Very useful

[lidersontop]

Brother Abufatimah....do you have any links to salafi scholars speaking about validity of different opinions?

I don't know if the sisters in question are madkhali as i don't know them on a personal level..they just attend the same masjid

[neerewed]

what if they see you the next day doing the same thing and again say it?

Don't answer them u just ask question to them do vise versa

[neerewed]

Don't answer them u just ask question to them do vise versa

Don't answer them u just ask question to them do vise versa
Don't even try to give them answers because once u will give them answer they will raise another question so it's good if they ask u question u just asked what is the proof of this question and so on so forth ju ask question to them

[SerycegeBunny]

aoa sister,

please read and understand hadrat kandhalvi's differences of the imams.
there are numerous examples in it where you can show what valid difference of opinion is and what is not.
also describes the process in brief, of deriving fiqh.
for a detailed study of who is a mujtahid you may wish to refer to shaiykh hamza yusuf's talk on that.

[Chito]

ASA,

I would just ignore them and continue praying according to the fiqh of my madhab. This has happened to me also but in Hanafee & Shafee dominated masajid (there's only handfull Hanabilah here), after some time they stop correcting. But then maybe I'm just a bit more 'thick skinned' than the average person (?)

[we0MA4MI]

what if they see you the next day doing the same thing and again say it?

sister, the best weapon against the salafi sect is SILENCE. No matter how much a person argues and debates their ears will let now sound in! just do what you are doing (as it is most definitely correct) and let them do what they are doing. also continue referring to good ulama and scholars and try to stay away from making the internet your teacher!
may allah guide us all; them and us. aameen

[blenIgnigeSef]

Play dumb ?
They will lose hope and will make dua for your guidance. win-win situation.
I m not joking, sometimes it might work.

this is what i do, saves time n works.