[MeverikcNils]

In 1973 the war between Arabs and Israel was about to start. Meanwhile an American Senator visited Israel on a special mission. He was chief of the Senate Arms Committee. A meeting with Israeli Prime Minister Golda Meir was arranged immediately.

Golda Meir welcomed him into her home, like any common housewife welcoming a family guest. She took him to the kitchen. While seating him at the kitchen dining table, she went over to prepare tea for the guest.

As the water was kept for boiling, she came over and sat on a chair near the dining table. She opened the discussion regarding planes, missiles, and guns. In the course of negotiations, she got the aroma of the brew.

She prepared two cups of tea, and offered one cup to the Senator, and another to an American guard who was standing at the gate. On returning, she came back, continued talking with the Senator. After a discussion they settled the arms deal. In the meantime, she stood up, collected all the cups, and turned to senator and said "I agree to this deal. You can send your secretary to my secretary for written deal".

It may be remembered that Israel at that time was facing a serious economic crisis, but the huge arms deal was settled by Meir with the greatest of ease in the history of Israel. It was quite astonishing that earlier, the Israeli cabinet had rejected the same deal, because they thought it would be so costly, that the whole nation would have to make do with a single meal a day, for years to come.

Meir knew about their stand, and said, "Your doubt are well founded, but if we win this war, and defeat the Arabs, history will remember us as the victors, and in history, once a community is know as the victor, it forgets how many eggs they ate and how many times they had food. Whether there was jam, honey, butter on the table, and how many holes they had in their shoes. Or whether the sheaths of their swords were new or old! A conqueror is a conqueror."

Based on Meir's solid logic, the Israeli cabinet approved the deal. Later it was proved that the decision taken by Meir was right, and the whole world witnessed the Jews knocking on the doors of the Arabs with this artillery. A war took place, and the Arabs faced a shameful defeat at the hands of an old lady.

After a gap of one decade after the war, a reporter of the Washington Post interviewed Meir, asking "Was the logic you had in your mind for the arms was spur of the moment decision or you had had an advance strategy?"

Meir's reply was very surprising.

She answered, "I got this logic from the prophet (of the Muslims) Mohammed (peace be upon him). When I was a student, my favorite topic was comparative study of religions. Those days I studied the life of Mohammed (PBUH). One author stated that when Prophet Mohammed (PBUH) died, there was not enough money to buy oil for a lamp, his wife (Ayesha Siddiqua) mortgaged his battle shield to buy oil, yet there were nine swords hung on the wall of his house.

When I read this account, it occurred to me- how many people in the world would have known about the worst economic condition of Islamic state? But everyone recognizes them as conquerors of half the world. So I decided that I would buy arms at any cost; even if we would have to starve or to live in camps instead of buildings, but we would prove ourselves as the victor".

Meir revealed this secret, but requested the interviewer to keep it "off the record", and refrain from publishing it, because if she referred to Prophet Mohammed, the Jews would have revolted against her and the Muslim position would have strengthened.

Over the time, world situation changed. Golda Meir died. By this time the interviewer had given up the profession of journalism. Meanwhile another correspondent was busy interviewing 20 famous American journalists. In connection with this, he met the journalist who had interviewed Meir as a representative of the Washington Post.

In this interview, he recounted the story of Meir that drew on the life of Prophet Mohammed (PBUH).

He said he was not ashamed to tell the story. Further, he said, "After this incident I studied the history of Islam, and was astonished to know about the savoir-faire of Arabs. Because I learnt that Tariq bin Ziyad conquered Spain through Gibraltar, while more than half his army did not have complete suit of clothes. They subsisted for 72 hours at time on water and dried bread.

It was then that the interviewer agreed with Meir's view that history counts victory; it does not count the eggs, jams and butter on the table."

When the interview with Meir was published, the whole world learned of this entire story.

This astonishing incident is history's wake-up call to the Muslims of the world. It teaches them a lesson; it reveals how 14 centuries ago, a shepherd, clad in a cloak and worn-out shoes became the leader of the world, and conquered four continents.

Could enormous castles, grand palaces, magnificent gardens, splendid clothes, adorned rest places of silk and sleepless, gold silver, boxes, gems and jewels, spread of savory dishes and the jingle of coins save them? The locust-swarm of Tartar forces did not reach the palace of Musta'sim Billah by trampling over Baghdad. What a terrible and astonishing scene it was in the history of Islam, when Musta'sim Billah was bound in chains, standing like a prisoner before Halaku Khan (grandson of Changiz Khan). And at mealtime, Halaku Khan ate in simple plates, but offered plates of gems and precious metals to Caliph Musta'sim Billah, mocking "Eat from these diamonds, gems, gold and precious metals you have collected!" There stood the Sovereign of Baghdad, helplessness, powerless, lonely, destitute, saying, "How can I eat gold?" Halaku Khan replied, "Then why you have collected all this silver and gold?"

The Muslim, whose religion calls on him to make arms and rear horses, had no reply. Halaku Khan glanced at the palace doors and windows, asking, "Why did you not make iron arrows by melting these iron nets? Why did you collect these diamonds instead of paying money to your soldiers, so they could fight bravely against my forces?"

"It was the will of Allah", replied the grieved Caliph.

The arrogant Halaku shot back, "Whatever is now going to happen with you is also God's wish".

Then Halaku covered Musta'sim Billah in a cloak and crushed him under the hooves of horses, and proceeded to make a graveyard of Baghdad.

[Clarissa]

you posted this before and i replied back then aswell: she got the wrong message. zuhd does not equate faqr due to you selling everything for weapons.

comparison between tariq bin ziyad (rh) and zionist power hungry extremists is illogical to say the least. a similar comparison would be between a surgeon and an axe-wielding psycopath.

[ManituIKOL]

you posted this before and i replied back then aswell: she got the wrong message. zuhd does not equate faqr due to you selling everything for weapons.

comparison between tariq bin ziyad (rh) and zionist power hungry extremists is illogical to say the least. a similar comparison would be between a surgeon and an axe-wielding psycopath.

No matter if she got the wrong message my brother. But the fact is that they are now ruling us. As, 6 Jewish companies are running the whole world's economy. Even this vBulletin product.

[megasprut]

you posted this before and i replied back then aswell: she got the wrong message. zuhd does not equate faqr due to you selling everything for weapons.

comparison between tariq bin ziyad (rh) and zionist power hungry extremists is illogical to say the least. a similar comparison would be between a surgeon and an axe-wielding psycopath.

Imho, this story shows the value of Sunnah. Even if infidels follow it, they'll be victorious.

[F1grandprix]

No matter if she got the wrong message my brother. But the fact is that they are now ruling us. As, 6 Jewish companies are running the whole world's economy. Even this vBulletin product.

lots of generalizations. they are in power for a variety of reasons.
and jewish company doesn't necessarily mean its israeli.

[Fksxneng]

Imho, this story shows the value of Sunnah. Even if the Kuffar follow it, they'll be victorious.

which sunnah? the sunnah discussed here is zuhd not faqr

[Jon Woodgate]

lots of generalizations. they are in power for a variety of reasons.
and jewish company doesn't necessarily mean its israeli.

Yea, you will realize this when there will be a Power-Shift from US to Israel. As, they did it from EU to US.

[BrandandGeneric]

Yea, you will realize this when there will be a Power-Shift from US to Israel. As, they did it from EU to US.

the power has already shifted brother. it is known as the jewish lobby. increasingly americans, prominent among them finkelstein and sheuer, are becoming aware of this and warning others to break away from israel.

[ONLINEPHARMACYCHEAPILLS]

America is totally in the grip of the ZOG (Zionist Occupied Government) and all politicians seeking to be President must swear allegiance to Israel and kowtow to the powerful Jewish lobby known as AIPAC

Make no mistake about it; the road to the White House go's thru Tel Aviv

[nerrttrw]

America is totally in the grip of the ZOG (Zionist Occupied Government) and all politicians seeking to be President must swear allegiance to Israel and kowtow to the powerful Jewish lobby known as AIPAC

Make no mistake about it; the road to the White House go's thru Tel Aviv

ironically its only ron paul saying US must see to this.
am i correct?

[Varbaiskkic]

ironically its only ron paul saying US must see to this.
am i correct?

Yes, he is the only high profile political figure in the U.S. who points out the tremendous influence that Israel has on America's foreign policies.

[CitsMoise17]

[B]In 1973 the war between Arabs and Israel was about to start. Meanwhile an American Senator visited Israel on a special mission. He was chief of the Senate Arms Committee. A meeting with Israeli Prime Minister Golda Meir was arranged immediately.

Golda Meir welcomed him into her home, like any common housewife welcoming a family guest. She took him to the kitchen. While seating him at the kitchen dining table, she went over to prepare tea for the guest.

As the water was kept for boiling, she came over and sat on a chair near the dining table. She opened the discussion regarding planes, missiles, and guns. In the course of negotiations, she got the aroma of the brew.

She prepared two cups of tea, and offered one cup to the Senator, and another to an American guard who was standing at the gate. On returning, she came back, continued talking with the Senator. After a discussion they settled the arms deal. In the meantime, she stood up, collected all the cups, and turned to senator and said "I agree to this deal. You can send your secretary to my secretary for written deal".

It may be remembered that Israel at that time was facing a serious economic crisis, but the huge arms deal was settled by Meir with the greatest of ease in the history of Israel. It was quite astonishing that earlier, the Israeli cabinet had rejected the same deal, because they thought it would be so costly, that the whole nation would have to make do with a single meal a day, for years to come.

Meir knew about their stand, and said, "Your doubt are well founded, but if we win this war, and defeat the Arabs, history will remember us as the victors, and in history, once a community is know as the victor, it forgets how many eggs they ate and how many times they had food. Whether there was jam, honey, butter on the table, and how many holes they had in their shoes. Or whether the sheaths of their swords were new or old! A conqueror is a conqueror."

Based on Meir's solid logic, the Israeli cabinet approved the deal. Later it was proved that the decision taken by Meir was right, and the whole world witnessed the Jews knocking on the doors of the Arabs with this artillery. A war took place, and the Arabs faced a shameful defeat at the hands of an old lady.

After a gap of one decade after the war, a reporter of the Washington Post interviewed Meir, asking "Was the logic you had in your mind for the arms was spur of the moment decision or you had had an advance strategy?"

Meir's reply was very surprising.

She answered, "I got this logic from the prophet (of the Muslims) Mohammed (peace be upon him). When I was a student, my favorite topic was comparative study of religions. Those days I studied the life of Mohammed (PBUH). One author stated that when Prophet Mohammed (PBUH) died, there was not enough money to buy oil for a lamp, his wife (Ayesha Siddiqua) mortgaged his battle shield to buy oil, yet there were nine swords hung on the wall of his house.

I had heard of this from some one and that is why I posted on the Sunnah Revival thread that it is a Sunnah to keep a weapon. After that I left the matters to scholars. Hazrat Ashraf Dokrat Sahab (DB) had replied to that in that thread.

While keeping a weapon might not be clear cut matter but there is no doubt about the other matter that Muslims should have an organized defense as well as a leader.

[ddxbovMQ]

by that time arabs not facing zionist alone, but Europe and US as well

without EU and US , zionist is nothing more than a beggar in the street

and now in US alone zionist have a huge grip on Christians, the Christian zionism, with AIPAC as main Zionist Fort, but some people starting to "wake up"

so i would say, Zionism is on the direction of extinction

[abossakon]

which sunnah? the sunnah discussed here is zuhd not faqr

She practised upon the style of Rasulullaah - even during extreme financial crisis he didn't sell weaponry. Don't look at intention. Do you hope that Israeli Jewish leader will learn zuhd from his life? No. They'll just learn how to conquer the world, how to enslave people, how to capture all the wealth etc. They won't learn what was his intention, how he ruled, how he utilized wealth.

[draigenia]

I had heard of this from some one and that is why I posted on the Sunnah Revival thread that it is a Sunnah to keep a weapon. After that I left the matters to scholars. Hazrat Ashraf Dokrat Sahab (DB) had replied to that in that thread.

While keeping a weapon might not be clear cut matter but there is no doubt about the other matter that Muslims should have an organized defense as well as a leader.

Muslims will make weapons ? Are you kidding ? They would rather save money to eat delicious chicken biryani !! And open grand restaurants across the globe !!
Check this.

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http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/show...-science-only-!!
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[DYjLN8rF]

While keeping a weapon might not be clear cut matter .

Of course , this issue of keeping weapons is a clear-cut matter. But, it was intentionally made confusing one by the puppet scholars and media minions. Check this.

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http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/show...sonal-firearms

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[sportbos]

Shaikh Pawlak I knew this was goyam mushkil wa gar na goyam mushkil situation.

Well you might remember some months back there was a thread in which we were discussing guns. Then it got closed.
Just yesterday I got the idea that after Ramadan we should talk about McMillan Brothers Tac-50 rifle. Let us see.

And this Ramadan I have not taken Chicken Biryani even once.

[aaaaaaaabbbby]

She practised upon the style of Rasulullaah - even during extreme financial crisis he didn't sell weaponry. Don't look at intention. Do you hope that Israeli Jewish leader will learn zuhd from his life? No. They'll just learn how to conquer the world, how to enslave people, how to capture all the wealth etc. They won't learn what was his intention, how he ruled, how he utilized wealth.

she didnt propose not selling her weapons, she proposed selling all else to buy new weapons. this is not the practice of Rasul Allah (SAW) as mentioned in that particular narration.

[Dwemadayday]

Shaikh Pawlak I knew this was goyam mushkil wa gar na goyam mushkil situation.

Well you might remember some months back there was a thread in which we were discussing guns. Then it got closed.
Just yesterday I got the idea that after Ramadan we should talk about McMillan Brothers Tac-50 rifle. Let us see.

And this Ramadan I have not taken Chicken Biryani even once.

Money saved from not eating chicken biryani should be used to buy weapons !!!

[Almolfuncomma]

Jews were victorious in that war,not because of arms....but because of our own weaknesses.

The great champion of Arab cause Nasir,was proudly proclaiming himself to be the inheritor of Pharaoh,while the Jews soldiers were reciting the old testament even in their trenches when free of fighting.Nasir,s full attention was to win the war through 'Soath al Arab',while the Jews were actively contemplating how to destroy the whole Arab air Force in one single strike.The motivating force behind Arabs was 'Arab Nationalism' (not Islam),for Jews it was a matter of survival of their faith,race and community.

Iqbal has very beautifully stated:

[I]"Muhammade Arabi se he Alame Arabi"

The Arab world exists because of their spiritual and emotional connection with Muhammade Arab,sallaho alai he wa sallam.

How easily this lesson was forgotten by the then Arab leaders !

Let me quote,what was written,on the death of Nasir,in 'Aljamhooria',the date Octor 1st 1970.

"The prophet of this new age has passed away.Jamal Nasir died on the same day of the year,when Tajalli of 'Meraj' was granted to Muhammad Rasoolullah saas,and He (Nasir) was invited to sidrat ul muntaha,to mend his broken heart,just like it was done for Prophet Muhammad Saas.Nasir has not died,he is on a journey to the skies like the Prophets and Quddisi,s"

"O,Jamal Abdul Nasir...O,Prophet of Arab nationalism,O,Prophet of Freedom,your name and your body reached the skies on the blessed night of 'Meraj'...you met Quddosi,s,and you became a part of those blessed souls who create life in the skies and on earth"

"O,The one,the like of whom this world has never seen,steadfast in front of problems,and mending them whenever and in whatever way he wanted"

"New Kalima La ilaha Illallah-Nasir Habib ul ah.Our ancestors used to sing your songs,you were like a dream to them,they waited for 4000 years for you,till you came"

These were just a few glimpses of the personality cult culture,in which Arabs were illogically but emotionally involved,while the Jews were preparing for the war with a cool mind.

Now let us see a few examples of how,in the emotional turmoil of Nationalism,the Arabs rebelled against Islam and the Nabuwwat of Muhammad sallaho alai he wa sallam.:

The Arab nation asked for help from Ilah,looked into the old traditions of Islam and Christinity,tried to take some comfort from the capitalist system,but to no avail...then the Arab nation took heart,raised his head and fixed his eyes on the newly born 'communist Arab individual'.

"The traditions which has made an Arab young man as a useless guy,who bows his head before taqqdeer,and who can only recite La bola wa la quasars ill a billah"

"The creation of a new Arab society demands the creation of a new Arab communist individual,who believes that ALLAH,RELIGION,CAPITALISM...in short all those traditions which ruled the Arabs,are to be put as Mummies in history museum".

Much more can be written,but I think these are sufficient reasons for an Arab Muslim nation to be put to the worst kind of defeat,not by the hands of Jews....but by our own hands,as we had gone faraway from our life source ie ISLAM