[nTDsD0aU]

Salaamu Alaikum i am quite puzzled by these quotes what do you make of them?


What he means by that is, once you have got this point, you must take from Malik!
And there is no other point of departure for the Islamic phenomenon! And Abu
Hanifa, as we will see, does not have what he had. You will see that Imam Shafi', the
excellent and distinguished scholar, had knowledge of usul, of the laws, and did not
know the hadith. Ibn Hanbal, a great and honoured man, had great knowledge of
hadith but he did not have the usul. Abu Hanifa did not have the usul and did not
have the hadith, he had Qur'an but he did not have these other two. And Malik had
Qur'an, had the usul and had the hadith!

Now we come to the heart of this matter - I am saying that what is called madhhab
and madhhabism, effectively, is unacceptable, and that if you stop with ash-Shafi'i, or
stop with Abu Hanifa, or any madhhab of any other name or claim, then you have
chosen it as a religion - because it is not the same as that based on the 'amal of
Madina. And even if it claims Malik's name and does not connect to 'amal of Madina
by conviction, by subscription, and by application, it is not this primal teaching.

(Taken from Root Islamic Education by Shaykh Abdal Qadir as Sufi/Murabitun)

[rozneesitcn]

Imam Ahmad had no usul? So how was he giving verdicts, based on the number of hedgehogs in Kalamazoo?

...Imam Shafi'i didn't know hadith? He was one of the greatest scholars of hadith of his time! He studied under muhaddithin and muhaddithin studied under him!

Imam Abu Hanifa didn't know usul or hadith or Qur'an? So the Salaf called him a falcon, but he didn't know anything? Were the Salaf praising an ignorant person who put himself forward to give verdicts?

This is strikingly ignorant.

[Alina20100]

so the great imam that hazrat ali prayed for has no usul

what has the world become today and yet there is 65 plus more to come

[Keeriewof]

Salaamu Alaikum i am quite puzzled by these quotes what do you make of them?

Moronic.

[hrotedk]

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[hrotedk]

Salaamu Alaikum i am quite puzzled by these quotes what do you make of them?


What he means by that is, once you have got this point, you must take from Malik!
And there is no other point of departure for the Islamic phenomenon! And Abu
Hanifa, as we will see, does not have what he had. You will see that Imam Shafi', the
excellent and distinguished scholar, had knowledge of usul, of the laws, and did not
know the hadith. Ibn Hanbal, a great and honoured man, had great knowledge of
hadith but he did not have the usul. Abu Hanifa did not have the usul and did not
have the hadith, he had Qur'an but he did not have these other two. And Malik had
Qur'an, had the usul and had the hadith!

Now we come to the heart of this matter - I am saying that what is called madhhab
and madhhabism, effectively, is unacceptable, and that if you stop with ash-Shafi'i, or
stop with Abu Hanifa, or any madhhab of any other name or claim, then you have
chosen it as a religion - because it is not the same as that based on the 'amal of
Madina. And even if it claims Malik's name and does not connect to 'amal of Madina
by conviction, by subscription, and by application, it is not this primal teaching.

(Taken from Root Islamic Education by Shaykh Abdal Qadir as Sufi/Murabitun)

From where you get these ???

You have any reference??

Did you investigate?

[artofeyyy]

Salaamu Alaikum i am quite puzzled by these quotes what do you make of them?


What he means by that is, once you have got this point, you must take from Malik!
And there is no other point of departure for the Islamic phenomenon! And Abu
Hanifa, as we will see, does not have what he had. You will see that Imam Shafi', the
excellent and distinguished scholar, had knowledge of usul, of the laws, and did not
know the hadith. Ibn Hanbal, a great and honoured man, had great knowledge of
hadith but he did not have the usul. Abu Hanifa did not have the usul and did not
have the hadith, he had Qur'an but he did not have these other two. And Malik had
Qur'an, had the usul and had the hadith!

Now we come to the heart of this matter - I am saying that what is called madhhab
and madhhabism, effectively, is unacceptable, and that if you stop with ash-Shafi'i, or
stop with Abu Hanifa, or any madhhab of any other name or claim, then you have
chosen it as a religion - because it is not the same as that based on the 'amal of
Madina. And even if it claims Malik's name and does not connect to 'amal of Madina
by conviction, by subscription, and by application, it is not this primal teaching.

(Taken from Root Islamic Education by Shaykh Abdal Qadir as Sufi/Murabitun)

Who said this?

[artofeyyy]

Sorry, I just saw the name at the bottom. Is he referring to Imam Abu Hanifah aka Imam e A'zam? I think he is talking about someone else bro.

[orerviche]

Nothing but unsubstantiated and partisan bias that serves no other purpose but to divide the Ummah. Imam Malik's (may Allah have mercy on him) own praises and admiration of Imams Abu Hanifah and Shafi'i are well known and the rubbish that Imam Ahmad (rahmatullahialayh) was not a Faqih was done away with epochs ago. Where this guy is getting his information from and what his motivations are God knows.

[BEKREUNSEPBERw]

Root Islamic Education is a good book, probably Shaykh Abdalqadir's best, if you ignore certain passages such as this. I dislike the Murabitun for many reasons, but I think it is unfair for people to take these quotes out of context and post them on this forum to stir up trouble. Shaykh Abdalqadir made this statement when he was fairly young, and though they may seem to smack of ta'assub, his actions for the past thirty years show that he respects and has nothing but good dealings with the Hanafis and Shafi'is.

And to clarify, he did not say that these Imams had "no usul", he is merely expressing an opinion that the Maliki madhhab has the most sound and complete usul which is a totally valid opinion for someone to hold about their madhhab.

[Keeriewof]

Root Islamic Education is a good book, probably Shaykh Abdalqadir's best, if you ignore certain passages such as this. I dislike the Murabitun for many reasons, but I think it is unfair for people to take these quotes out of context and post them on this forum to stir up trouble. Shaykh Abdalqadir made this statement when he was fairly young, and though they may seem to smack of ta'assub, his actions for the past thirty years show that he respects and has nothing but good dealings with the Hanafis and Shafi'is.

And to clarify, he did not say that these Imams had "no usul", he is merely expressing an opinion that the Maliki madhhab has the most sound and complete usul which is a totally valid opinion for someone to hold about their madhhab.

I agree with you and I make tawba for what I said previously.

[payowlirriply]

Salaamu Alaikum i am quite puzzled by these quotes what do you make of them?


What he means by that is, once you have got this point, you must take from Malik!
And there is no other point of departure for the Islamic phenomenon! And Abu
Hanifa, as we will see, does not have what he had. You will see that Imam Shafi', the
excellent and distinguished scholar, had knowledge of usul, of the laws, and did not
know the hadith. Ibn Hanbal, a great and honoured man, had great knowledge of
hadith but he did not have the usul. Abu Hanifa did not have the usul and did not
have the hadith, he had Qur'an but he did not have these other two. And Malik had
Qur'an, had the usul and had the hadith!

Now we come to the heart of this matter - I am saying that what is called madhhab
and madhhabism, effectively, is unacceptable, and that if you stop with ash-Shafi'i, or
stop with Abu Hanifa, or any madhhab of any other name or claim, then you have
chosen it as a religion - because it is not the same as that based on the 'amal of
Madina. And even if it claims Malik's name and does not connect to 'amal of Madina
by conviction, by subscription, and by application, it is not this primal teaching.

(Taken from Root Islamic Education by Shaykh Abdal Qadir as Sufi/Murabitun)

May Allah forgive this guy if he infact said this or wrote this.!

[anxpuna]

so the great imam that hazrat ali prayed for has no usul

what has the world become today and yet there is 65 plus more to come

When did Ali Radhi Allahu Anhu Pray for Abu Haneefa?

[patuvammnogoo]

When did Ali Radhi Allahu Anhu Pray for Abu Haneefa?

The father of Abu Hanifa was a young boy who once met Ali in Iraq where Ali prayed for him and his future progeny (so he technically prayed for Abu Hanifa too)

[anxpuna]

The father of Abu Hanifa was a young boy who once met Ali in Iraq where Ali prayed for him and his future progeny (so he technically prayed for Abu Hanifa too)

Please provide details concerning the story, where can I read it?

[nTDsD0aU]

May Allah forgive this guy if he infact said this or wrote this.!

Quotes where taken directly from the online version on Aisha Bewleys website.

[searkibia]

With due respect to Shaikh Abdal Qadir, he is no master of relegious scineces but we like him for reviving the concept a branch of mumalat.
I have heard same thing about some Murabit saying only Imam Ashari (RAH) view is acceptable. This bias is based on their knowledge and affiation of Interpretation of Imam Ashari and following of Imam Malik (RAH). These people often verging on madhabism which most scholars with solid grounding in tradition rejects.
I have gone through the root of Islamic education and found it to be very good. Ofcourse there are some bias views aired and is expected but as a whole it is worth going through.

[payowlirriply]

Quotes where taken directly from the online version on Aisha Bewleys website.

I still stand by my statement.

[payowlirriply]

Please provide details concerning the story, where can I read it?

Ive also read this. Dont remember the source. I think it was Imam Abu Hanifa's grandfather who accepted Islam at the hand of Hazrat Ali ra and not the father.
Wallahu alam.

[payowlirriply]

Please provide details concerning the story, where can I read it?

Btw brother im still waiting for your book.