Tafsir ibn Kathir and al-Qurtubi
 

Does anyone have links for them online? pdf preferably

Also I heard of Abdullah bin Masud (ra) and ibn Abbas (ra) who were quite good mufassareen as they spent quite a lot of time with Prophet Muhammad Salallhu alayhi Wassallam. So have their written any tafseers? or have other scholars studied under them and then they have written the tafseer of the Quran?

Tafsir Ibn Kathir, be aware this is the Darussalam print, and from what i know they print pseudo-salafi stuff, so just a forewarning.

http://www.kalamullah.com/Books/tafsirkathir.chm

The request is still open for Tafsir al Qurtubi.

In Arabic.

http://quran.al-islam.com/arb/

First volume of Al Qurtubi's (rah) tafsir by Aisha Bewley is translated. It was mentioned that the other translation was Salafi as a warning so it should come as a fair warning than that she is a Murabit. The translation is abridged and I remember reading here that unfortunately it was some matters of fiqh that were omitted.

Jazakallah khair. so does it really matter who the translation is by. the translators work should be just to translate not omit or add anything.

From Wikipedia:

Tanwir al-Miqbas min Tafsir Ibn Abbas is one of the most prominent Sunni Tafsir, attributed to Abd-Allah ibn Abbas and hence called "Tafsir Ibn Abbas" [1]. It was collected by Abu Tahir Muhammad ibn Yaqub al-Fayruz Aabadi (d. 817H). [2] My aunt has this book, in Arabic though. It's the edition published by Darul Fikr of Beirut, Lebanon.

Asslamo Allaikum,

Post by Mufti Soofi Saheb:

The chain of narrators for the tafsir is called "Silsilah al-Kizb" (Chain of lies)!

Cannot be attributed to Hadhrat ibn Abbas

http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/show...fsir+ibn+abbas

Tafseer of last Juz (30th) of Qur'aan with Introduction to Qur'aan:

http://www.central-mosque.com/quran/maariful_quran.pdf

Full Tafseer in Scanned form:

http://www.islamibayanaat.com/EMQ.htm

Please note that this is one of the few Tafseers in English Language updated/translated by a Contemporary Scholar i.e. Mufti Taqi Usmani


The other one is Qur'aan Made Easy by Mufti Afzal Hoosen Elias

http://www.islamicgoodsdirect.co.uk/...hers-book.html

uh... is that guy really a Mufti? if so, from where?

my aunt's in the last year of her takhassus under Mufti Zar Wali Khan at Ahsan ul-Uloom in Karachi and she hasn't said anything about "Tafsir Ibn Abbas" being narrated by a "chain of lies".

his post also has no explanation... i'll ask her again when she gets home to she if she knows anything else about it. :dunno: she might not have bothered to tell me anything before because i've never asked about it or used it.

you can find a translation of it online here:

http://altafsir.com/ibn-abbas.asp

is that a Shi'a site?

Tafsir Ibn-'Abbas

Attributed variously to the Companion Abdullah Ibn Abbas (d. 68/687) and to Muhammad ibn Ya‘qub al-Firuzabadi (d. 817/1414), Tanwîr al-Miqbâs is one of the most pivotal works for understanding the environment which influenced the development of Qur’anic exegesis. Despite its uncertain authorship and its reliance on the controversial Isrâ’îliyyat or Israelite stories, Tanwîr al-Miqbâs nevertheless offers readers valuable insight into the circulation and exchange of popular ideas between Islam, Judaism and Christianity during the formative phase of Islamic exegesis. تفسير ابن عباس
إن تنوير المقباس من تفسير ابن عباس المنسوب للصحابي عبد الله بن عباس (ت 68 هـ) أو لمحمد بن يعقوب الفيروزابادي (ت 817 هـ) هو من أهم كتب التفسير لفهم البيئة التي نشأ فيه تفسير القران الكريم. على الرغم من أن هوية المؤلف غير معروفة وأن هذا العمل يحتوي على الإسرائيليات ، فما زال تنوير المقباس يقدم للقارئ نظرة قيمة في تداول و تبادل الأفكار العامة بين الإسلام والأديان السماوية الأخرى عند منشأ علم التفسير.
About the Translator

Mr. Mokrane Guezzou is a British-Algerian translator of major Islamic works. He is currently preparing translations of Al-Wâhidî’s Asbâb al-Nuzûl (Aal al-Bayt Institute for Islamic Thought) and Ibn 'Atâ Allâh al-Iskandârî’s al-Qasd al-Mujarrad îi Ma'rifat al-Ism al-Mufrad (Fons Vitae). عن المترجم
السيد مقران جوزو مترجم بريطاني من أصل جزائري. حالياً يقوم بترجمة أسباب النزول للواحدي و القصد المجرد في معرفة الاسم المفرد لابن عطا الله الإسكندراني إلى الإنكليزية.
To enter Tafsir Ibn-'Abbas Click here للدخول الى تفسير ابن عباس اضغط هنا

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Salaam

the following website is dedicated to the tafsir by Ibn kathir (rh)

www.qtafsir.com

The 2 sahabas you mentioned, did have there own tafsirs but none were recorded, it was only done by there speech. later on though there tafsir was recorded. This is what i have read.

jzl

:mashallah:

This is very good news...

http://discussworldissues.com/forums...es/wasalam.gif

What about?:

Illuminated Discourses on the Holy Quran by Shaykh Ashiq Ilahi Bulandshehri

How does it compared to Ma'ariful Qur'an?

Well, I wasn't trying to gloat about it, I just meant to say that she knows what she's talking about. And that is not to say anything I post here is in any way endorsed or signed off on by her in case anyone gets the wrong idea. I'm just a layperson.

Anyway, I asked her. She said there's two versions of Tafsir Ibn Abbas, and that Tanwir al-Miqbas is the less authentic of the two. The one published by Darul Fikr in Beirut is the 'better' one, and there's no major issues with it. She said something about the Companion that this chain goes back to (forgot the name as I type this, it's on the cover below) being good (and not the same as in the other one).

I took a picture of its cover:

http://img371.imageshack.us/img371/6...1081856bl2.jpg

If anyone would like me to take a picture of any other pages, I have it on my desk here for a little while.

Jazakallah khair for the information but I have never heard of the Tafsir being called chain of lies and to my knowledge a lot of scholars have approved of this tafseer. Even Tafsir ibn Kathir said that Ibn Abbas RA was one of the best mufassareen.

Assalamu alaykum WR WB brother Muhammad Mufti,

Sorry for my ignorance, but a couple of questions:

1. What is a murabit?
2. Is that something to be warned of?

My understanding is she is accepted for her translation works and she is even supported on Sunnipath.com.

This is related to this thread as i didn't see why her work required a warning. Regarding the abridgement, which is a fair point but obviously not something to be warned off (not that you were warning of it being abridged).

This murabit issue, isn't it just a tasawuf silsila that links to Abdul Qadir as-sufi?

Asalamualykum

Mufti soofie saheb can Mufti please clarify this matter for us in further detail... I too am aware of many scholars who qoute the KITAAB tafsir ibn abbas and have heard many of them say that THE KITAAB is one of the most authentic tafsirs as they say IT IS DIRECTLY from ibn abbas (may allah be well pelased with him)

To Andy

yes Sheikh Abd al Kadir as sufi is from the leaders of Murabitun. Search the forum for more on the Murabitun or google the sheikhs name. They do have a website.

Back to the topic

Ibn Abbas (ra) was, but what Mufti sahib was saying is that the particular source mentioned is not accurately mentioned back till Hazrat Ibn Abbas (ra). The same way you have asanid (chains) back to Rasulallah (saw), the methodology is also employed for athar of the Sahaba (ra) and in this case the chain is invalid.

Assalamu alaykum WR WB brother Muhammad Mufti,

Sorry for my ignorance, but a couple of questions:

1. What is a murabit?
2. Is that something to be warned of?

My understanding is she is accepted for her translation works and she is even supported on Sunnipath.com.

This is related to this thread as i didn't see why her work required a warning. Regarding the abridgement, which is a fair point but obviously not something to be warned off (not that you were warning of it being abridged).

This murabit issue, isn't it just a tasawuf silsila that links to Abdul Qadir as-sufi? It is because of the controversy surrounding the Murabituwn. The Salafiyyuwn were mentioned and warned against because of controversies surrounding them so it's only just to also mention that the Murabituwn aren't exactly lacking in controversy themselves for a number of statements, actions and ideas attributed to the same.

I only mentioned that it was abridged to warn that if the person's intent was to learn in-depth the Fiqhi matters from it than they will want to read the 'Arabic since some were omitted.

I find it really weird how people on this forum always change the spelling...what do you gain by changing the transliteration to something other than what the group chose for itself? (i.e. Murabitun)...

I myself was interested in the Tafsir al Qurtubi translation, but as MohammadMufti mentioned, some fiqh issues were abridged, which put me off a little bit.

http://discussworldissues.com/forums...lies/salam.gif

Hadhrat Abdullah ibn Abbas http://discussworldissues.com/forums...ilies/anhu.gif was probably the best Mufassir of the Quran. No one is doubting the authenticity of tafsir made by him, rather the discussion is concerning books published claiming to be written by or directly narrated from him.

The famous book known as Tafsir ibn Abbas is "Tanwir al-Miqbas".

It is narrated from Muhammad ibn Marwan as-Suddi, who narrates from Muhammad ibn as-Sa'ib al-Kalbi who narrates from Abu Salih who narrates from ibn Abbas http://discussworldissues.com/forums...ilies/anhu.gif

The entire Tafsir is narrated through this chain.

Lets analyse the chain:

1. Abu Salih never met Ibn Abbas http://discussworldissues.com/forums...ilies/anhu.gif, yet he supposedly narrates this entire Tafsir from him!(Mizan al-I'tidal of ad-Dhahabi)
Abu Salih swore that he didn't narrate any Tafsir to Kalbi, the narrator from him. (Al-Jarh wa at-Ta'dil)

2. Muhammad ibn as-Sa'ib al-Kalbi is classified as a liar and as Matruk (abandoned) by the majority of the Mufassirin.
Hadhrat Sufyan at-Thawri says that Kalbi said to me: "Whatever I narrate from Abu Salih from Ibn Abbas http://discussworldissues.com/forums...ilies/anhu.gif is a lie!"

3. Muhammad ibn Marwan as-Suddi- He is accused of lies.


Here are statements of a few Ulama regarding this tafsir:

Imam Ahmed was asked: "Is it permissible to look at ie. read the Tafsir of Kalbi ?"
He replied: "No!" (Mizan al-I'tidal)

Allamah Suyuti mentions in al-Itqan that the chain of this tafsir is "Silsilah al-Kadhib"(Chain of lies).

Mufti Taqi saheb mentions the same in his Ulum at-Quran.

Similar statements can be found in at-Tafsir wa al-Mufassirun, al-Fawaid al-Majmu'ah etc.

See here , here and here for more details (in Arabic)
This is all regarding the famous "Tafsir ibn Abbas" called "Tanwir al-Miqbas".

As for the other lessser-known one, narrated by Ali ibn Abi Talha, it is acceptable, as mentioned by Imam Ahmed, ibn Hajr, Mufti Taqi etc.

As for:
Sadly, most scholars are unaware of which books are reliable and which ones are not. Thus, one would find them quoting many different books which are totally unreliable.

The main cause for this is that very few institutions properly teach their students proper usage of books and the library. As a result, graduates are totally ignorant when it comes to books other than what they studied.

This is a huge problem in both our Madaris and the Arab world. While some effort is being made to correct this in the Arab Universities, our Madaris have yet to wake up and rectify thisweakness.

Jazakallah khair brothers for your answers. They explained quite a lot.

Question

Which print of Allama Ibn Kathir is the most authentic? Here i am not talking about the English print, rather i am talking about the Arabic print.

As i see it there are many versions available from different printing houses. Some from India-Pak, others from Egypt and then Beirut.

I am referring to pure Ibn Kathir, NO urdu translation or footnotes, No arabic commentary or foot notes

Please assist. I am sure mufti saheb and ulama will be best to answer this especially soofie saheb since he Loves his Kitaabs http://discussworldissues.com/forums...nnah_smile.gif