[pushokalex1]

Assalamu alaikum.
What is the roal or what is it the wahabis are trying to do?
In Australia they are now buying mosques, they are knocking on doors regularly trying to convert anyone.
Why????

[Tusethede]

In Australia they are now buying mosques, they are knocking on doors regularly trying to convert anyone.
Why????

Are you really asking this?

[pushokalex1]

Look at it brother, why not just be a Sunni, they have 4 madhabs too choose from if they want to be fussy, do they just want to be be different? They call themselves Sunni dont they?
So what's the deal & why is everyone so sensitive about the topic?

[Clolmemaexata]

Look at it brother, why not just be a Sunni, they have 4 madhabs too choose from if they want to be fussy, do they just want to be be different? They call themselves Sunni dont they?
So what's the deal & why is everyone so sensitive about the topic?

HAve the salafis in Auastralia adopted the Tablighi Bussiness Model?

Although I have rarely agreed with Dr.Atis posts - this one I agree with - The answer is simple. Wahabis/Salafis truly beleive their Minhaj is correct. For the most part, they have pure intentions - and although misguided in some areas - They are well intentioned.

The best method for countering their misguided ideas is to focus on yourself and what you can do. When you purify yourself, and pefrectly immulate our Beloved Nabi , Immulate Him to the point where a sahabi would ahve a hard time ditinguishing you from him - your Noor will change peoples hearts. This is how the sahabi managed to transform the hearts of 1/3 of the known world in their life times - not through debates and bickering with wahabis or kharijis - but by simply submitting to Allah and truly Loving His last Messenger

[9Goarveboofe]

HAve the salafis in Auastralia adopted the Tablighi Bussiness Model?

Although I have rarely agreed with Dr.Atis posts - this one I agree with - The answer is simple. Wahabis/Salafis truly beleive their Minhaj is correct. For the most part, they have pure intentions - and although misguided in some areas - They are well intentioned.

The best method for countering their misguided ideas is to focus on yourself and what you can do. When you purify yourself, and pefrectly immulate our Beloved Nabi , Immulate Him to the point where a sahabi would ahve a hard time ditinguishing you from him - your Noor will change peoples hearts. This is how the sahabi managed to transform the hearts of 1/3 of the known world in their life times - not through debates and bickering with wahabis or kharijis - but by simply submitting to Allah and truly Loving His last Messenger

[Tusethede]

Look at it brother, why not just be a Sunni, they have 4 madhabs too choose from if they want to be fussy, do they just want to be be different? They call themselves Sunni dont they?
So what's the deal & why is everyone so sensitive about the topic?

The pretension of not sticking to any of the four madhabs should not worry you. How much influence does a Madhab have in the life of a person? Except for the fiqh concerning prayers , fasting ,zakaat and other day to day affairs , Madhab does not play much role in our daily lives. If Salafis claim that they can meet all the requirements of Fiqh without following a Madhab , it should not bother anyone. If they err , its between them and Allah. Most of their Fiqh already resembles the Shafi and Hanbali fiqh so it should not concern those who follow a Madhab and say that all four schools are valid.

It takes a hard time accepting the fact that the various Salafi orginizations and individuals have set up a dynamic Dawaah through out the world and their positive influence is growing day by day. Those who are not Salafis should either accept the validity of Salafi school or should install a parallel Dawaah effort. I think they are far from both.

[pushokalex1]

I know what your saying brother, I'm not saying I'm anyone to question them... What I am saying is they are creating alot of hate between Sunni & Shia Muslims when there is no need for it.
As an example my Iraqi neighbors both Shia & Sunni have told me before the wahabi movement came to iraq they used to live together in peace, there used to be some marriages between Shia/Sunni, now they are full of hate & killing each other.
There are many stories about them in Australia & they are very very violent people.

[stunnyravytal]

I know what your saying brother, I'm not saying I'm anyone to question them... What I am saying is they are creating alot of hate between Sunni & Shia Muslims when there is no need for it.
As an example my Iraqi neighbors both Shia & Sunni have told me before the wahabi movement came to iraq they used to live together in peace, there used to be some marriages between Shia/Sunni, now they are full of hate & killing each other.
There are many stories about them in Australia & they are very very violent people.

There's no need for it when they're cursing your mother right?

[Adfcvkdg]

Wa 'alaykumus salam.

Because they are afraid of the spreading of ahlus sunnah wal jamaah's so called "bid'ah".
They've converted many Sufis in UK to Salafis.
We should do something as the Salafis are getting spread around Australia.

[DoctorNelsonOnten]

when looking at the points of the salafis and shias if you stand more close to the shias then you need to look at your aqidah. The salafis aren't violent people and neither are they a different religion their dawah is pretty effective, there is a lot of false propoganda on the news against salafis and pro- fake sufis, different salafis are different though they tend to be very active in promoting deen to non-muslims and seem very practising.

[AndreasLV]

salafis are the least of your worries brother. I wonder, if we were to look at teh proportion of barelwis and deobandis who became salafi, and the proprtion of barelwis and deobandis who went to university and started clubbing and took off the hijab and started drinking alcohol and knows literally nothing about the rleigion, if you were to look at teh proportion of muslims who are dangerously close to becoming non muslim, if you were to look at the proportion who want to emulate 50cent and who carry guns and hang out in gangs, i wonder which one would be the bigger of the two problems. i know what the answer is in my locality. i can certainly say that salafis bring about more good than harm, as do deobandis/tablighees, and i have better things to do than argue about where the qibla would be if i was on the moon when the ummah is facing catastrophic destruction from every angle. every superpower in the world is occupying some of our lands, russia (chchnya), china (xinjiang), india (kashmir), palstine (yehuuds), afganistan and iraq(europe and america and canada and australia), and the list goes on. Billions is spent on propaganda trying to cause a mass movement of apostates, like the ex muslim council of britain, and sites trying to find every bit of "dirt" they can find on islam and spreading it on websites. when a non muslim or jaahil muslim wants to find more about islam now and googles it, teh first thing he see's are websites calling the prophet a peadophile (aoudhu billah), and how many jaahil muslims and potential muslims who see this are put off islam (I thank ALlah that these sites never reached me 3 years ago when I decided to research islam, the kuffar werent so strong in their propaganda back then, dread to think what would happen if i just find islam now), we should be pouring money into defending islam, purchasing google thinger majigges so that islamic sites trump anti islamic sites in google searches, wallahi we have so much work to do, I would even go as far as to say that barelwis are not a big issue right now as most are jaahil and would probabily end up joining deobandi or salafi efforts without any arguements or debates if we had active and efficient activities and events like jamaa'at and iera conferences and such like.

[pushokalex1]

Please understand that I'm not questioning their ways or beliefs, but more simply questioning who they are, how they came about etc...
What is a salafi that you all speak of? Sorry for my lack of knowledge.. I am hanafi and concentrate on learning the teachings of this madhab. But everyone is speaking of these wahabis, many bad stories and it makes me wonder why?
Just wanted to know what others thoughts where and are they Sunni Muslim or another sect altogether?
I'm sorry if I confused anyone...

[DoctorNelsonOnten]

salafis are sunnis though you'll get a lot of shias and barelwis saying they're not.

[AdobebePhoto]

Slm,

'Salafees' are sunni muslims who reject or only partialy make taqleed. 'Wahabi' is a layman's term to describe them as they share similarities with Sh. Muhammad Ibn Abd-al-Wahhab (RAH) and his movement who was a reformer/purifier of the deen. Traditional scholars from Ahle Sunnah Wal Jamaah hold that some of their beliefs are deviant (but does not take them out of Islaam.) Their aqeeda may also differ from Ashari/Maturidi schools of thought and they are close to the beliefs of some Hanbaliya scholars past and present.

[SasortFkire]

I know what your saying brother, I'm not saying I'm anyone to question them... What I am saying is they are creating alot of hate between Sunni & Shia Muslims when there is no need for it.
As an example my Iraqi neighbors both Shia & Sunni have told me before the wahabi movement came to iraq they used to live together in peace, there used to be some marriages between Shia/Sunni, now they are full of hate & killing each other.
There are many stories about them in Australia & they are very very violent people.

That of "bad wahhabis" creating fitna between "Sunni and Shi'ah Muslim brothers" is an hoax made up by Shi'ah trying to show that only the Wahhabis/Salafis make takfir on them and fight them; this to impress upon the Sunni laymen the idea that the takfir on Shi'ah is only a prerogative of modern Salafi/Wahhabi Muslims and until now, Sunni and "Shi'ah Muslims" have peacefully coexisted and loved each other.
That's far from the truth, and it has always been a prerogative of the whole (Sunni) Islamic world to consider the Shi'ah (according to their belief) either misguided or out of the folds of Islam altogether.

Don't be mislead by Shi'ah propaganda, brother.

[Adfcvkdg]

salafis are sunnis though you'll get a lot of shias and barelwis saying they're not.

Your statement is totally wrong. In my country, we, the ahlus sunnah wal jamaah, ourselves declare that Salafis are not from us. We hate them just like they hate us. They are NOT Sunnis. Thanks.

[desmond001]

Your statement is totally wrong. In my country, we, the ahlus sunnah wal jamaah, ourselves declare that Salafis are not from us. We hate them just like they hate us. They are NOT Sunnis. Thanks.

brother, are you serious? the salafis are sunni.. and no they don't hate us.

[AdobebePhoto]

I greet you with Assalamu Alaikum.

'Hate' is not a characteristic of the muslim brotherhood upon one another. From my experience it's mostly the Shia and deviant Sufi types (not proper mureeds of tasawwuf) but the Shia and kuffar loving types that 'hate' the so called 'Salafees'. What is your definition of a 'sunni' (would be interesting to know before we continue with this discussion.)

[Adfcvkdg]

brother, are you serious? the salafis are sunni.. and no they don't hate us.

They are NOT Sunnis. We hate them because they are trying to disapprove sunnah which they categorized as bid'ah. Let's not talk about Sufism for a while. Let's just talk about the Muslim community in general. These Salafis say that reciting Ya-Sin on Thursday night is a bid'ah. They say that tahlil is a bid'ah. They say that talqin is a bid'ah. They say that qunut is a bid'ah. They say that wiping your face after salat is a bid'ah. Saying "taqaballahu minna wa minkum" after salat is a bid'ah. Tawassul is a bid'ah. In fact, those are all sunnah (except for wiping the face, that is mubah). How come sunnah can become bid'ah? If someone disapprove al-Qur'an and sunnah, that means he is a kafir (just saying). Plus, what we hate about Wahhabi is that they believe in Sky God. We can't accept them in our society.

[AdobebePhoto]

I greet you with Assalamu Alaikum.

An act can be seen as bidah when it is practised as if it is a fard (not as a sunnah, in simple terms some sunnah acts were done at certain times (agreed) but not all the time.) It is not the majority opinion of 'Salafees' (they are also fragmented) to believe in a 'Sky God'...this is mostly propaganda to discredit them in front of laymen. What country do you hail from (maybe I will see the context of your reservations/anomosity towards your muslim brothers?)