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**DaleJrGirl** · 10-01-2011, 05:09 PM

Awlaqi killing reignites US debate on rights
By Rob Lever | AFP – 11 hrs ago

The killing of US-born Al-Qaeda cleric Anwar al-Awlaqi has renewed the debate over how far Washington can go in hunting down and assassinating alleged terror suspects who are American citizens.

Awlaqi, killed in Yemen with several other suspected militants, had been at the center of a court case filed last year challenging the US government's right to target its own citizens for assassination which highlighted questions about constitutional rights.

US President Barack Obama on Friday said the killing of Awlaqi was a "major blow" to Al-Qaeda, adding it marked a "milestone in the broader effort to defeat" the terror network.

And many US lawmakers and other Americans cheered the news of Awlaqi's death, but civil rights backers said the case raises serious questions.

Glenn Greenwald, a lawyer and commentator, said there had been no effort to indict Awlaqi on any crimes and that there was "substantial doubt" about his involvement in any attacks against the US.

"He was simply ordered killed by the president: his judge, jury and executioner," Greenwald wrote on Salon.com.

"What's most amazing is that its citizens will not merely refrain from objecting, but will stand and cheer the US government's new power to assassinate their fellow citizens, far from any battlefield, literally without a shred of due process," he added.Last year, civil liberties groups filed a lawsuit on behalf of the cleric's father, Nasser al-Awlaqi, saying it was unconstitutional for the CIA to order the death of an American citizen without due process.

A judge dismissed the case without ruling on the merit of the suit, but said it raises serious constitutional issues.

"Can (the president) order the assassination of a US citizen without first affording him any form of judicial process whatsoever, based on the mere assertion that he is a dangerous member of a terrorist organization?" US District Judge John Bates wrote in December.

Pardiss Kebriaei, an attorney at the the Center Constitutional Rights who worked on the lawsuit, said that if Awlaqi were indeed killed by US forces or with their help, it would be illegal.

"If it was in the absence of imminent threat of deadly harm, this was an illegal killing under the US constitution and international law," she told AFP.

"We have serious questions and concerns about the circumstances of the killing, the standards that were applied, and would call for an immediate investigation" by an independent party, she added.

In April 2010, President Barack Obama's administration had taken the rare step of authorizing the targeted killing of Awlaqi, after US intelligence agencies linked him to attacks.

Ari Fleischer, who was spokesman for former president George W. Bush, said the action shows the need for aggressive actions in the fight on terrorism.

"I wonder if the Bush-violated-the-Constitution crowd will decry the killing of an American w/o a trial via drone??" he said in a Twitter message.

Despite the legal questions, many members of Congress hailed the killing of Awlaqi, who was born in New Mexico and became an Internet phenomenon by producing video and audio recordings in fluent English to lure Westerners into militant actions.
Republican Representative Peter King, chairman of the House Committee on Homeland Security, called Awlaqi's killing "a great success in our fight against Al-Qaeda and its affiliates."

"He fueled hate against America, and we are safer because al-Awlaqi is dead. We must nevertheless continue our efforts to combat and discredit the violent Islamist ideology he espoused and disseminated," said Republican Senator Susan Collins.

Last year, a group of US lawmakers unveiled legislation to strip Americans thought to have joined extremist groups like Al-Qaeda of their citizenship. But the effort was criticized by some who said this appeared to lack due process.

Awlaqi, a charismatic preacher who spoke fluent English, was seen as having the unique ability to recruit Al-Qaeda operatives in the West.

US intelligence officials believe Awlaqi was linked to a US army major who allegedly shot dead 13 people in Fort Hood, Texas, and to a Nigerian student accused of trying to blow up a US airliner on December 25, 2009.

He also was believed to have coordinated the 2010 plot to blow up cargo aircraft bound for the United States and had called for attacks against US and Arab governments across the world

**Q0KmoR8K** · 10-01-2011, 05:51 PM

these americans are the biggest dhaalims on the planet right now.

**HawksBurnDown** · 10-01-2011, 06:19 PM

i dont belevie he has been martyred. This news has alreayd acme in 23 times before and everytime they say oh no no he is alive or we see any of his vidoes

**Loxaeed** · 10-01-2011, 06:32 PM

,
Regardless of the authenticity, this action is the beginning of what awaits muslims in western countries : Rights for all but muslims. Just my own thoughts.

**thargeagsaf** · 10-01-2011, 06:43 PM

its kinda funny when obama comes out with his big speeches when they kill someone about how victorious they are and how al-qaeda is being weakened lol

they don't understand these people at all

you cant defeat a man who looks down the barrel of your gun and sees the gates of jannah

**Q0KmoR8K** · 10-01-2011, 07:09 PM

mmmmm sister aram i think you shud demand a prize.

**thargeagsaf** · 10-01-2011, 07:20 PM

lol actually its not an original quote

i think it was said by a chechen mujahid...wallahu alam

**thargeagsaf** · 10-01-2011, 07:28 PM

Prize was duas BUT the judge has found you guilty of Plagiarism. You will get BAD-DUAS now.

i shoud still get a prize for sharing the amazing quote

**Rabbahpuptiopp** · 10-01-2011, 08:02 PM

Salaam's.

May Allah bless the shaykh abundantly ameen.

**PIORARMADDERI** · 10-01-2011, 08:10 PM

Salaam

If it's true, then:

Never think that those who were slain in the cause of God are dead. They are alive, and well provided for by their Lord; pleased with His gifts and rejoicing that those they left behind, who have not yet joined them, have nothing to fear or to regret; rejoicing in God's grace and bounty. God will not deny the faithful their reward" (3:169).

If it's not true, then:

And the disbelievers planned, but Allah planned. And Allah is the best of planners (3:54)
Allah is the Wali (Protector or Guardian) of those who believe. He brings them out from darknesses into light. (2:257)

**antonyandruleit** · 10-01-2011, 10:17 PM

I dont know what to think... Very sad news. I hope he is alive, the ummah needs a man like him.
If not may Allah grant him a high rank in jannah. The man spoke the truth and was never afraid of the consequences.

It saddens me when muslims speak ill of him. Or when they say 'he caused problems for muslims'

How can u say that about a man who brought the truth to so many people?!

They say he "died with his companions" inshallah he will enter jannah with his companions also. SubahanAllah.. We should envy his death.

**DaleJrGirl** · 10-02-2011, 05:07 PM

Now read this editorial today in Arab News- The largest circulated english daily from Saudi Arabia- Just see the way of thinking of these slaves...
http://arabnews.com/opinion/editorial/article509786.ece
" Editorial: Targeting Al-Awlaki
A government has to uphold the law, but its prime duty is protecting its citizens

US President Barack Obama has called the killing in Yemen of Anwar Al-Awlaki — one of the leaders of Al-Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula — a “major blow” to the organization. He is spot on. Al-Qaeda can replace leaders but in this case not one with the particular skills he had. Born in the US, the charismatic Al-Awlaki's particular skill was to appeal to alienated Muslims in the English-speaking world. He conveyed the Al-Qaeda message in a way they understood. Through his DVDs and the Internet, he had a major impact on radical English-speaking would-be jihadis across the world. It will be extremely difficult to find someone else who can so deftly recruit them to the ranks.

In as much as that has happened, there will be countless millions across the Muslim world who, while deeply antipathetical to the US over its slavish obedience to Israel, will pardon this particular action. Al-Awlaki preached Al-Qaeda's message of hatred and death — a message that has done more to damage the image of Islam and its message of peace than anything in living memory.

It is typical, though, of American society that there should now be anguish as to whether Al-Awlaki, as an American citizen, should have been targeted and killed. The American Civil Liberties Union says the killing violates the US and international law and condemns it because there had been no due judicial process.

A government's duty is to uphold the law, but its prime duty is to protect its citizens. It is rare that the two conflict but when they do, the law must take second place to protection. This was such a case. Al-Awlaki had declared war on the US through the Internet. On his website, he called on Muslims to kill American soldiers anywhere in the world; he said it was an Islamic duty. In e-mails he encouraged US Army Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan, to kill US soldiers; Hasan gunned down 13 at Ft. Hood in November 2009. The list of those with those for whom he was a spiritual guide and who carried out attacks is long. Last year he called on American Muslims to attack the US. Al-Awlaki's target was not only Americans who, he said, had to be killed “without hesitation.” He targeted Arab governments as well.

In such rare cases, the demand for due judicial process by the likes of the ACLU is morally vacuous. Someone who plots to kill has to be stopped. Otherwise he will succeed. In such circumstances, those who insist that nothing be done until his criminal plans are proven in court are complicit in his crimes. They effectively enable him to proceed. They care more about legalities, not about saving lives. It was perfectly legitimate to target Al-Awlaki.
There is, however, another perhaps far more significant aspect to this killing. It does not seem to be the result of information gathered from the similar killing at the beginning of May of Osama Bin Laden in Pakistan. The information appears to have come from the Yemeni authorities. Is it a coincidence then that it happened just after President Ali Abdullah Saleh returned to his country? Was the information passed by him to send a desperate message to Obama that he needs him in power in Sanaa? There will be many who believe that is so."

**violetgorman** · 10-02-2011, 06:13 PM

What's funny about US is that they know they have to fix their foreign policy if they truly desire achieve peace, yet they refuse to do it and push other nations to do their biddings and agenda. That's what happened to Pakistan. And now they even kill their own citizen.

The US had a chance to capture and put Awlaqi on trial and show it to the world that Awlaqi was in the wrong. That actually would be a much bigger win to the US than out right killing him, and would provide the US both propaganda and moral higher ground than those fighting them. But they choose to ignore that chance. Now they are sending a message to the world that anyone who dares to oppose the US imperialism will suffer consequences. Sorry but they are wrong, big time. What they did will only encourage more and more Muslims to join the Mujahideen army. Now it's becoming clearer and clearer to the Muslims worldwide that what the US is fighting against is Islam. And

there will be someone else who would take up the mantle left behind by Awlaqi and to reach out to the Muslims all over the world, English speaking or not.

Truly Allah (

) is the Best Planner!

**ElectraDupu** · 10-02-2011, 09:13 PM

What's funny about US is that they know they have to fix their foreign policy if they truly desire achieve peace, yet they refuse to do it and push other nations to do their biddings and agenda. That's what happened to Pakistan. And now they even kill their own citizen.

The US had a chance to capture and put Awlaqi on trial and show it to the world that Awlaqi was in the wrong. That actually would be a much bigger win to the US than out right killing him, and would provide the US both propaganda and moral higher ground than those fighting them. But they choose to ignore that chance. Now they are sending a message to the world that anyone who dares to oppose the US imperialism will suffer consequences. Sorry but they are wrong, big time. What they did will only encourage more and more Muslims to join the Mujahideen army. Now it's becoming clearer and clearer to the Muslims worldwide that what the US is fighting against is Islam. And there will be someone else who would take up the mantle left behind by Awlaqi and to reach out to the Muslims all over the world, English speaking or not.

Truly Allah () is the Best Planner!

aoa,

you have written something so true.
however, one thing i read about him which confused me was how he, supposedly, called for the slaughter for americans labelling them as party of the devil. now to me , even if we believe he said that, that isnt correct. yes, fight against their soldiers and their government but blow up americans who may or may not support war on islam?they are civilians you know. you cant ask people to go to detroit and blow up a school...maybe someone knowledgeable can explain this better as i lack knowledge

**violetgorman** · 10-02-2011, 09:44 PM

aoa,

you have written something so true.
however, one thing i read about him which confused me was how he, supposedly, called for the slaughter for americans labelling them as party of the devil. now to me , even if we believe he said that, that isnt correct. yes, fight against their soldiers and their government but blow up americans who may or may not support war on islam?they are civilians you know. you cant ask people to go to detroit and blow up a school...maybe someone knowledgeable can explain this better as i lack knowledge

If Awlaqi was guilty in inciting violence, then it shouldn't be too hard for the prosecutors to get a guilty verdict in the court. As far as I know, there was no criminal charges filed against Awlaqi. Was he an enemy combatant? Was he directly involved in planning to attack and murder American soldiers?

As for bombing and killing innocent people, every Muslim should not condone it. That's not the way of our Prophet

. And I myself haven't come across of any videos from Awlaqi calling for civilians to be killed (maybe I wasn't looking hard enough for it). Regarding some other issue (like martyrdom operation), some other clerics have refuted Awlaqi's opinions with text references.

Awlaqi's speeches may have inspired quite a number of Muslims to join the mujahideen. But so are many other Muslims who are calling for the Allied forces to get out of Afghanistan. And those who support the resistance would surely say the same thing about the US and the Allied soldiers in Afghanistan, get out or the Muslims will fight you.

The way I see it, Awlaqi speeches against the US and Allied invasions resonate well with the Western audience because he framed the whole situation in a perspective that the Western audience could understand and some of the audiences could even relate to it. I personally think that that's the main reason he was killed, that is effectively speaking out against the US imperialism and drawing support for the Mujahideen.

Wallahu alam

10-01-2011, 05:09 PM	#1
DaleJrGirl Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 426 Senior Member	Awlaqi killing reignites US debate on rights-By Rob Lever \| AFP Awlaqi killing reignites US debate on rights By Rob Lever \| AFP – 11 hrs ago The killing of US-born Al-Qaeda cleric Anwar al-Awlaqi has renewed the debate over how far Washington can go in hunting down and assassinating alleged terror suspects who are American citizens. Awlaqi, killed in Yemen with several other suspected militants, had been at the center of a court case filed last year challenging the US government's right to target its own citizens for assassination which highlighted questions about constitutional rights. US President Barack Obama on Friday said the killing of Awlaqi was a "major blow" to Al-Qaeda, adding it marked a "milestone in the broader effort to defeat" the terror network. And many US lawmakers and other Americans cheered the news of Awlaqi's death, but civil rights backers said the case raises serious questions. Glenn Greenwald, a lawyer and commentator, said there had been no effort to indict Awlaqi on any crimes and that there was "substantial doubt" about his involvement in any attacks against the US. "He was simply ordered killed by the president: his judge, jury and executioner," Greenwald wrote on Salon.com. "What's most amazing is that its citizens will not merely refrain from objecting, but will stand and cheer the US government's new power to assassinate their fellow citizens, far from any battlefield, literally without a shred of due process," he added.Last year, civil liberties groups filed a lawsuit on behalf of the cleric's father, Nasser al-Awlaqi, saying it was unconstitutional for the CIA to order the death of an American citizen without due process. A judge dismissed the case without ruling on the merit of the suit, but said it raises serious constitutional issues. "Can (the president) order the assassination of a US citizen without first affording him any form of judicial process whatsoever, based on the mere assertion that he is a dangerous member of a terrorist organization?" US District Judge John Bates wrote in December. Pardiss Kebriaei, an attorney at the the Center Constitutional Rights who worked on the lawsuit, said that if Awlaqi were indeed killed by US forces or with their help, it would be illegal. "If it was in the absence of imminent threat of deadly harm, this was an illegal killing under the US constitution and international law," she told AFP. "We have serious questions and concerns about the circumstances of the killing, the standards that were applied, and would call for an immediate investigation" by an independent party, she added. In April 2010, President Barack Obama's administration had taken the rare step of authorizing the targeted killing of Awlaqi, after US intelligence agencies linked him to attacks. Ari Fleischer, who was spokesman for former president George W. Bush, said the action shows the need for aggressive actions in the fight on terrorism. "I wonder if the Bush-violated-the-Constitution crowd will decry the killing of an American w/o a trial via drone??" he said in a Twitter message. Despite the legal questions, many members of Congress hailed the killing of Awlaqi, who was born in New Mexico and became an Internet phenomenon by producing video and audio recordings in fluent English to lure Westerners into militant actions. Republican Representative Peter King, chairman of the House Committee on Homeland Security, called Awlaqi's killing "a great success in our fight against Al-Qaeda and its affiliates." "He fueled hate against America, and we are safer because al-Awlaqi is dead. We must nevertheless continue our efforts to combat and discredit the violent Islamist ideology he espoused and disseminated," said Republican Senator Susan Collins. Last year, a group of US lawmakers unveiled legislation to strip Americans thought to have joined extremist groups like Al-Qaeda of their citizenship. But the effort was criticized by some who said this appeared to lack due process. Awlaqi, a charismatic preacher who spoke fluent English, was seen as having the unique ability to recruit Al-Qaeda operatives in the West. US intelligence officials believe Awlaqi was linked to a US army major who allegedly shot dead 13 people in Fort Hood, Texas, and to a Nigerian student accused of trying to blow up a US airliner on December 25, 2009. He also was believed to have coordinated the 2010 plot to blow up cargo aircraft bound for the United States and had called for attacks against US and Arab governments across the world Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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thargeagsaf Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 447 Senior Member	its kinda funny when obama comes out with his big speeches when they kill someone about how victorious they are and how al-qaeda is being weakened lol they don't understand these people at all you cant defeat a man who looks down the barrel of your gun and sees the gates of jannah Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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thargeagsaf Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 447 Senior Member	lol actually its not an original quote i think it was said by a chechen mujahid...wallahu alam Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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thargeagsaf Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 447 Senior Member	Prize was duas BUT the judge has found you guilty of Plagiarism. You will get BAD-DUAS now. i shoud still get a prize for sharing the amazing quote Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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Rabbahpuptiopp Join Date Nov 2005 Posts 462 Senior Member	Salaam's. May Allah bless the shaykh abundantly ameen. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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PIORARMADDERI Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 398 Senior Member	Salaam If it's true, then: Never think that those who were slain in the cause of God are dead. They are alive, and well provided for by their Lord; pleased with His gifts and rejoicing that those they left behind, who have not yet joined them, have nothing to fear or to regret; rejoicing in God's grace and bounty. God will not deny the faithful their reward" (3:169). If it's not true, then: And the disbelievers planned, but Allah planned. And Allah is the best of planners (3:54) Allah is the Wali (Protector or Guardian) of those who believe. He brings them out from darknesses into light. (2:257) Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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10-01-2011, 10:17 PM	#11
antonyandruleit Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 454 Senior Member	I dont know what to think... Very sad news. I hope he is alive, the ummah needs a man like him. If not may Allah grant him a high rank in jannah. The man spoke the truth and was never afraid of the consequences. It saddens me when muslims speak ill of him. Or when they say 'he caused problems for muslims' How can u say that about a man who brought the truth to so many people?! They say he "died with his companions" inshallah he will enter jannah with his companions also. SubahanAllah.. We should envy his death. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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10-02-2011, 05:07 PM	#12
DaleJrGirl Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 426 Senior Member	Now read this editorial today in Arab News- The largest circulated english daily from Saudi Arabia- Just see the way of thinking of these slaves... http://arabnews.com/opinion/editorial/article509786.ece " Editorial: Targeting Al-Awlaki A government has to uphold the law, but its prime duty is protecting its citizens US President Barack Obama has called the killing in Yemen of Anwar Al-Awlaki — one of the leaders of Al-Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula — a “major blow” to the organization. He is spot on. Al-Qaeda can replace leaders but in this case not one with the particular skills he had. Born in the US, the charismatic Al-Awlaki's particular skill was to appeal to alienated Muslims in the English-speaking world. He conveyed the Al-Qaeda message in a way they understood. Through his DVDs and the Internet, he had a major impact on radical English-speaking would-be jihadis across the world. It will be extremely difficult to find someone else who can so deftly recruit them to the ranks. In as much as that has happened, there will be countless millions across the Muslim world who, while deeply antipathetical to the US over its slavish obedience to Israel, will pardon this particular action. Al-Awlaki preached Al-Qaeda's message of hatred and death — a message that has done more to damage the image of Islam and its message of peace than anything in living memory. It is typical, though, of American society that there should now be anguish as to whether Al-Awlaki, as an American citizen, should have been targeted and killed. The American Civil Liberties Union says the killing violates the US and international law and condemns it because there had been no due judicial process. A government's duty is to uphold the law, but its prime duty is to protect its citizens. It is rare that the two conflict but when they do, the law must take second place to protection. This was such a case. Al-Awlaki had declared war on the US through the Internet. On his website, he called on Muslims to kill American soldiers anywhere in the world; he said it was an Islamic duty. In e-mails he encouraged US Army Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan, to kill US soldiers; Hasan gunned down 13 at Ft. Hood in November 2009. The list of those with those for whom he was a spiritual guide and who carried out attacks is long. Last year he called on American Muslims to attack the US. Al-Awlaki's target was not only Americans who, he said, had to be killed “without hesitation.” He targeted Arab governments as well. In such rare cases, the demand for due judicial process by the likes of the ACLU is morally vacuous. Someone who plots to kill has to be stopped. Otherwise he will succeed. In such circumstances, those who insist that nothing be done until his criminal plans are proven in court are complicit in his crimes. They effectively enable him to proceed. They care more about legalities, not about saving lives. It was perfectly legitimate to target Al-Awlaki. There is, however, another perhaps far more significant aspect to this killing. It does not seem to be the result of information gathered from the similar killing at the beginning of May of Osama Bin Laden in Pakistan. The information appears to have come from the Yemeni authorities. Is it a coincidence then that it happened just after President Ali Abdullah Saleh returned to his country? Was the information passed by him to send a desperate message to Obama that he needs him in power in Sanaa? There will be many who believe that is so." Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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10-02-2011, 06:13 PM	#13
violetgorman Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 491 Senior Member	What's funny about US is that they know they have to fix their foreign policy if they truly desire achieve peace, yet they refuse to do it and push other nations to do their biddings and agenda. That's what happened to Pakistan. And now they even kill their own citizen. The US had a chance to capture and put Awlaqi on trial and show it to the world that Awlaqi was in the wrong. That actually would be a much bigger win to the US than out right killing him, and would provide the US both propaganda and moral higher ground than those fighting them. But they choose to ignore that chance. Now they are sending a message to the world that anyone who dares to oppose the US imperialism will suffer consequences. Sorry but they are wrong, big time. What they did will only encourage more and more Muslims to join the Mujahideen army. Now it's becoming clearer and clearer to the Muslims worldwide that what the US is fighting against is Islam. And there will be someone else who would take up the mantle left behind by Awlaqi and to reach out to the Muslims all over the world, English speaking or not. Truly Allah () is the Best Planner! Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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10-02-2011, 09:13 PM	#14
ElectraDupu Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 428 Senior Member	What's funny about US is that they know they have to fix their foreign policy if they truly desire achieve peace, yet they refuse to do it and push other nations to do their biddings and agenda. That's what happened to Pakistan. And now they even kill their own citizen. The US had a chance to capture and put Awlaqi on trial and show it to the world that Awlaqi was in the wrong. That actually would be a much bigger win to the US than out right killing him, and would provide the US both propaganda and moral higher ground than those fighting them. But they choose to ignore that chance. Now they are sending a message to the world that anyone who dares to oppose the US imperialism will suffer consequences. Sorry but they are wrong, big time. What they did will only encourage more and more Muslims to join the Mujahideen army. Now it's becoming clearer and clearer to the Muslims worldwide that what the US is fighting against is Islam. And there will be someone else who would take up the mantle left behind by Awlaqi and to reach out to the Muslims all over the world, English speaking or not. Truly Allah () is the Best Planner! aoa, you have written something so true. however, one thing i read about him which confused me was how he, supposedly, called for the slaughter for americans labelling them as party of the devil. now to me , even if we believe he said that, that isnt correct. yes, fight against their soldiers and their government but blow up americans who may or may not support war on islam?they are civilians you know. you cant ask people to go to detroit and blow up a school...maybe someone knowledgeable can explain this better as i lack knowledge Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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violetgorman Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 491 Senior Member	aoa, you have written something so true. however, one thing i read about him which confused me was how he, supposedly, called for the slaughter for americans labelling them as party of the devil. now to me , even if we believe he said that, that isnt correct. yes, fight against their soldiers and their government but blow up americans who may or may not support war on islam?they are civilians you know. you cant ask people to go to detroit and blow up a school...maybe someone knowledgeable can explain this better as i lack knowledge If Awlaqi was guilty in inciting violence, then it shouldn't be too hard for the prosecutors to get a guilty verdict in the court. As far as I know, there was no criminal charges filed against Awlaqi. Was he an enemy combatant? Was he directly involved in planning to attack and murder American soldiers? As for bombing and killing innocent people, every Muslim should not condone it. That's not the way of our Prophet . And I myself haven't come across of any videos from Awlaqi calling for civilians to be killed (maybe I wasn't looking hard enough for it). Regarding some other issue (like martyrdom operation), some other clerics have refuted Awlaqi's opinions with text references. Awlaqi's speeches may have inspired quite a number of Muslims to join the mujahideen. But so are many other Muslims who are calling for the Allied forces to get out of Afghanistan. And those who support the resistance would surely say the same thing about the US and the Allied soldiers in Afghanistan, get out or the Muslims will fight you. The way I see it, Awlaqi speeches against the US and Allied invasions resonate well with the Western audience because he framed the whole situation in a perspective that the Western audience could understand and some of the audiences could even relate to it. I personally think that that's the main reason he was killed, that is effectively speaking out against the US imperialism and drawing support for the Mujahideen. Wallahu alam Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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