[VonErmad4]

(salam)

I am looking for a refutation to the claims made in this this article: http://www.islamworld.net/docs/deadnohear.html

Anyone have the answers?

[HilaryNidierer]

(salam)

I am looking for a refutation to the claims made in this this article: http://www.islamworld.net/docs/deadnohear.html

Anyone have the answers?

Assalam aleykoum,


How can you refut what Allah SWT said in the Quran ?

There is only one way, you can write another book than the Quran or change the Quran if you want to read what you wish.

Tell me how a dead body can Hear ? yes that can happen only in movies.

What do you think brother, do you think that dead personn can Hear, what are your proof ?


Assalam aleykoum

[VonErmad4]

Muslims for centuries have held that the dead can hear, I want to know the proof.

[Ngdyoysv]

Bismillahirrahmanirraheem
The proof is given in marifah dot net under 'Hadith' with the title 'They Hear what I say'. Unfortunately the forum doesnt accept the link of marifah dot net.

[HilaryNidierer]

Muslims for centuries have held that the dead can hear, I want to know the proof.

Brother,


For centuries muslims they do not use their brain, how do you want from them to make difference between the truth and the the totally wrong.

Only Allah SWT can show the truth, even if you are the bigest scholar in the world if Allah SWt does not want to guide you, you can not do anything.

I am not telling I am well guided, I am just a muslim like our father Abraham when he was among his community and he looked for the truth and was guided, do you know why ?

Because he was meditating and used his brain, it s the same thing nowdays, you have to ask Allah SWT to guide you and you have to think about every verse in the Quran and before you sleep Ask Allah SWT to guide us , amin.

Because with all the lies spread after the death of our prophete MOhamed SWS, if Allah SWt does not guide us brother we are going to burn in hell for all our eternity.

Now stop using links, please use your brain and bring me proof that the death can hear.

Do you follow Allah SWT or what people are telling you even if its wrong ?

I ask Allah SWT to guide us all and to forgive us, Amin.


PS : If muslims are in the wrong way are going to follow them like a sheep ?

[mrPronmaker]

http://www.********************/answ...r/en/chap2.php

Check out this link brother

Let me know what you think

Conversely on other side of coin check this out from salafi site

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[Roamsaffots]

Check this out Inshaa Allah this might just help You.

Hadith on the Hearing of the Dead


http://www.deoband.org/2010/04/hadit...g-of-the-dead/

[HilaryNidierer]

Check this out Inshaa Allah this might just help You.

Hadith on the Hearing of the Dead


http://www.deoband.org/2010/04/hadit...g-of-the-dead/

Assalam aleykoum,


1) Muslims they only put links

2) they do not think by themselves

3) When they see a Hadith told by the prophette SWS, they switch of their brain even if the hadith is totally wrong we do not care because is told by the prophete SWS, the question is are we sure it was told by our prophete Mohamed SWS.

4) We are well guided, beacause our scholars can not make any mistakes, its very funny


Can you tell me sisters and brothers what do you think bellow :

1) Do you beleive to the Quran ?

2) Do you follow Allah SWT ?

Allah SWT says :


English Yusuf Ali:
[39:42] It is Allah that takes the souls (of men) at death; and those that die not (He takes) during their sleep: those on whom He has passed the decree of death, He keeps back (from returning to life), but the rest He sends (to their bodies) for a term appointed verily in this are Signs for those who reflect.

Tell me if I am wrong, we are here sisters and brothers to search the truth, we are all here together and Allah SWT to help us.

The soul is taken by angels to Allah SWT, right ? and keept by Allah SWT ? see the surah 39-42

The body turn to dust, see the verse bellow :

English Yusuf Ali: [36:78] And he makes comparisons for Us, and forgets his own (origin and) Creation: He says, "Who can give life to (dry) bones and decomposed ones (at that)?"




Now tell me sisters and brothers how a dead can hear ?

The prophete Mohamed SWS can not tell such Hadith beacause Allah SWT say the opposite.


I Ask Allah SWT to guide us and to forgive us all, Amin.


Your Brother Stephane.

[67Irralphaisa]

I used my brain, and understood that dead can hear, am i guilty for this!

[dxpfmP0l]

(salam)

I am looking for a refutation to the claims made in this this article: http://www.islamworld.net/docs/deadnohear.html

Anyone have the answers?

forget the dead, there are some alive brothers who cannot hear , any articles on that ? post here.

[67Irralphaisa]

[39:42] It is Allah that takes the souls (of men) at death;

"Takes the soul" doesnt mean He vanishes the soul. And to hear, the soul doesnt need to be in body. Allah can let the soul hear anyway.

the word "death" refers only to body, not to soul.

[mrPronmaker]

forget the dead, there are some alive brothers who cannot hear , any articles on that ? post here.

[HilaryNidierer]

I used my brain, and understood that dead can hear, am i guilty for this!

Assalam aleykoum brother,


Did you read the verses bellow ?

When you will die how can you hear the alive world ?

If you can hear then you are alive no ?

1) Your soul is taken to Allah SWT

2) Your body is only dust


Now explain me how can we hear ? you are abale.

Give me your proof and stop puting links.

Thank you brother for your answer.


Assalam aleykoum.

[HilaryNidierer]

forget the dead, there are some alive brothers who cannot hear , any articles on that ? post here.

Assalam aleykoum brother,


I am talking with the verses of Allah SWT is it forbideen ?

If not tell me where I am wrong, please correct me and show me my mistakes in thaht way I can learn from you inshallah.

Others verses for you .

English Yusuf Ali: [25:73] Those who, when they are admonished with the Signs of their Lord, droop not down at them as if they were deaf or blind;

English Yusuf Ali: [6:21] Who doth more wrong than he who inventeth a lie against Allah or rejecteth His signs ? But verily the wrong-doers never shall prosper


Allah SWT never said the dead can hear if Allah SWT did show me the verse.

If you can not bring me the proof then you are in big danger brother.


Assalam aleykoum sisters and brothers

[dxpfmP0l]

Assalam aleykoum brother,
I am talking with the verses of Allah SWT is it forbideen ?
If not tell me where I am wrong, please correct me and show me my mistakes in thaht way I can learn from you inshallah.
Others verses for you .
English Yusuf Ali: [25:73] Those who, when they are admonished with the Signs of their Lord, droop not down at them as if they were deaf or blind;
English Yusuf Ali: [6:21] Who doth more wrong than he who inventeth a lie against Allah or rejecteth His signs ? But verily the wrong-doers never shall prosper
Allah SWT never said the dead can hear if Allah SWT did show me the verse.
If you can not bring me the proof then you are in big danger brother.
Assalam aleykoum sisters and brothers

my query is simple I have been calling you -- stephane2 , did you hear me and you are alive my argument is first let us discuss about living beings who cannot hear before addressing the dead. Please explain this ( also if you find some nass qati that would help )

[67Irralphaisa]

When you will die .

your body dies , soul not. If a human body is deaf in this world, do you think he will be able to hear at day of judgement?

how hard is that easy statement to understand akhi al karim!

Allah SWT never said the dead can hear if Allah SWT did show me the verse.

Allah doesnt mention through one verse what He can do. for that you need the whole world as paper and all the tree as pen and the water of ocean as ink. yet you will not be finish with writing what Allah can do. Allah is Qadir. And what Allah didnt mentioned, prophet(sw) mentioned it.

[Roamsaffots]

Assalam aleykoum,


1) Muslims they only put links

2) they do not think by themselves

3) When they see a Hadith told by the prophette SWS, they switch of their brain even if the hadith is totally wrong we do not care because is told by the prophete SWS, the question is are we sure it was told by our prophete Mohamed SWS.

4) We are well guided, beacause our scholars can not make any mistakes, its very funny


Can you tell me sisters and brothers what do you think bellow :

1) Do you beleive to the Quran ?

2) Do you follow Allah SWT ?

Allah SWT says :


English Yusuf Ali:
[39:42] It is Allah that takes the souls (of men) at death; and those that die not (He takes) during their sleep: those on whom He has passed the decree of death, He keeps back (from returning to life), but the rest He sends (to their bodies) for a term appointed verily in this are Signs for those who reflect.

Tell me if I am wrong, we are here sisters and brothers to search the truth, we are all here together and Allah SWT to help us.

The soul is taken by angels to Allah SWT, right ? and keept by Allah SWT ? see the surah 39-42

The body turn to dust, see the verse bellow :

English Yusuf Ali: [36:78] And he makes comparisons for Us, and forgets his own (origin and) Creation: He says, "Who can give life to (dry) bones and decomposed ones (at that)?"




Now tell me sisters and brothers how a dead can hear ?

The prophete Mohamed SWS can not tell such Hadith beacause Allah SWT say the opposite.


I Ask Allah SWT to guide us and to forgive us all, Amin.


Your Brother Stephane.

Wa 'alaikumus salaam,
Bro We can't judge some of the rulings of Islam merely based on our common sense and intelligence.And
What does posting of links has to do with thinking?
Scholars can make mistakes and also a common layman too especially when he starts using his common sense.

We do believe in Allah and the noble Qur'aan and follow what Allah(Subhaanahu wa Ta'Aala) says .And we do follow the Qur'aan but in the way and the manner it was explained and interpreted by the One on whom it was revealed and from those who learned it from Him in His companionship and whose understanding power of quraan is much higher than the people coming 14 centuries after them.

I would like to redirect You to my posted link for a better insight of this matter.

[pXss8cyx]

Salam Aleykum,

I remember reading a detailed study on this, firstly they clarify that the majority opinion was that they do hear, hen they state the different opinions:

1- they hear always.
2- they hear for a limited time(I think the time before the judgement of the grave).
3- they do not hear.

All three provide some decent proofs but the main thing they all agree on is that when you go to address the dead it would not benefit them nor would they benefit you so it's useless.

Allah knows best,

[HilaryNidierer]

my query is simple I have been calling you -- stephane2 , did you hear me and you are alive my argument is first let us discuss about living beings who cannot hear before addressing the dead. Please explain this ( also if you find some nass qati that would help )

Assalam aleykoum my brother Abul Hussain,


I am hearing you do not worry

2) Ok lets talk about alive people, as you said who can not hear.


They can not hear what ? its not about the voice its about the words of Allah SWT, I mean the truth not wrong interpretations or lies spread after the death of our prophete Mohamed SWS.

Muslims they think that all the verses in the quran is not talking about them when Allah SWT is talking about disbeleiver, people in hell, people corrupted ............

When I see muslims talking and their way of thinking its like they are the best of the world and they will all go to the paradise ( JANA ) and they have nothing to fear.

Its like they can not make mistakes in their beleif, and the devil ( CHYTANE ) is very weak and is not enough clever for muslims, its very funny and sad in same time.

Lets back to the thread : I bring a verse of the Quran Al karim, is it forbideen ?

English Yusuf Ali: [2:171]
The parable of those who reject Faith is as if one were to shout Like a goat-herd, to things that listen to nothing but calls and cries: Deaf, dumb, and blind, they are void of wisdom.

Brother we are all concerned by the verse above, if we do not care about Allah SWt speech we are disbeleiver its like we reject the faith, but its hard to notice it, its very hard to be always in the right path, we have always to look for for the truth..


2) Let's back to the dead :


English Yusuf Ali: [21:17]
If it had been Our wish to take (just) a pastime, We should surely have taken it from the things nearest to Us, if We would do (such a thing)!

English Yusuf Ali: [21:18]
Nay, We hurl the Truth against falsehood, and it knocks out its brain, and behold, falsehood doth perish! Ah! woe be to you for the (false) things ye ascribe (to Us).

English Yusuf Ali: [21:19]
To Him belong all (creatures) in the heavens and on earth: Even those who are in His (very) Presence are not too proud to serve Him, nor are they (ever) weary (of His service):

English Yusuf Ali: [21:20]
They celebrate His praises night and day, nor do they ever flag or intermit.


Now brother Allah SWT never said the dead can hear, now tell me how a dead can hear.

If a dead can hear then he is alive ?

If is alive Allah SWT will not rise from a death an alive personn no ?



Open wide your eyes and read the verse bellow :

[21:21]
Or have they taken (for worship) gods from the earth who can raise (the dead)?


Its for that I am telling you sisters and brothers that you are in big danger because you beleive to somenthing that Allah SWT never mentioned.

What is hard for you its to think one minute and say to yourself maybe the hadith is false and the prophete Mohamed SWt never told it.

But you are condionned for centuries its not your fault its the fault of tyrans after the death of our prophete Mohamed SWS the same dictators we have in arabic countries.



I ask Allah SWT to guide us and to forgive us all , amin.

[HilaryNidierer]

Salam Aleykum,

I remember reading a detailed study on this, firstly they clarify that the majority opinion was that they do hear, hen they state the different opinions:

1- they hear always.
2- they hear for a limited time(I think the time before the judgement of the grave).
3- they do not hear.

All three provide some decent proofs but the main thing they all agree on is that when you go to address the dead it would not benefit them nor would they benefit you so it's useless.

Allah knows best,

Assalam aleykoum TripolySunni,

I hope you are ok and all your family.

You said :


1- they hear always.
2- they hear for a limited time(I think the time before the judgement of the grave).
3- they do not hear.


Tell me for you which one is correct ?


I ask Allah SWt to guide us and to forgive us all, amin.