Muslim institutions targeted - Dispatches, Lessons in Hate and Violence
 

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Channel 4 are about a broadcast a programme targetting particularly Deobandi institutions in the UK. In some Madaris they had installed covert recording devices for nearly a year. Over that time the managed to gather, and compile a handful of inappropriate comments allegedly made by teachers. Many these occassions were dealt with by the Madrasah themselves, some having been resolved over six months ago.

It is not uncommon in any school for staff to have to occassionally subject to disciplinary measure due to inappropriate behavious. What is of main concern here that it is only the Islamic schools, particularly the Deobandi Madaris and Makatib, that are the being targetted here. Much more stronger material can be found against non-jews in Jewish schools, and non-Christians in Christian schools.

I request all knowledgable brothers and sisters to start commenting before and after the programme is broadcast:

http://www.channel4.com/programmes/d...s-80/episode-1

Here is the trailer:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=isr4BlMtwgY

As you can see the EDL and BNP have already started commenting and gearing up to use this opportunity to whip up hatred of all conservative Muslims.

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Discussed with some teachers & graduates of Darul-uloom Bury over 10 years ago that they need to get savvy and tighten up their processes.

And also with a Shaykh who has some influence with them...

Off course I got a lot of "Masha'Allah, Masha'Allah..." out of it and probably everything else tossed out...

Yes people can comment now but in the long run we need to be savvy and anticipate these matters...

Allah (SWT) knows best.

Just wait till Media discovers "Deobandi Clerics" with 2 wives and then the stuff will hit the FAN!

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In order to deal with the Media you need relationships with the Media who will often do you favours (just so they can get exclusive access to something else)

Which islamic school is it on the trailer?

http://discussworldissues.com/forums...lies/salam.gif as am aware that so far channel 4 is well known for being bias and would do anything to ridicule any religions teachings that they think is inappropriate for this day and age. however,the last part of the ad showing an imam beating up children is unacceptable to me and am sure there is a better way to disicipline children, we must address our communities that such cultural teachings have no place in islam and that we condemn it,its time that we look at such masjids that have such imams who have gone astray to guide them back to Allah, may Allah protect us from such lifes test and keep our imaan intact,Ameen.

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true,our" gaams" are not adapting and developing strategies to the onslaught

It is not appropriate to beat children or the way he talked about the cow thing. And about the fistful beard, well, from other Madhhaahib other than Hanafee, we can gather that they have opinions other than having a fistful beard.

May Allaah guide such people Aameen.

Read this very important article which was published in The Independent newspaper:
http://blogs.independent.co.uk/2010/...ms-in-britain/

The documentary film-makers should have read this article before doing their documentary. I think that Deobandi 'ulama need to be more pro-active and stop refusing to appear on camera or radio to explain their position. This demonisation will never stop until they become more media savvy. It is only rare that an article like the one in The Independent appears in a mainstream newspaper like the Independent providing a thoughtful analysis of the current demonisation that is happening within the Muslim communities in the UK.

Channel4 and other channels no longer film documentaries due to cuts. They now commission most of their programmes to independent film-makers. If you look at the end of each programme you see the name of the independent company that produced it. So what is needed are Muslims starting their own independent film projects. But in order for them to do so, some of fatwas and criticism from some 'ulama directed at Muslims who try to do films should stop. They need to be encouraged to do so.

The thing about the cow thing,which i have heard but do not know whether its true is that a student spoke of that and not a teacher,and once it was reported the student spoke of that religion in ill manner was expelled immediatly but thats what i have heard. and as for we should have been aware about this is that a person can do so much but what they have done,channel 4 taken video recordings secretly in our madrasahs,so it shows that we have to be more alert around our surroundings and be careful on what we say and hw we say it,because channel 4 had done some editing on the ad and made it look like that deobandis madarasahs are bad.

We say to each other to be more careful of others and not to utter certain things in front of them. But what about in front of Him which nothing can hide from?!

I am aware of that. However, having Muslims working for even Channel 4 could mean such programmes are not aired. Muslims need to work for such independent companies also, or as you rightly say, could create their own. However, as a short term strategy, it is probably best to work for others first and build up the appropiate skill set.

Has anyone watched the film King's Speech? It brings out the raw emotions in you, and in many ways it is trying to bring back support for the monarchy, though of course it does this in an utterly suttle manner. Films (especially well reviewed ones) are watched by people from every walks of life, from working class to the aristochrats. If Muslims could pull funds together to get a good european director to direct a film that ultimately depcits Muslims in a good light (though of course has a very good story line), this has the potential to change the perceptions of many. Doing door-to-door da'wah is no longer viable or even some would argue effective, things have changed, and we need to catch up with these changes and use it to our best interest, and ultimately in the interest of society.

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Agreed that they should have seen it coming but these are Deobandees (in UK) we are talking about!

It will take years to educate, train and insert practising and savvy Muslims & Muslimahs into the media and then further delay in getting into positions where their opinions are concerned, so this isn't a short term strategy at all.

Deobani Darul-ulooms and Ulama are awash with money so the simplest thing is to hire a good PR consultant and let them direct a response and plan a long term campaign. Instead of spending millions on Masajid they better get a PR strategy together.

If you understand Urdu, listen to this talk by Shaykh (Maulana) Kaleem Siddiqui (HA) as it speaks volumes and should get alarm bells rining in every Deobandi's head (if it hasn't been ringing already)

http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/show...yderabad-India

As Shaykh (Maulana) Kaleem Siddiqui (HA) says, "We are still discussing if its permissable to give Qur'aan to Non-Muslims!"

As I said 2 years ago, "At least there should be a well-oiled-deobandi organisation with a savvy web-site which does press releases which are well written and well directed".


We have Muslims and Muslimahs who are capable of handling these matters, they just need to be given a chance. We have Practising Muslimah Barristers who will tear these allegations to pieces if given a chance!

There are three seperate issues here:

1. Why is the Muslim community engaging in activities that non-Muslim producers can villify?
2. If a production company produced material that was of high quality, irrelevant of whether the owner is Muslim or not, Channel 4 would commission their work.
3. The best strategy is to have practising Muslims working for these production companies so that bias is removed in reporting. (A Muslim creating his or her own production company should have worked in a non-Muslim production company anyways, if he or she wants to produce high quality productions).

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Exposing? I'm sure this isn't the intended meaning sister, right?

We need to lower the walls of secrecy. We need to invite these people into our institutes and we need to correct our own conduct so that there is nothing to 'expose'.

You may say say that the media will twist words, quote out-of-context and fabricate stories; well, they already are doing that so what do we have to lose? By continuing to erect veils and therefore making them resort to such tactics as 'secret filming', we are not doing ourselves any favours.

Did you feel ashamed when watching that trailer? What do we have to be ashamed of? Haq is haq, and what is shameful is shameful. We need to face up to that. Being more transparent with the media will automatically force us to polish-out the few marks which taint the silverware of our illustrious institutions.

Of course non-Muslims will criticize us for some, if not many, aspects of Haq itself. That is its very nature. It is a shame when last time we saw the BBC absolutely slandering one of our most prominent 'media-savvy', pro-integration 'ulama by quoting his fatawa out-of-context... So transparency will mean exposing our differences with British/Western principles; but such is the way of the Sahaba.. what do we have to be afraid of? Lakum deenukum wa liya deen.

Wouldn't it be much more appropiate to have 'our' people working for these channels instead? But as a short term strategy, it may work, or fail utterly miserably. I don't know, would it? I would like to see some discussion from knowledgeable members such as yourself on this.

to brother imam ghazzali,you are right there where we should not fear people on what we say and act but fear Allah as he is the one will judge us on our deeds. As far am concern, we should not make any comments quite yet as it is still a trailer,once we have watched the documentry then we can decide on what went wrong where,but in birmingham as some may know in muslim areas there are cctv installed everywhere,so basically as the some may say,britain has truly become Big Brother.

Agreed, though I think we would need one of the top PR firms in the UK.

It really is a matter of pulling funds. If each mosque in the UK pulls out £100 per month, we are looking at around £60,000 per month (600 Mosques in the UK?) that could go towards positive PR. Lets say half of the mosques participated, that is till £30,000 a month. And a £100 per month is easy to collect from musallees. Could someone please forward this idea to senior ulama/the ulamaa group/MCB and other organisations?

They claimed to expose ...

^This deserves to be written in gold but that's the closest I could get.

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Sorry to just jump on it like that.