[Loxaeed]

Assalaamu 'ala man ittaba' al huda,
Job is not a valid excuse for missing the prayers in (sunni) Islam.

[SkHukV3N]

Salaam aleykum wa rahmatAllah wa barakatuh


Is it allowed to combine prayers (duhr, asr and magrheb iescha), when there is no other option - let us just assume that your job overlaps the praying times?

Id like to know both hanafi and malikis view at this issue..

Wa baraka allahu ta3laa feekum

As Salamu Alaykum


In the Shafi'i School its allowed to combine prayers and shorten prayers when on a valid trip of 81 kilometers/50 miles one way as well as other conditions like it is only valid to do so when one is intending on staying at the location for 3 days or less not including departure and arrival day.



Wa Llahu Alim

[AngelinaLip]

You are not allowed to join prayers according to the Hanafi madhhab. You can pray in such a manner so that you pray your dhuhr prayer just as 'asr time is about to begin (and there is still time for dhuhr) and when 'asr time arrives, you continue on with 'asr salah after making the adhan.

[sportbos]

In Hanafi school we are allowed to shorten the prayers (kasar) only during long journeys.

Regards combining prayers, there are ahadeeth allowing combining prayers but only as an EXCEPTION, not as a general rule like shias. The learned brothers/sisters here will elaborate further inshallah. I'm open to correction on this.

Work is NEVER an excuse, in fact it's a rather pathetic excuse. You are telling me you are sooooo busy that you can't spare 5 mins for fardh salah????

People will take toilet breaks and even prolong them at work, lasting 15 mins but can't spare 5 mins out of their "jam packed schedule" for the King of Kings??

Subhanallah look at our state..

[sportbos]

You are not allowed to join prayers according to the Hanafi madhhab. You can pray in such a manner so that you pray your dhuhr prayer just as 'asr time is about to begin (and there is still time for dhuhr) and when 'asr time arrives, you continue on with 'asr salah after making the adhan.

This is what I meant regarding combining prayers, my apologies

[AngelinaLip]

Here's a Hanafi answer:
http://www.askimam.org/fatwa/fatwa.p...61f8772d24f57e

[Poeetiol]

Salaam


Please if you dont have any valid proof, or if you come with long explinations then dont waste yours nor my own time..

I say this because of this statement:


Regards combining prayers, there are ahadeeth allowing combining prayers but only as an EXCEPTION, not as a general rule like shias. The learned brothers/sisters here will elaborate further inshallah. I'm open to correction on this.

Work is NEVER an excuse, in fact it's a rather pathetic excuse. You are telling me you are sooooo busy that you can't spare 5 mins for fardh salah????

People will take toilet breaks and even prolong them at work, lasting 15 mins but can't spare 5 mins out of their "jam packed schedule" for the King of Kings??

Subhanallah look at our state..


Answer with proof from the maraja

[AngelinaLip]

Brother marco:

You are correct, there are times when we CAN join prayers, specifically during hajj when one is at 'Arafat and Muzdalifa.

Detailed answer:
http://www.albalagh.net/qa/0082.shtml

[sportbos]

Salaam


Please if you dont have any valid proof, or if you come with long explinations then dont waste yours nor my own time..

I say this because of this statement:


Regards combining prayers, there are ahadeeth allowing combining prayers but only as an EXCEPTION, not as a general rule like shias. The learned brothers/sisters here will elaborate further inshallah. I'm open to correction on this.

Work is NEVER an excuse, in fact it's a rather pathetic excuse. You are telling me you are sooooo busy that you can't spare 5 mins for fardh salah????

People will take toilet breaks and even prolong them at work, lasting 15 mins but can't spare 5 mins out of their "jam packed schedule" for the King of Kings??

Subhanallah look at our state..


Answer with proof from the maraja

Even with "proof" you'll never be happy. Have you seen the links that have been posted? Try reading them and you might learn something.

[Zenthachall]

In Hanafi school we are allowed to shorten the prayers (kasar) only during long journeys.

Regards combining prayers, there are ahadeeth allowing combining prayers but only as an EXCEPTION, not as a general rule like shias. The learned brothers/sisters here will elaborate further inshallah. I'm open to correction on this.

Work is NEVER an excuse, in fact it's a rather pathetic excuse. You are telling me you are sooooo busy that you can't spare 5 mins for fardh salah????

People will take toilet breaks and even prolong them at work, lasting 15 mins but can't spare 5 mins out of their "jam packed schedule" for the King of Kings??

Subhanallah look at our state..

Brother,

It would be good if you can be respectful and kind when replying to people's posts. There was no need to add the word 'pathetic' or the extra 'oooooo's or the extra '????' marks. The person asked a simple question which demanded a courteous reply.

Your most recent post on this topic wasn't worded any better. I'm sure you can add the word 'please' in your reply.

So Marco, can you please be kind in your replies?

[sportbos]

Brother,

It would be good if you can be respectful and kind when replying to people's posts. There was no need to add the word 'pathetic' or the extra 'oooooo's or the extra '????' marks. The person asked a simple question which demanded a courteous reply.

Your most recent post on this topic wasn't worded any better. I'm sure you can add the word 'please' in your reply.

So Marco, can you please be kind in your replies?

You've never reprimanded others when they've used similar words, why are you picking on just me?

Your advice is taken aboard. Apologies everyone.

[Zenthachall]

You've never reprimanded others when they've used similar words, why are you picking on just me?

Your advice is taken aboard. Apologies everyone.

You were reprimanded previously so this is not the first time.

And still, I'm sure our purpose of life is to have our islah done before we leave this world. So we should be happy when our mistakes are pointed out.

It's not hard to be kind and courteous towards others whilst putting forward our views and comments for others to read.

[sportbos]

You were reprimanded previously so this is not the first time.

And still, I'm sure our purpose of life is to have our islah done before we leave this world. So we should be happy when our mistakes are pointed out.

It's not hard to be kind and courteous towards others whilst putting forward our views and comments for others to read.

No I agree completely, and being corrected is good. I'm just asking you to be fair, and reprimand others when they also get harsh. I feel I'm being picked on.

[Zenthachall]

No I agree completely, and being corrected is good. I'm just asking you to be fair, and reprimand others when they also get harsh. I feel I'm being picked on.

Well...you should be happy that you are being picked on. Cause eventually, there will be no more excuses left to pick on you and at the same time, In Sha Allah islah will be done.

Do I sound like a person who was picked on all his life?

If you have concerns about any member and their posts, you can always use the report button.

[joanbertis]

Assalaamu 'ala man ittaba' al huda,
Job is not a valid excuse for missing the prayers in (sunni) Islam.

Dear Brother, Assalaamoalaikum

It depends in which country you are and what is the nature of your job. Replacing missed prayers is not the same thing as combining prayers.

Brotherly yours
farook

[Loxaeed]

wa `alaykum assalaam wa rahmatullah,
sorry I didn't get it, you mean depending the job, you're allowed to miss a prayer and later pray it with 'asr (if zuhr was missed) or with 'esha?

[DoterrFor]

As salamu aleykum...

In Hanafi school we are allowed to shorten the prayers (kasar) only during long journeys.

Regards combining prayers, there are ahadeeth allowing combining prayers but only as an EXCEPTION, not as a general rule like shias. The learned brothers/sisters here will elaborate further inshallah. I'm open to correction on this.

Work is NEVER an excuse, in fact it's a rather pathetic excuse. You are telling me you are sooooo busy that you can't spare 5 mins for fardh salah????

People will take toilet breaks and even prolong them at work, lasting 15 mins but can't spare 5 mins out of their "jam packed schedule" for the King of Kings??

Subhanallah look at our state..

I agree with marco100 on this one. Work should never be an excuse, salaah is obligatory - one of the 5 Pillars of Sunni Islam. Nothing should excuse a Muslim from performing his/her prayers.

You are not allowed to join prayers according to the Hanafi madhhab. You can pray in such a manner so that you pray your dhuhr prayer just as 'asr time is about to begin (and there is still time for dhuhr) and when 'asr time arrives, you continue on with 'asr salah after making the adhan.

I found this out while I was in Lake Garda earlier this month. I asked this question, because, I had been out all afternoon with my family, so Dhuhr was a little late. I found out that, according to the Hanafi maddhab, Dhuhr, Asr and Isha'a prayers are shortened from 4 raka'as to 2 raka'as if you're over 77 km from home (in which case I was). I found this out a couple of hours before I found out that I can't combine prayers. What I did was I did 2 raka'as of Dhuhr, then pretty much went straight onto Asr. When I searched Wikipedia and found out that salaah is invalid for the Hanafi maddhab if one combines prayers, I asked on Sunni Forum. Saeed M told me that this was not classed as combining prayers - I now understand what they meant by 'combining prayers' - they meant that you do 4 raka'as, "equal" to Dhuhr and Asr. I have never done this. But what I found out a couple of months ago is that salaah (for example, Maghrib) doesn't start for example... 8:52pm. I used to think that you had to perform... Maghrib (or any other salaah) at exactly that time, but then somebody told me that salaah can be performed from, for example, 8:52pm (the start of Maghrib) to 10:56pm (the start of Isha'a), as long as you leave enough time for Maghrib to be performed in time for the start of Isha'a, then, if preferred, you can go straight onto performing Isha'a.

Brother marco:

You are correct, there are times when we CAN join prayers, specifically during hajj when one is at 'Arafat and Muzdalifa.

Detailed answer:
http://www.albalagh.net/qa/0082.shtml

In the likes of Hajj and Umrah, you can combine prayers because the likelihood is that the rites of the pilgrimage will run way over time of salaah.

Even with "proof" you'll never be happy. Have you seen the links that have been posted? Try reading them and you might learn something.

Yeah, I thought exactly the same. Everyone else here looking for information browses the webpages people have sent via the forum, why can't you? You do actually learn something. Look how much I've learnt from Sunni Forum? Al-hamdullilah!


Sarah

[Starichok]

Salaam aleykum wa rahmatAllah wa barakatuh


Is it allowed to combine prayers (duhr, asr and magrheb iescha), when there is no other option - let us just assume that your job overlaps the praying times?

Id like to know both hanafi and malikis view at this issue..

Wa baraka allahu ta3laa feekum

Wa 'alaikum asalaam wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuhu

I know you only asked concerning the views of the Hanafis and Malikis, but anyways. I might get slack for this (seeing as people are jumping on you for considering your job and financial stability) but in fiqh Hanbali, the busy man and the working man (the baker and the cook were specificlly mentioned by Sheikhul Islaam Ibn Taymiyah (rah)) is permitted to combine his salaah. There are certain conditions of course, like the sunna of the prophet (saw) is not to combine salaah when he was still in his city, for example.

Wassalaam

[Starichok]

wa `alaykum assalaam wa rahmatullah,
sorry I didn't get it, you mean depending the job, you're allowed to miss a prayer and later pray it with 'asr (if zuhr was missed) or with 'esha?

Asalaamu 'Alaikum

He's saying that the combined prayer =/= the missed prayer. For example, in madhab Hanbali, we can combine the salaah (let's say 'Asr and Zuhr) by praying them both during 'Asr or Zuhr (you'll have the niya of combining them rather than "Oh I missed Zuhr so I'll just combine it" which would be qadha).

And when he said depending on the job, than it means just that, depending on the nature of a person's job, the scholar may give a fatwa in favor of combining.

[joanbertis]

wa `alaykum assalaam wa rahmatullah,
sorry I didn't get it, you mean depending the job, you're allowed to miss a prayer and later pray it with 'asr (if zuhr was missed) or with 'esha?

Dear Brother, Assalaamoalaikum

Brother MuhammadMufti has to some extent explained what I meant in my previous post. However, to ensure that there is no confusion, let me elaborate further.

If one lives in a Muslim country, i.e. where the Shariah is the law, the nature of one's job is not important - as everyone's right to Salaah at the specific times would be recognised. In that case the question of replacing salaah would be valid only if valid causes were available for having missed prayers.

But suppose one lives in a country that is not a muslim country, say the UK, and where secular laws govern. In that case, a Government Employee, for example, would not have the right to go for Zohar, say at 13h00. Depending on office hours and times for salaah, he may also miss Asr salaah. In that case, it is OK if he replaces the prayers missed , say after Maghrib salaah.

If, however, living in the UK, one is a self employed. He needs no permission from anyone to attend to his Salaah. In that case he has no excuse for missing salaah and the issue of combining prayers (replacing what he missed) does not arise - unless of course, for some valid reason he missed one or two or more salaah.

In continuation of my first post, may I add that if one analyses the time schedule for daily salaah, one would see that there is a reason why the various prayers have been timed as we know. Given so, combining prayers (not replacing) would be a serious bid'aa. Such an action would totally undermine the wisdom behind the time schedule for salaah.

Brotherly yours
farook