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yes they are authentic.......maybe a bit too authentic for some!

and there is absolutely nothing wrong in an authentic mufti differing with another mufti. i am not saying mufti taqi uthmani is wrong, but just because he is famous doesnt make him automatically right.

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The Majlis is authored by Maulana Ahmad Sadek Desai Haffizahullah, khalifa of Shaykh Maseehullah Khan Jalalabadi Rahimahullah. Search to see previous posts regarding this. Also our brother Mathbooh can inform further.

Majlis is authentic, stricts and on Haqq.

Last night came across these websites

link and link

Are the above sites authentic ..i am asking this because most of the material on the site is against mufti taqi usmani fatwa's especially the economic and financial fatwas...

The site have written the following about themselves in their "Subscribe us" section....

The Mujlisul Ulama is a body of qualified Ulama who has qualified Muftis in its ranks. The Islamic subjects are thoroughly researched and the Fatawa are all in terms of the principles of the Shariah. The Mujlisul Ulama does not accept the views and opinions of non-Ulama to be authoritative, hence the views, which we publish in The Majlis, are rulings of the Shariah, which Muslims should accept and act o*n.

The Majlis:

• A 12 pages Islamic Journal

• The deen as propounded and practised by Rasulullah(saws) and his illustrious Sahaba(r.a)

• Taleem, Tarbiyat and Tableegh of the Qur'an and the Sunnah.

read more at majlis.net

Can anybody please put some light and check the site.

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mashallah thanks for the replies bro's

No offence to anyone here but

can you bro's advice me about mufti taqi usmanis books and fatwas ....should i stay away from them and his books ??!??

or

should i stay away from him in certain matters.

Ps:i do not have good knowledge about scholarly conflicts going at present in the world.

was salam.

There is no reason for you to stay away from anything of Shaykh (Mufti) Taqi Usmani (HA).

Ulama have Academic discussions and this shouldn't concern any of us at all. We respect Shaykh (Mufti) Taqi Usmani (HA), Shaykh (Mufti) Ebraheem Desai (HA), Shaykh (Mufti) A.S. Desai (HA) and all other Ulama and as laymen these matters shouldn't concern us at all.

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The Majlis is authored by Maulana Ahmad Sadek Desai Haffizahullah, khalifa of Shaykh Maseehullah Khan Jalalabadi Rahimahullah. Search to see previous posts regarding this. Also our brother Mathbooh can inform further.

Majlis is authentic, stricts and on Haqq.

http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/show...886#post636886

was salaam

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Mufti Saheb is one of the few remnants left today of the Deobandi Akabir. Appreciate him while he is with us.

brother Mathbooh for the useful biography:

Moulana is a 72 year old,South African(3rd generation iirc) aalim who is a senior khalifah of Ml.Maseehullah Khan Sherwani(r.a.).Moulana gained his initial prominance due to Ml.Maseehullah(r.a.) fondness of him. Moulana was one of the most hard working students in the madressah, completed his studies and was given Ijazah in a very short period of time. Moulana has been involved in various branches of deen. Moulana is a sheikh of tasawwuf,was/is involved in the ta'leem of children,maktab and other levels iirc, also through his awake magazine and al-haq,al-majlis and other publications. Moulana has compiled plenty of books on different speres of deen, including fatawa, tasawwuf, ibadat, responses to baatil, fiqh, aqeedah and many more.

Moulana was also involved in jihad, running jihad camps in the mountains of the Eastern Cape province of South Africa,and he had links to several of the afghan mujahideen. I am not sure if he spent time in afghanistan just as an observer or if he was active in the actual jihad against the soviets. Moulana is a vocifirous votary of the caucus mujahideen. Moulana also runs a humanitarian organisation known as SOSH/servants of suffering humanity. Moulana also runs an extensive project which is known as the maktab project. It is run in many countries, primarily in bangladesh and impoverished muslim communities that have little deen and where christian missioneries are active. In 1999, there were 600 maktab madrasahs run by moulana. I don't know about the present situation.

It was during one of moulanas visits to the madrasahs in bangladesh that Moulana was arrested and imprisoned in Bangladesh by the CID of Bangladesh and the CIA. Moulana was improsened for 6 months without being formally charged and he was stuck in Bangladesh for another 6 months as his passport was confiscated. During Moulanas detention, he was continously interrogated for 29 days by CID,during which sleep depravation e.t.c. were employed. He was thereafter interrogated by the CIA.During the CIA interrogations he was taken to an elite suburb of Dakha. Amongst the things he was accused of were: Financing al-qaida and Usama Bin Laden; Owning diamond mines with Usama; funding jihad throughn his 'diamond mines'; conspiring to overthrow the bangali government, assasinating intellectuals, secularists, senior millitary officials e.t.c.; Being part of Usama's command structure; establishing 421 jihad training units in Bangladesh e.t.c..During Ml. improsenment, he had the full support of the S.A. govt. and the embassy in Delhi. Embassy officials were sent to report on his well-being and to liase with his legal team and inspect his madrasahs.

Moulana gained a lot of stick during the late 90's from other deobandis. Moulana was involved in a controversy.He was part of a fact finding mission(of his organisation) to afghanistan. His report on the taliban was critical.He was critical of their 'wastage of food', misappropriation of funds, tolerance of bid'ah, acceptance of bay'ah of the shiahs, allowing televisions to be transported through afghanistan,'forsaking the salafi mujahideen on the pretext of them being salafi' e.t.c. However, in 2000/2001 iirc, when the taliban 'corrected' some of these issues he praised them.
Moulana has travel restrictions placed on him.

Moulana is very strict in his fatawa and very harsh in his language. It is not appropriate for laymen to desrespect ulama/certain ulama on the basis of his writings.
May Allah unite the ulama on haq.

was salam

Mufti Ibrahim Desai’s (Damat Barakatuhum) explanation of the Mufti’s tone and language which can be quite harsh at times:

Answer

In the name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful

Assalaamu `alaykum waRahmatullahi Wabarakatoh

The editor of the Majlis, Hazrath Moulana Ahmad Sadeck Desai Saheb Madda Zilluhu is an Aalim of a very high calibre. He has a deep understanding of Shariah. This is clearly gauged from his innumerable publications. Hazrath Moulana is the Khalifa of Hazrath Maseehullah Khan Saheb rahmatullah alayh. Hazrath has been selflessly dedicated to Amal bil Maroof and Nahi Anil Munkar for the past few decades. Hazrath is also engaged in various other activities. It is surprising how much one person can do. Allah has granted Hazrath great courage and strength. He is a person of high level of taqwa and mujahadah. He does not go after position and fame. If that was the case, Hazrath would not have selflessly and openly condemned many wrongs and evils for the fear of becoming unpopular. Many people throughout the world continue to benefit from Hazrath Moulana’s publications.

Television is haram and we concur with Hazrath’s view on that. It is possible that the different radio stations err in some issues. If Hazrath points that out, it should be accepted and corrected. It is incorrect to brand Hazrath of being over extreme when he is fulfilling his obligation on Nahi Anil Munkar. Those that claim that Hazrath is extreme, what is their measure to claim that? If people violate the laws of Shariah and Hazrath rightfully condemns that, how can that be extremism? What do such people expect Hazrath to do? Keep quiet? What will that be then? Complacence, which is a sin.

It should also be pointed out that differences of opinions among academics is regarded as academic honesty. This is common even among academics in secular qualifications. The different views among the Ulama, based on academics is a mercy upon the ummah and should be tolerated. If other Ulama have differing views from Hazrath’s views and both are based on academic substantiations, then it will be incorrect to brand any one view as being an extreme view. While we concur with Hazrath on the issue of television and open wrongs of television and radio stations, we may differ with him on other issues. However, we will respect his view and tolerate it as Hazrath’s views are generally substantiated by Shariah.

If anyone claims to have an academically different opinion and he does not stand up to the academic challenges made to him, that is academic dishonesty and such an opinion cannot be tolerated as that is regarded as academic dishonesty.

Another issue is the tone and manner of condemning a vice. This is based of hikmah and wisdom. At times, the Quran condemns certain wrongs in certain ways, medium to harsh. This is based on what is best in the interest of that time and matter. An Aalim of Deen is imbued with hikmah. He exercises that hikmah and whatever he honestly feels between him and Allah is the most efficient tone in condemning a wrong, he does that.

The different ways of Ulama condemning wrongs, some with softness and others harshly etc. should be viewed in this light. Concentrate on the actual issue pointed out rather than focus on the style and tone.

When the laws of Shairah are violated and people, especially Ulama, keep quiet, that incurs the wrath of Allah. The silence of Ulama will lead to distortion of Shariah and Deen. Allah condemned the Ulama of theYahood and Nasaara for keeping quiet against open violation of the Shariah. Rasulullah (صلى الله عليه وسلم) said, “This knowledge of Deen will be carried by just people from pious predecessors. They will refute distortions of extremists, refute baseless claims and wrong interpretations of ignorant people”.

And Allah knows best

Wassalam

Mufti Ebrahim Desai

A short account by Brother Muadh, when he met the venerable Mufti:

Its also very important to know the person whose Fatwa you are reading so here is a first hand report from a Scholar about our noble and respected Shaykh (Mufti) A.S Desai or Majlis(South Africa:

I met Hazrat Maulana AS a couple of weeks back. He is absolutely a Wali of this time. Where would you find a person in this age with plain clothings, I counted 4 or 5 patches on his clothing. his hair was extremely oiled as though he just took a shower. He reminded me of the ahadeeth about Nabi salallahu alayhi wasallam. He was more like bubbly, would talk in hyperness. Extremely witty. Walked with firmly grounding his foot. When he met Mufti XXX's son the first thing he did was masnoon dua. In the entire time I spent in his company, I grew more and more closer to him. I felt being drawn to him like a magnet. His talk was none of the vocabulary of his writing, but simple English. At time he would explain something trivial but somehow the way he would speak would convince us.

He reminded me of no one but a Wali of Allah. Extremely Mutabi' sunnah, and pleasant to be in company of. Firm on his stance.

P.S: Now, his Fatwaas and views on Tassawuff make sense as he is close follower of Sunnah and doesn't like any deviation from it.

The Mufti’s advice to others is not to adopt his tone and harshness when addressing others. This is his advice to one of his students:

ASSALAMU ALAIKUM

30 Muharram 1430 (26-01-2009)

Abdus Sattaar Syed
Cape Town

Respected Brother,

Your e-mail dated 24-01-2009 refers.

Islaah of the Nafs is of paramount importance. In all spheres of life,
whether in business, in family affairs, or Deeni matters, never be
neglectful of this aspect. It is essential to always examine the
intention and the motive. Even when embarking on a Deeni project,
refelect, do some soul searching and endeavour to fathom yourself to
detect whether the niyyat is sincere or contaminated with some
nafsaani motive.

When a person always adopts the practice of reflection before action,
then after some time Allah Ta'ala bestows to him the capacity of swift
detection of any thief which may be lurking in his heart. When we
criticize those whom we believe are on baatil, we should do so with
trepidation, recite Istighfaar and think deeply before the criticism
to ascertain whether the criticism is indeed motivated by Ikhlaas and
by a concern for the Haqq.

It is best and safest for laymen to strictly adhere to the issue and
not deflect therefrom. For example, when you criticize Sanha, only
point out to them their flaws, their errors and the harm they are
causing with their halaalization projects. Do not degenerate to a
personal level where you will brand them with labels and epithets in
the way in which we (Mujlisul Ulama) do. We have our own Deeni agenda
and we understand what we are doing. It is not for everyone to adopt
our methodology.

If for example a person's father is committing haraam, then it is the
duty of the son to offer naseehat. He shall plead and advise his
father. He will speak with affection and respect, addressing his
father appropriately. If his father consumes liquor, he may not begin
his naseehat by saying: "Drunkard! Faasiq, Faajir! On the other hand,
if the father admonishes his son for the latter's misdemeanours, it
will be proper for him (for the father) to say: 'O faasiq! O
shaitaan!, etc. etc.

Thus if a layman admonishes a Molvi who has strayed, he should not
address him as we do, e.g. 'Ulama-e-Soo!, etc. Relationship, rank and
position should be taken into consideration when criticizing.
Everyone does not have the same right of acquittal.

Furthermore, make dua of hidaayat and general goodness for those who
are being criticized and for those whom we believe to be on baatil,
and at the same time supplicate for our own safety and protection of
Imaan, for we do not know what the morrow holds for us.

So, do speak out strongly against baatil, but restrict the criticism
to the acts and save the culprits from epithets. Don't imitate our
example in this respect.

........................

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Sorry for barging in, but just in case anyone is not aware you can e-mail Hazrat Mufti A S Desai at mujlisul.ulama@gmail.com He is extremely accessible by e-mail and the record was once when he replied to my e-mail within hours.

Hope that help.
Jazakallah khair

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Sorry for barging in, but just in case anyone is not aware you can e-mail Hazrat Mufti A S Desai at mujlisul.ulama@gmail.com He is extremely accessible by e-mail and the record was once when he replied to my e-mail within hours.

Hope that help.
Jazakallah khair

Absolutely he is Masha'Allah very accessible and people should email the noble Shaykh and discuss matters with him.

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Wa'alaikum salaam Col Hardstone

Just wondering do you know more abt Mujlisul Ulama? I understand due to tawadhu' he wouldn't brag abt his organisational details online, but is it truly a one-man effort?

Or is it a panel of scholars of whom he is the ameer?

He writes all the books, replies promptly to e-mails, gives bayaans etc. that's nothing short of a miracle...

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The slander against Hadhrat Abu Zarr Ghifafaari (Radiallahu anhu)

Assalamualaikum
Who was Abu Zar Ghifaari? We were told that he was commanded to go and stay in the jungles because of his sakht mizaaj (strict temperament) and because everything for him was haraam.
I find many people saying this against orthodox Ulama like the Majlis and the Gauteng Jamiat!
Please advise

The response of The Jamiatul Ulama Gauteng:

Assalamu-Alaykum
Innalillahi wa inna ilayhi ra-je-oon!
How tragic and heartbreaking!

A great Sahaabah (radiallahu anhu) is slandered and reviled. Let the people who informed you of the "sakht mizaaj” of Hadhrat Abu Zarr Ghifaari (radiallahu anhu) and know the accusation that he made “everything haram," of the tremendous danger they are exposing their Imaan to.

Nabi Salallahu alaihi wasallam warned us to be careful and to fear Allah with regards to his Sahaabah. Whomsoever had bughdh (enmity) for the illustrious Sahaabah has in reality deep down, enmity for Nabi Salallahu alaihi wasalllam.
To use words like "sakht mizaaj" and that Hadhrat Abu Zar Ghifaari (radiallahu anhu) "made everything Haraam" is the worst type of slander.

Respected sister! Listen carefully, tread fearfully for Nabi Salallahu alaihi wasallam praised Hadhrat Abu Zarr and said:
"Neither has the sky shaded one more truthful and honest than Abu Dharr nor has the earth had anyone walk over it like him. (In these matters) he is like Isa bin Maryam." (Tirmidhi) Nabi Salallahu alyhi wasallam also said, "Abu Dharr walks on earth with the piety of Isa bin Maryam." (Tirmidhi)

Allah's Rasul Sallallahu alaihi wasallam likens the piety of his beloved companion to a Nabi like Eesa alaihis salaam, yet some ignorant persons today accuse him of making everything Haraam. The tongue of Nabi Salallahu alaihi wasallam showers petals of praises concerning his honesty and truthfulness, the tongues of those who bear hatred for the truth spit poison labelling him as "sakht mizaaj".

A person who makes everything Haraam can never be a Muslim, let alone one who is given the glad tidings of being like a Nabi in piety and that too by Sayyidina wa Nabiyyina Muhammed Salallahu alaihi wasallam.

Though we are not even worth the dust of the shoes of Hadhrat Abu Zarr Ghifaari (radiallahu anhu), the Jamiatul Ulama Gauteng is indeed honoured to be mentioned in the same breath as Hadhrat Abu Zarr Ghifaari (radiallahu anhu).

We praise Allah alone for this undeserved compliment and are certain that every single "orthodox" Aalim who propagates the Truth and upholds the Sunnah will also bow their heads in gratitude to Allah, Most High.
Was-Salaam

Source: The Shariah vol 2 no 6

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Mufti Saheb is one of the few remnants left today of the Deobandi Akabir. Appreciate him while he is with us.

brother Mathbooh for the useful biography:

Originally Posted by Mathbooh Moulana is a 72 year old,South African(3rd generation iirc) aalim who is a senior khalifah of Ml.Maseehullah Khan Sherwani(r.a.).Moulana gained his initial prominance due to Ml.Maseehullah(r.a.) fondness of him. Moulana was one of the most hard working students in the madressah, completed his studies and was given Ijazah in a very short period of time. Moulana has been involved in various branches of deen. Moulana is a sheikh of tasawwuf,was/is involved in the ta'leem of children,maktab and other levels iirc, also through his awake magazine and al-haq,al-majlis and other publications. Moulana has compiled plenty of books on different speres of deen, including fatawa, tasawwuf, ibadat, responses to baatil, fiqh, aqeedah and many more.

Moulana was also involved in jihad, running jihad camps in the mountains of the Eastern Cape province of South Africa,and he had links to several of the afghan mujahideen. I am not sure if he spent time in afghanistan just as an observer or if he was active in the actual jihad against the soviets. Moulana is a vocifirous votary of the caucus mujahideen. Moulana also runs a humanitarian organisation known as SOSH/servants of suffering humanity. Moulana also runs an extensive project which is known as the maktab project. It is run in many countries, primarily in bangladesh and impoverished muslim communities that have little deen and where christian missioneries are active. In 1999, there were 600 maktab madrasahs run by moulana. I don't know about the present situation.

It was during one of moulanas visits to the madrasahs in bangladesh that Moulana was arrested and imprisoned in Bangladesh by the CID of Bangladesh and the CIA. Moulana was improsened for 6 months without being formally charged and he was stuck in Bangladesh for another 6 months as his passport was confiscated. During Moulanas detention, he was continously interrogated for 29 days by CID,during which sleep depravation e.t.c. were employed. He was thereafter interrogated by the CIA.During the CIA interrogations he was taken to an elite suburb of Dakha. Amongst the things he was accused of were: Financing al-qaida and Usama Bin Laden; Owning diamond mines with Usama; funding jihad throughn his 'diamond mines'; conspiring to overthrow the bangali government, assasinating intellectuals, secularists, senior millitary officials e.t.c.; Being part of Usama's command structure; establishing 421 jihad training units in Bangladesh e.t.c..During Ml. improsenment, he had the full support of the S.A. govt. and the embassy in Delhi. Embassy officials were sent to report on his well-being and to liase with his legal team and inspect his madrasahs.

Moulana gained a lot of stick during the late 90's from other deobandis. Moulana was involved in a controversy.He was part of a fact finding mission(of his organisation) to afghanistan. His report on the taliban was critical.He was critical of their 'wastage of food', misappropriation of funds, tolerance of bid'ah, acceptance of bay'ah of the shiahs, allowing televisions to be transported through afghanistan,'forsaking the salafi mujahideen on the pretext of them being salafi' e.t.c. However, in 2000/2001 iirc, when the taliban 'corrected' some of these issues he praised them.
Moulana has travel restrictions placed on him.

Moulana is very strict in his fatawa and very harsh in his language. It is not appropriate for laymen to desrespect ulama/certain ulama on the basis of his writings.
May Allah unite the ulama on haq.

was salam

Mufti Ibrahim Desai’s (Damat Barakatuhum) praise of the Mufti's taqwa and calibre, and an explanation of his tone and language which can be quite harsh at times:

Answer

In the name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful

Assalaamu `alaykum waRahmatullahi Wabarakatoh

The editor of the Majlis, Hazrath Moulana Ahmad Sadeck Desai Saheb Madda Zilluhu is an Aalim of a very high calibre. He has a deep understanding of Shariah. This is clearly gauged from his innumerable publications. Hazrath Moulana is the Khalifa of Hazrath Maseehullah Khan Saheb rahmatullah alayh. Hazrath has been selflessly dedicated to Amal bil Maroof and Nahi Anil Munkar for the past few decades. Hazrath is also engaged in various other activities. It is surprising how much one person can do. Allah has granted Hazrath great courage and strength. He is a person of high level of taqwa and mujahadah. He does not go after position and fame. If that was the case, Hazrath would not have selflessly and openly condemned many wrongs and evils for the fear of becoming unpopular. Many people throughout the world continue to benefit from Hazrath Moulana’s publications.

Television is haram and we concur with Hazrath’s view on that. It is possible that the different radio stations err in some issues. If Hazrath points that out, it should be accepted and corrected. It is incorrect to brand Hazrath of being over extreme when he is fulfilling his obligation on Nahi Anil Munkar. Those that claim that Hazrath is extreme, what is their measure to claim that? If people violate the laws of Shariah and Hazrath rightfully condemns that, how can that be extremism? What do such people expect Hazrath to do? Keep quiet? What will that be then? Complacence, which is a sin.

It should also be pointed out that differences of opinions among academics is regarded as academic honesty. This is common even among academics in secular qualifications. The different views among the Ulama, based on academics is a mercy upon the ummah and should be tolerated. If other Ulama have differing views from Hazrath’s views and both are based on academic substantiations, then it will be incorrect to brand any one view as being an extreme view. While we concur with Hazrath on the issue of television and open wrongs of television and radio stations, we may differ with him on other issues. However, we will respect his view and tolerate it as Hazrath’s views are generally substantiated by Shariah.

If anyone claims to have an academically different opinion and he does not stand up to the academic challenges made to him, that is academic dishonesty and such an opinion cannot be tolerated as that is regarded as academic dishonesty.

Another issue is the tone and manner of condemning a vice. This is based of hikmah and wisdom. At times, the Quran condemns certain wrongs in certain ways, medium to harsh. This is based on what is best in the interest of that time and matter. An Aalim of Deen is imbued with hikmah. He exercises that hikmah and whatever he honestly feels between him and Allah is the most efficient tone in condemning a wrong, he does that.

The different ways of Ulama condemning wrongs, some with softness and others harshly etc. should be viewed in this light. Concentrate on the actual issue pointed out rather than focus on the style and tone.

When the laws of Shairah are violated and people, especially Ulama, keep quiet, that incurs the wrath of Allah. The silence of Ulama will lead to distortion of Shariah and Deen. Allah condemned the Ulama of theYahood and Nasaara for keeping quiet against open violation of the Shariah. Rasulullah (صلى الله عليه وسلم) said, “This knowledge of Deen will be carried by just people from pious predecessors. They will refute distortions of extremists, refute baseless claims and wrong interpretations of ignorant people”.

And Allah knows best

Wassalam

Mufti Ebrahim Desai

A short account by Brother Muadh, taken from another brother who met him:

Its also very important to know the person whose Fatwa you are reading so here is a first hand report from a Scholar about our noble and respected Shaykh (Mufti) A.S Desai or Majlis(South Africa:

I met Hazrat Maulana AS a couple of weeks back. He is absolutely a Wali of this time. Where would you find a person in this age with plain clothings, I counted 4 or 5 patches on his clothing. his hair was extremely oiled as though he just took a shower. He reminded me of the ahadeeth about Nabi salallahu alayhi wasallam. He was more like bubbly, would talk in hyperness. Extremely witty. Walked with firmly grounding his foot. When he met Mufti XXX's son the first thing he did was masnoon dua. In the entire time I spent in his company, I grew more and more closer to him. I felt being drawn to him like a magnet. His talk was none of the vocabulary of his writing, but simple English. At time he would explain something trivial but somehow the way he would speak would convince us.

He reminded me of no one but a Wali of Allah. Extremely Mutabi' sunnah, and pleasant to be in company of. Firm on his stance.

P.S: Now, his Fatwaas and views on Tassawuff make sense as he is close follower of Sunnah and doesn't like any deviation from it.

The Mufti’s advice to others is not to adopt his tone and harshness when addressing others. This is his advice to one of his students:

ASSALAMU ALAIKUM

30 Muharram 1430 (26-01-2009)

Abdus Sattaar Syed
Cape Town

Respected Brother,

Your e-mail dated 24-01-2009 refers.

Islaah of the Nafs is of paramount importance. In all spheres of life,
whether in business, in family affairs, or Deeni matters, never be
neglectful of this aspect. It is essential to always examine the
intention and the motive. Even when embarking on a Deeni project,
refelect, do some soul searching and endeavour to fathom yourself to
detect whether the niyyat is sincere or contaminated with some
nafsaani motive.

When a person always adopts the practice of reflection before action,
then after some time Allah Ta'ala bestows to him the capacity of swift
detection of any thief which may be lurking in his heart. When we
criticize those whom we believe are on baatil, we should do so with
trepidation, recite Istighfaar and think deeply before the criticism
to ascertain whether the criticism is indeed motivated by Ikhlaas and
by a concern for the Haqq.

It is best and safest for laymen to strictly adhere to the issue and
not deflect therefrom. For example, when you criticize Sanha, only
point out to them their flaws, their errors and the harm they are
causing with their halaalization projects. Do not degenerate to a
personal level where you will brand them with labels and epithets in
the way in which we (Mujlisul Ulama) do. We have our own Deeni agenda
and we understand what we are doing. It is not for everyone to adopt
our methodology.

If for example a person's father is committing haraam, then it is the
duty of the son to offer naseehat. He shall plead and advise his
father. He will speak with affection and respect, addressing his
father appropriately. If his father consumes liquor, he may not begin
his naseehat by saying: "Drunkard! Faasiq, Faajir! On the other hand,
if the father admonishes his son for the latter's misdemeanours, it
will be proper for him (for the father) to say: 'O faasiq! O
shaitaan!, etc. etc.

Thus if a layman admonishes a Molvi who has strayed, he should not
address him as we do, e.g. 'Ulama-e-Soo!, etc. Relationship, rank and
position should be taken into consideration when criticizing.
Everyone does not have the same right of acquittal.

Furthermore, make dua of hidaayat and general goodness for those who
are being criticized and for those whom we believe to be on baatil,
and at the same time supplicate for our own safety and protection of
Imaan, for we do not know what the morrow holds for us.

So, do speak out strongly against baatil, but restrict the criticism
to the acts and save the culprits from epithets. Don't imitate our
example in this respect.

........................

To add to the above, Sister mmb786 posted:

Ml desai is a senior khalifah of moulana maseehullah khan sahib (R.A). after completing his studies he was set to go to America and become a lawyer, he went to india for some reason and visted ML maseehullah R.A, who made a great impression on his life. Ml maseehullah (R.A) took an immense liking to him and asked him to stay on and do his aalim course… and ml stayed, completed his aalim course and got khillafat.

Ml is very strict on the shariah (who doesn’ know that!) and he is an extremely busy man, he does ALOT of deen work, runs thousands of maktabs and madaaris throughout the world, writes and translates loads of literature, has to reply to dozens of correspondence’s etc. Every day… and yet he finds time to personally cook a pot of food for the poor every morning and make it into sandwiches, the beggers of the town know ml’s home and come to fetch their sandwiches when they are hungry. Forget the beggers, ml feeds the wild birds who visit his yard everyday and he has soo much of taqwa and concern for the creation that when he goes to Durban and Johannesburg (which he does regularly) he gives the responsibility of feeding the birds every morning to his neighbor so that when those birds who are accustomed to finding their food come, they do not leave his yard disappointed! :Subhan: remember we not talking about a guy who has time to sit on his porch and count the stars, this is a man drowning in work!!!

Ml only sleeps 2 hours per night and spends the rest of the night in ibaadah, my friend told me that she saw the musallah which ml uses to perform nafl salaah on, and that musallah has been used soo much that there are literally HOLES by the feet, hands and forehead places on that musallah! Also ml fasts every day except twice a week for years, unless he is travelling or seriously unwell etc.

He lives extremely simple and is very humble, wears and patches his clothes until he can’t use them anymore. ML's entire house is bare of all unnecessary furniture (including couches and kitchen units!) every single room in his house (except his bedroom) resembles a library, almost the entire house, including the passage, has shelves from ceiling to floor and is lined with kitaabs upon kitaabs. He generally walks to the masjid for salaah. Eid nights he remains awake the entire night in ibaadah and deeni work. Also ml is constantly conscience of death, an example is: someone asked him why do you travel by car when going to Durban and Johannesburg (a 10 – 12 hour journey by car) instead of taking a flight? He replied that he won’t do so becoz he wouldn’t like maut to find him whilst in the plane amongst the kuffaaar and their liquor and nudity etc. he rather take the long journey and be safe!

insha-ALLAH when i get more info on ml i will post...

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A reply by Mufti AS Desai to an email of mine:

Respected Brother,
*
Your e-mail dated 12 March 2011 refers. While we do not answer
letters questioning our attitude and methodology, we shall go this
extra mile to assist you to understand reality.
*
People who have no real intention of following the Deen,* present
the excuse of* 'harsh attitude' and 'akhlaaq' to justify their
misdeeds. With this red herring they deflect the minds of people
from the problem and the corruption.
*
For example, when a Molvi* sits in a church under twelve crosses
alongside priests and engages in prayers,* these critics do not see
the harshness, the lack of akhlaaq and the kufr of this practice.
But when* someone criticizes the kufr, he is* reviled on the basis
of his 'harshness'.
*
When molvies* commit capital kufr by abrogating* the ahkaam of the
Shariah with their kufr MMB, people* accept such harsh* perpetration
of kufr. But when we* criticize this perpetration, we are reviled
for being 'too harsh'. Furthermore, what you are blissfully unaware
of is that our 'harsh attitude' is instituted after all other
methods of consulting and convincing the miscreants have failed.
When they are not prepared to listen* and* meaningfully discuss in
privacy, then our 'harsh' attitude becomes Waajib, nay Fardh.
*
Since all of these critics enjoy the haraam activities which the
molvies have halaalized nowadays, they try to justify and defend the
evil practices and the errant molvies. But in the process of doing
so they are unable to refute* our arguments. They only harp on our
attitude and methodology. In this way they detract attention from
the problem.
*
Our attitude is commensurate with the crime. If our tone appears to
be 'too harsh', then their crime is too vile. The attitude is the
effect of the villainy of the sin.
*
Most people fail to understand the permissibility,* efficacy,* and
necessity of the 'harsh' attitude because they lack knowledge of the
variety of attitudes among the Ambiya and the Sahaabah. While they
harp on one dimension of Rasulullah's attitude, they are ignorant or
deliberately blind to the other 'harsh' dimension which* dictated
even gourging out the eyes of criminals. They* forget that in Daarul
Islam the consequence of the type of kufr they are perpetrating
nowadays is execution with the
sword. We do not know if execution* with the sword is 'too harsh' or
within the confines of* 'good akhlaaq'.* We do not know if whipping
in the public is perhaps 'too harsh' or* not within the limits of
'good akhlaaq'.
*
Once Rasulullah (sallallahu alayhi wasallam) remarked to a person
who looked into the house, that he felt like throwing a scissors
into his eyes. Nabi (sallallahu alayhi wasallam) said that hot iron
rods will be inserted into the eyes of a man who looks at the beauty
of a strange woman. Are these comments perhaps 'too harsh', and do
they not form part of 'good akhlaaq'.
*
Nabi Musa (alayhis salaam) without making the slightest
investigation to establish the factual position grabbed hold of the
hair and beard of Nabi Haaroon (alayhis salaam), his elder brother,
and violently shook him. Allah Ta'ala did not* upbraid him for this
act. Allah Ta'ala upheld it. Was his* violent act against his elder,
Nabi brother* perhaps 'too harsh'. Was his action* beyond the
confines of 'good akhlaaq'?
*
When the Qur'aan and Rasulullah (sallallahu alayhi wasallam)
describe* the believers and doers of immorality and kufr to be
kaafiroon, fasiqoon, faajiroon, jaahiloon, munaafiqoon, etc., are
these epithets 'too harsh' and beyond the confines of 'good
akhlaaq'?
*
Is the halaalizing* and consumption of rotten, diseased haraam
carrion a tolerable deed? Is it not 'too harsh' to make halaal what
Allah has made haraam'. Does 'good akhlaaq' allow that we feed
carrion and poison to your children? If your beloved child is about
to ingest a lethal poison and we who are observing this suicidal act
leave the child* to consume the poison because he/she* refuses to
accept our soft and 'akhlaaqi' approach to* abstain from the poison,
will you praise and commend us for our 'good akhlaaq' and not
adopting 'too harsh a tone', when you see the dead body of your
child - dead because of the poison and dead because we contented
ourselves with 'good akhlaaq'? Or will you praise us and shower on
us other rewards if we had* harshly grabbed your* child's hand and
rudely* snatched the poison from his hand and left him* kicking up a
tantram like Sanha and Radio Shaitaan?
*
Once when a molvi* said that he felt like becoming a Christian,
Hadhrat Maulana Ashraf Ali Thanvi (rahmatullah alayh) gave him a
full and a hard* clout full in the face and shouted at him:
'Shaitaan! Get away and become a Christian!' Those who have read the
writings of Hadhrat Thanvi can testify to his 'too harsh' attitude.
So 'harsh' was* his attitude and methodology that even The Majlis
would not have become his mureed if* it (The Majlis) had existed
during* Hadhrat's lifetime. Was* the action and attitude of Hadhrat
Hakeemul Ummat then 'too harsh' and beyond the confines of 'good
akhlaaq' merely because we may not be able to tolerate it?
*
Hadhrat Gangohi (rahmatullah alayh) said in his fatwa* that those
who believe against and propagate against polygamy like the MMB
crowd, will 'hang upside down in Jahannum'; they are 'kaafirs,
murtads, enemies of Allah, enemies of the Rasool,etc., etc.' Was his
attitude 'too harsh' and beyond the limits of 'good akhlaaq'?
*
Brother, we can write a volume of examples from the lives of the
Ambiya, Rasulullah (sallallahu alayhi wasallam), the Sahaabah and
the Auliya* to show the beloved 'harsh attitude' which* by Allah
Azza Wa Jal is an act of ibaadat of the highest merit. You will not
hesitate to permit the doctor to treat you harshly by stabbing into
your body and cutting you up and opening up your heart to* save you
from the disease which threatens to destroy you. Because you
understand* physical and worldly benefits, you will praise and
reward the doctor who had treated your harshly. But since* deep down
in your heart* Deeni benefit is an insignificant issue,* the 'harsh
attitude' argument is a convenient scape-goat for justifying the
maladies* of kufr, fisq and fujoor. But when we adopt 'harsh
attitudes' to operate on Muslims who are suffering from spiritual
cancer and spiritual Aids, then there is a clamour of baseless
criticism.
*
People should look at their crimes and their harsh attitudes of
pride and arrogance, not at our 'harsh'* remedial attitude. The
problem, disease and cancer are their sins* while our 'harsh'
attitude is the medicine and the cure for the malignant cancer which
is* devouring their hearts, souls and bodies.
*
Was-salaam
*
A.S. Desai
*
For
*
Mujlisul Ulama of S.A.***

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yes they are authentic.......maybe a bit too authentic for some!

they have a lot of good books and articles on there too as well, but they are very stern when it comes to Salafis and some others.

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Bismillah. majlis.net is authentic. the main problem people have with the author is his straightforwardness nature and harshness at times.

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Bismillah. majlis.net is authentic. the main problem people have with the author is his straightforwardness nature and harshness at times.

And you know whats the most amazing part? some of these very same people need to have themselves sorted out first. I know a typical real life example, who happens to be my aunts husband. He forever has MAJOR issues with Moulana Desai's harsh conduct and bluntness etc etc etc. But if you see his own conduct with his wife, kids and even parents - you'll think moulana desai is made out of burfee or something. That's how sweet he is in comparison!

Some people only like to give but can't take.

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i have also seen Ulama who speak out against this harsh tone. Yet when they are in the ascendancy in a debate, they resort to the same style and tone.

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Most people would reserve their harsh tone and manners to likes of the drunkard mentioned below:

Okay, of course i'm going to relate an incident about Ml Ahmed Saadiq Desai of the majlis.....

A ceratian relative, living in port elizabeth close to ml desai told me this herself.... It was a freezing cold day and her husband went to see moulana for some work. She decided to wait outside moulanas home in the car, since they intended to go shopping thereafter.

Earlier that day her house doorbell rang, and there outside stood this dirty smelly drunkard. Because of the way this guy looked and he was obviously a bit drunk, they (her husband and her) didnt give him anything or even opon the door at all.

Now while she's sitting in the car, she see's this same man ringing moulana's doorbell. Moulana comes and opens the door, asks the guy to take a seat on his doorstep and goes back indoors. After a few minutes he returns with sandwiches and a steaming mug of coffee and serves this drunkard himself. The man eats his fill and leaves happily.

My relative said after observing all this, she sat i the car fighting back tears because of the way this incident touched her and caused her to feel guilty about her own insensitivity. She and so many other neighbors like herself, did not bother to give this person a second look and probably even looked down upon him for being a drunkard on the streets, and yet moulana, in spite of being so busy, left all his work aside and made time to prepare a meal and himself serve him... (!)

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Hadhrat Maulana Ashraf Ali Thanvi (rahmatullah alayh) said:

“To vilify fussaaq is the right and office of the Ulama. In fact , they also have the right to vilify pious people if this is necessary for maintaining the law and order of the Shariah. One Buzrug Aalim in his entire life branded Shaikh Akbar (rahmatullah alayh) as a ‘zindeeq’ (A zindeeq is a kaafir). When the news of Shaikh Akbar’s demise was conveyed to the Buzrug, he cried and commented: “Alas! Today a great Siddique has passed away.” Very much surprised, the people said: ‘Your entire life you branded him a zindeeq, but today you say he was a great Siddique! If he had held such a lofty status, why did you vilify him in such a manner?” Why have you deprived us of his blessings?” The Buzrug replied: “Undoubtedly, he was a Siddique of lofty status. But you would not have derived any benefit from him. If you had cult ivated his company, you would assuredly have become zindeeqs. His subtle knowledge was beyond your intellect. You would have misunderstood his discourses and would have become involved in zindaqah (a type of kufr).” The Ulama, for maintaining the order of the Shariah, sometimes are constrained to vilify even pious persons. This is the right of only the Ulama, not of the laity.”

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Assalaamu `Alaykum wa Rahmatullaah.

There is no doubt as to the authenticity of the Fataawaa of Bare Hadhrat (Maulana Saadiq). I can guarantee any person, if he follows the views of Maulana with regards food and drink, then yes; he will end up having to leave off many things which he had liked, but he will never fall into Haraam. Maulana's views with regards to food are the harshest views, but they are the safest.

Maulana often issues Fataawaa on the basis of what is known in Sharee`ah as "Sadd-uz-Zaraa'i" (Closing the door which leads to evil). If he sees that some permissible action might lead towards Haraam and Ma`siyat, then he gives a Fatwa against it and condemns it, despite the fact that the other `Ulama might support it, and this is from his Firaasah (fore-sight).

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Assalaamu `Alaykum wa Rahmatullaah.

There is no doubt as to the authenticity of the Fataawaa of Bare Hadhrat (Maulana Saadiq). I can guarantee any person, if he follows the views of Maulana with regards food and drink, then yes; he will end up having to leave off many things which he had liked, but he will never fall into Haraam. Maulana's views with regards to food are the harshest views, but they are the safest.

Maulana often issues Fataawaa on the basis of what is known in Sharee`ah as "Sadd-uz-Zaraa'i" (Closing the door which leads to evil). If he sees that some permissible action might lead towards Haraam and Ma`siyat, then he gives a Fatwa against it and condemns it, despite the fact that the other `Ulama might support it, and this is from his Firaasah (fore-sight).

Brother Huzaifah, have you met Mufti Saheb and do you know him well?