[Bridgester]

Dear brothers and sisters on sunniforum,

The thread I began earlier 'Hijab Hijab Hijab' has been closed after just one day. In this short time I have also been called a Pervezi and words like 'apostasy' and 'kafir' have been used in some of the reply comments. Do you enjoy speaking like this? Does it give you some happiness that you can go home and tell your children about? What is a Pervezi? I live in South East Asia and we are not conversant with Pervezism. Please do not call names. It shows a defficiency in your persons.

Where are the hijab verses from the Quran? Someone aid I am a lay person (meaning I am not a scholar) so I am not qualified to talk about "religion"? If that is the case then I assume the rest of the people here are scholars. Ok so where is at least one quotation from the Quran where the word HIJAAB is mentioned?

Another person asked if I believed in the hadith. Another person suggested that I start a new thread to discuss hadith. Well I dont have much choice. Here goes.

Do I believe in the hadith? Most certainly. As Muslims we have no choice. Here is why I say so. What I quote here comes directly from Nabi Ya Kareem the Rasool:

Surah 39:23 'Allahu nazzala AHSANA AL HADITH kitaaban mutashaabihan mathaniya taqsha'iru minhu juloodul-lazeena yakhshawna rabbahum thumma ta'leenu julooduhum waquloobuhum ila zikri-llaahi thalika huda-llaahi yahdee bihi man yasha'u waman yudlil-lahu fama lahu min hadin

which means

"Allah has sent down the BEST HADITH; a book that is consistent, and points out both ways. The skins of those who reverence their Lord cringe therefrom, then their skins and their hearts soften up for GOD's message. Such is GOD's guidance; He bestows it upon whoever wills (to be guided). As for those sent astray by GOD, nothing can guide them."

So to answer the question "Do I believe in the hadith?" the answer is definitely yes. I believe in the AHSANA HADITH or BEST HADITH that Allah sent down to us thru His Rasool, our Nabi Ya Kareem. This AHSANA HADITH or BEST HADITH is none other than the Quran. Dont believe me? Here is another verse from the AHSANA AL HADITH:

Surah 45:6

Tilka - these
ayaatu-llah - are the ayaat of Allah
natlooha alayka - we recite upon you
bil-haqqi - with the truth (haqq)
fabi-ayyi hadeethin - thus in what other hadith
ba'ada - after
Allah - Allah
wa ayaatihi - and his ayaat
yu'minoona - DO they believe

Here it is again : "These are Allah's ayaat that we recite to you truthfully. In which Hadith other than Allah and His AYAAT do they believe?"

This question by Allah and the Rasool in Surah 45:6 is a 'negative' - meaning it is NOT to be answered positively. You are NOT supposed to reply, "Oh ok Allah, other than Quran I also believe in hadith of rasool, hadith of abi hurairah, hadith of bukhari' et al. That is not what is meant by Surah 45:6. Especially when it is read with Surah 39:23.

And as I have said Imam Bukhari is NOT the writer of the Sahih Bukhari that we have with us today. Imam Shafii is not the wriyter of the Kitab Al Risala that we have today. Someone else wrote it (from among his students or inheritors) after his death. Tafseer Jalalayn is not the work of Jalaluddin Suyuti. It is doubtful if even Jalaludin Mahilli did complete the work. Kitab Al Muwatta is certainly NOT the work of Imam Malik. We dont even know who really wrote these books. And you want to place your life and future with these man made books of dubious authorship? Think carefully.

We must only believe in the AHSANA AL HADITH which is none other than Quran. And we cannot believe in any hadith other than Allah and His ayaat - fabi-ayyi hadithin ba'ada-llaahi wa ayaatihi yu'minoon.

Does anyone here wish NOT to belive in Surah 39:23 and Surah 45:6 that I have quoted above? Do you wish to reject these two verses of the Quran? Can you still be Muslims if you reject these two verses from the Quran? Think carefully before you answer.

Brothers and sisters, you say that you get thawwab or blessings for listening to or reciting any Quran verses in Arabic with beautiful melody and tajweed. This must include Surah 45:6 and 39:23 I have quoted above. But when you look into the actual meaning of these two verses, you start to get a shock. You reject the meaning of these verses. So do you still get thawwab? Can we be muslims if we reject verses of the Quran?

Please brothers and sisters do not make light of the Quran. Please do not reject the verses of the Quran that I have shown you here. If you reject the Quran you also reject the Rasool. You reject Islam.

And do not say 'Closed Thread' to shut me up. There are so many, many of you on this forum. I am just one person. You speak great stories about the Battle of Badar where a smaller force of Muslims defeated a larger force of the enemy. But here I am just one person spaking to so many of you. Dont shut me up. Please engage in discussion without fear. If Truth is on our side, surely we will prevail.

Of course I believe in the hadith, I believe only in the best hadith or AHSANA AL HADITH which was revealed by Allah toour Nabi Ya Kareem Rasool. This is the Quran. It is a complete guide for mankind's life here on earth. There are aboslutely no abrogations of the AHSANA AL HADEETH. It is a complete book, fully detailed to meet all our needs.

Salamun.

[NikitahDE]

Dear brothers and sisters on sunniforum,

The thread I began earlier 'Hijab Hijab Hijab' has been closed after just one day. In this short time I have also been called a Pervezi and words like 'apostasy' and 'kafir' have been used in some of the reply comments. Do you enjoy speaking like this? Does it give you some happiness that you can go home and tell your children about? What is a Pervezi? I live in South East Asia and we are not conversant with Pervezism. Please do not call names. It shows a defficiency in your persons.

Where are the hijab verses from the Quran? Someone aid I am a lay person (meaning I am not a scholar) so I am not qualified to talk about "religion"? If that is the case then I assume the rest of the people here are scholars. Ok so where is at least one quotation from the Quran where the word HIJAAB is mentioned?

Another person asked if I believed in the hadith. Another person suggested that I start a new thread to discuss hadith. Well I dont have much choice. Here goes.

Do I believe in the hadith? Most certainly. As Muslims we have no choice. Here is why I say so. What I quote here comes directly from Nabi Ya Kareem the Rasool:

Surah 39:23 'Allahu nazzala AHSANA AL HADITH kitaaban mutashaabihan mathaniya taqsha'iru minhu juloodul-lazeena yakhshawna rabbahum thumma ta'leenu julooduhum waquloobuhum ila zikri-llaahi thalika huda-llaahi yahdee bihi man yasha'u waman yudlil-lahu fama lahu min hadin

which means

"Allah has sent down the BEST HADITH; a book that is consistent, and points out both ways. The skins of those who reverence their Lord cringe therefrom, then their skins and their hearts soften up for GOD's message. Such is GOD's guidance; He bestows it upon whoever wills (to be guided). As for those sent astray by GOD, nothing can guide them."

So to answer the question "Do I believe in the hadith?" the answer is definitely yes. I believe in the AHSANA HADITH or BEST HADITH that Allah sent down to us thru His Rasool, our Nabi Ya Kareem. This AHSANA HADITH or BEST HADITH is none other than the Quran. Dont believe me? Here is another verse from the AHSANA AL HADITH:

Surah 45:6

Tilka - these
ayaatu-llah - are the ayaat of Allah
natlooha alayka - we recite upon you
bil-haqqi - with the truth (haqq)
fabi-ayyi hadeethin - thus in what other hadith
ba'ada - after
Allah - Allah
wa ayaatihi - and his ayaat
yu'minoona - DO they believe

Here it is again : "These are Allah's ayaat that we recite to you truthfully. In which Hadith other than Allah and His AYAAT do they believe?"

This question by Allah and the Rasool in Surah 45:6 is a 'negative' - meaning it is NOT to be answered positively. You are NOT supposed to reply, "Oh ok Allah, other than Quran I also believe in hadith of rasool, hadith of abi hurairah, hadith of bukhari' et al. That is not what is meant by Surah 45:6. Especially when it is read with Surah 39:23.

And as I have said Imam Bukhari is NOT the writer of the Sahih Bukhari that we have with us today. Imam Shafii is not the wriyter of the Kitab Al Risala that we have today. Someone else wrote it (from among his students or inheritors) after his death. Tafseer Jalalayn is not the work of Jalaluddin Suyuti. It is doubtful if even Jalaludin Mahilli did complete the work. Kitab Al Muwatta is certainly NOT the work of Imam Malik. We dont even know who really wrote these books. And you want to place your life and future with these man made books of dubious authorship? Think carefully.

We must only believe in the AHSANA AL HADITH which is none other than Quran. And we cannot believe in any hadith other than Allah and His ayaat - fabi-ayyi hadithin ba'ada-llaahi wa ayaatihi yu'minoon.

Does anyone here wish NOT to belive in Surah 39:23 and Surah 45:6 that I have quoted above? Do you wish to reject these two verses of the Quran? Can you still be Muslims if you reject these two verses from the Quran? Think carefully before you answer.

Brothers and sisters, you say that you get thawwab or blessings for listening to or reciting any Quran verses in Arabic with beautiful melody and tajweed. This must include Surah 45:6 and 39:23 I have quoted above. But when you look into the actual meaning of these two verses, you start to get a shock. You reject the meaning of these verses. So do you still get thawwab? Can we be muslims if we reject verses of the Quran?

Please brothers and sisters do not make light of the Quran. Please do not reject the verses of the Quran that I have shown you here. If you reject the Quran you also reject the Rasool. You reject Islam.

And do not say 'Closed Thread' to shut me up. There are so many, many of you on this forum. I am just one person. You speak great stories about the Battle of Badar where a smaller force of Muslims defeated a larger force of the enemy. But here I am just one person spaking to so many of you. Dont shut me up. Please engage in discussion without fear. If Truth is on our side, surely we will prevail.

Of course I believe in the hadith, I believe only in the best hadith or AHSANA AL HADITH which was revealed by Allah toour Nabi Ya Kareem Rasool. This is the Quran. It is a complete guide for mankind's life here on earth. There are aboslutely no abrogations of the AHSANA AL HADEETH. It is a complete book, fully detailed to meet all our needs.

Salamun.

Your point has been noted and it will be given due consideration.

[rionetrozasa]

while simultaneously sweeping everything you've said under the rug, I'd like to ask you this: Why must you title all your threads three times?

[Filmania]

Your point has been noted and it will be given due consideration.

Did you get this response from the 'Dont feed the troll' article on RationalWiki? Cause if you did, then LOL!

Rational wiki states:
If you really have to respond to a troll don't post long comments. Try to make your responses as short and concise as possible; it's often best to use exceptionally bland wording such as "Thank you for your comments, which we shall give due consideration." Your main objective here is to disarm the troll's chances of getting an emotional response from other users which will make it give up its attempts. This method is not fool-proof and can achieve the opposite results depending on the troll and how you go about doing this.

[cepAceryTem]

a.s.

I have quoted two verses from the Quran and you wish to sweep it under the rug? That is entirely your choice.

Here is a hadith that is repeated not once, twice or three times but FOUR times.

Surah 54:17 We made the Quran easy to learn. Does any of you wish to take heed?
Surah 54:22 We made the Quran easy to learn. Does any of you wish to take heed?
Surah 54:32 We made the Quran easy to learn. Does any of you wish to take heed?
Surah 54:40 We made the Quran easy to learn. Does any of you wish to take heed?

More verses to be swept under the rug? And we are good Muslims, are we?

[Trientoriciom]

a.s.

I have quoted two verses from the Quran and you wish to sweep it under the rug? That is entirely your choice.

Here is a hadith that is repeated not once, twice or three times but FOUR times.

Surah 54:17 We made the Quran easy to learn. Does any of you wish to take heed?
Surah 54:22 We made the Quran easy to learn. Does any of you wish to take heed?
Surah 54:32 We made the Quran easy to learn. Does any of you wish to take heed?
Surah 54:40 We made the Quran easy to learn. Does any of you wish to take heed?

More verses to be swept under the rug? And we are good Muslims, are we?

Yes Quran is Easy!

Now can you please categorise these animals as halaal or haraam.

camel, cow, buffalo, monkey, donkey, mule, elephant, horse.

[grubnismarl]

Yes Quran is Easy!

Now you please can you please categorise the animals as halaal or haraam.

camel, cow, buffalo, monkey, donkey, mule, elephant, horse.

LOL

No response, he is thinking. He will write the names on pieces of paper and pull them out of a hat, first 4 halaal and next 4 haraam. This is the deen of these people.

[lopaayd]

Tell us how you pray your salah.

Tell us how many salah there are.

Tell us how you perform wudhu.

Tell us how you know Rasoolullah even existed.

Tell us what so many of the verses of the Qur'an mean without resorting to ahadeeth, such as the beginning of surah adh-Dhaariyaat or the various ayaat of the Qur'an that call for killing the kuffaar.

Tell us how the Qur'an was transmitted.

Tell us what is meant by the Qur'an when it orders us to obey the messenger, when we know that the Qur'an is not the word of Rasoolullah but the word of Allah .

In fact, there was recently a thread about a pseudo-intellectual non-Muslim's take on Islam that was panned even by non-Muslim orientalists because he chose to reject all ahadeeth and all traditions to come to the following conclusions by using the Qur'an alone:
1. Rasoolullah did not exist.
2. The Qur'an and Islam did not come from Makkah or Madinah but from the Levant.
3. Islam is the byproduct of a unifying, pan-Arab conspiracy.

And your "translations" leave much to be desired as you're not using the appropriate words just as you didn't when you were translating words in the hijab thread. The ayah that you've attempted to translate is:
وَلَقَدْ يَسَّرْنَا الْقُرْآنَ لِلذِّكْرِ فَهَلْ مِن مُّدَّكِرٍ
The word لِلذِّكْرِ is closer to memorize, to remember than "to learn" as you've used it. And yes, the Qur'an is easy to memorize as can be testified by the millions of huffaadh, many of whom are not Arabs. Tell me how the Qur'an is "easy to learn" for a non-Arab. The Qur'an is an Arabic book as it says so itself.

[Nwxffgke]

Dear brothers and sisters on sunniforum,

The thread I began earlier 'Hijab Hijab Hijab' has been closed after just one day. In this short time I have also been called a Pervezi and words like 'apostasy' and 'kafir' have been used in some of the reply comments. Do you enjoy speaking like this? Does it give you some happiness that you can go home and tell your children about? What is a Pervezi? I live in South East Asia and we are not conversant with Pervezism. Please do not call names. It shows a defficiency in your persons.

Where are the hijab verses from the Quran? Someone aid I am a lay person (meaning I am not a scholar) so I am not qualified to talk about "religion"? If that is the case then I assume the rest of the people here are scholars. Ok so where is at least one quotation from the Quran where the word HIJAAB is mentioned?

Another person asked if I believed in the hadith. Another person suggested that I start a new thread to discuss hadith. Well I dont have much choice. Here goes.

Do I believe in the hadith? Most certainly. As Muslims we have no choice. Here is why I say so. What I quote here comes directly from Nabi Ya Kareem the Rasool:

Surah 39:23 'Allahu nazzala AHSANA AL HADITH kitaaban mutashaabihan mathaniya taqsha'iru minhu juloodul-lazeena yakhshawna rabbahum thumma ta'leenu julooduhum waquloobuhum ila zikri-llaahi thalika huda-llaahi yahdee bihi man yasha'u waman yudlil-lahu fama lahu min hadin

which means

"Allah has sent down the BEST HADITH; a book that is consistent, and points out both ways. The skins of those who reverence their Lord cringe therefrom, then their skins and their hearts soften up for GOD's message. Such is GOD's guidance; He bestows it upon whoever wills (to be guided). As for those sent astray by GOD, nothing can guide them."

So to answer the question "Do I believe in the hadith?" the answer is definitely yes. I believe in the AHSANA HADITH or BEST HADITH that Allah sent down to us thru His Rasool, our Nabi Ya Kareem. This AHSANA HADITH or BEST HADITH is none other than the Quran. Dont believe me? Here is another verse from the AHSANA AL HADITH:

Surah 45:6

Tilka - these
ayaatu-llah - are the ayaat of Allah
natlooha alayka - we recite upon you
bil-haqqi - with the truth (haqq)
fabi-ayyi hadeethin - thus in what other hadith
ba'ada - after
Allah - Allah
wa ayaatihi - and his ayaat
yu'minoona - DO they believe

Here it is again : "These are Allah's ayaat that we recite to you truthfully. In which Hadith other than Allah and His AYAAT do they believe?"

This question by Allah and the Rasool in Surah 45:6 is a 'negative' - meaning it is NOT to be answered positively. You are NOT supposed to reply, "Oh ok Allah, other than Quran I also believe in hadith of rasool, hadith of abi hurairah, hadith of bukhari' et al. That is not what is meant by Surah 45:6. Especially when it is read with Surah 39:23.

And as I have said Imam Bukhari is NOT the writer of the Sahih Bukhari that we have with us today. Imam Shafii is not the wriyter of the Kitab Al Risala that we have today. Someone else wrote it (from among his students or inheritors) after his death. Tafseer Jalalayn is not the work of Jalaluddin Suyuti. It is doubtful if even Jalaludin Mahilli did complete the work. Kitab Al Muwatta is certainly NOT the work of Imam Malik. We dont even know who really wrote these books. And you want to place your life and future with these man made books of dubious authorship? Think carefully.

We must only believe in the AHSANA AL HADITH which is none other than Quran. And we cannot believe in any hadith other than Allah and His ayaat - fabi-ayyi hadithin ba'ada-llaahi wa ayaatihi yu'minoon.

Does anyone here wish NOT to belive in Surah 39:23 and Surah 45:6 that I have quoted above? Do you wish to reject these two verses of the Quran? Can you still be Muslims if you reject these two verses from the Quran? Think carefully before you answer.

Brothers and sisters, you say that you get thawwab or blessings for listening to or reciting any Quran verses in Arabic with beautiful melody and tajweed. This must include Surah 45:6 and 39:23 I have quoted above. But when you look into the actual meaning of these two verses, you start to get a shock. You reject the meaning of these verses. So do you still get thawwab? Can we be muslims if we reject verses of the Quran?

Please brothers and sisters do not make light of the Quran. Please do not reject the verses of the Quran that I have shown you here. If you reject the Quran you also reject the Rasool. You reject Islam.

And do not say 'Closed Thread' to shut me up. There are so many, many of you on this forum. I am just one person. You speak great stories about the Battle of Badar where a smaller force of Muslims defeated a larger force of the enemy. But here I am just one person spaking to so many of you. Dont shut me up. Please engage in discussion without fear. If Truth is on our side, surely we will prevail.

Of course I believe in the hadith, I believe only in the best hadith or AHSANA AL HADITH which was revealed by Allah toour Nabi Ya Kareem Rasool. This is the Quran. It is a complete guide for mankind's life here on earth. There are aboslutely no abrogations of the AHSANA AL HADEETH. It is a complete book, fully detailed to meet all our needs.

Salamun.

Bhai, what is all this mess? Stop this insanity and accept the creed of Ahle Sunnah wal Jamaat.

[NickGrass]

^

Generally when discussing with anyone, we have to agree on a common basis of discussion, otherwise there is no use to discussing anything.

When it comes to Hadith Rejecters, the sticking point is their ideology concerning knowledge. This is because they claim to believe in the text and meaning of the Qur'an while disbelieving in the methods through which the 'meaning' as a category of human knowledge is deducted and derived. It is clear that this last matter (the deduction of 'meaning' in human knowledge) is something outside the text of the Qur'an.

If the Hadith-Denier were true to his 'Usool, they would not be able to read the Qur'an at all, since the way of pronouncing the individual letters and words of the text of the Qur'an is information outside of the Qur'an itself, passed down from pre-Islamic times up to ours. Of course, most Hadith Rejecters are not up to this level of intellectual thought, but if we wish to engage them properly, we have to try to our best in going through this route.

[7UENf0w7]

Your point has been noted and it will be given due consideration.

L-o-L

[KignPeeseeamn]

This is the same point those who are deficient in intellect and knowledge keep bringing up, it's depressing.

[fissasste]

http://www.muftisays.com/blog/Seifed...ny-hadith.html

http://www.central-mosque.com/fiqh/asunnah1.htm

[L8fGLM4d]

Where's that link with mufti jav12345 and the Qur'anists.



Their arguments got blown to smithereens in that thread.

[lagunaEl]

Ek Shaakh Gul pe baith ke ullu hai shadman..
kaante bichadiye hain sunni bahaar me..

kah do in jaahilon se kaheen aur jaa basen..
aafat bani padi hai aqeede ke bahaar me..

Sitting on a branch of flowers, the owl rejoices..
It has strewn thorns in the sunni spring..

ask these ignorants to go dwell elsewhere..
in the spring of beliefs they are a scourge..

[enfoires]

Where's that link with mufti jav12345 and the Qur'anists.

Their arguments got blown to smithereens in that thread.

This one?

[Pszinygv]

This one?

Yes, that's the one.


All his posts in that thread should be collected, made into a sticky in a separate thread and referred to when confronted with munkireen ahadith.

[exiceJetLip]

yes quran is easy!

Now can you please categorise these animals as halaal or haraam.

Camel, cow, buffalo, monkey, donkey, mule, elephant, horse.

Lol !

[gettoblaster]

Someone asked this question :

Now can you please categorise these animals as halaal or haraam. Camel, cow, buffalo, monkey, donkey, mule, elephant, horse.
I have heard all these questions before. I do not know if this “maulana” or that “maulana” has torn the “munkareen hadeeth” to smithereens before. I will most gladly discuss this issue with any maulana. Can the members of this sunniforum please make arangements for me to dialogue with any such “maulana”? I will be most happy to engage them. From my experience however they all cut and run.

Firstly the Quran is the hadith. I have quoted Surah 39:23 and Surah 45:6 which many people here are cleverly avoiding from answering. Brothers and sisters, you say you are Muslim. You say you are better than the kafirs because you hold the Quran while they do not.
Yet here I have quoted just two verses frm the Quran ie Surah 39:23 and Surah 45:6 and you are finding it extremely difficult to believe that th Quran is the hadith, the best hadith or ahsana hadith.

You reject the Quran. I want an answer from all you clever people in this sunniforum – please comment on Surah 39:23 and Surah 45:6. Can you accept these two verses of the Quran ? Yes or no? If you cannot accept these two verses then how can you be Muslims? Please can someone answer?

Instead I get these silly questions whether cows, elephant, horses are haram, halal and such. Such childish minds. Ok let me answer these childish questions for the childish among you.

Why did you not include the dhawwab lizard or locusts? Acording to you both the dhawwab lizard and the locust are halal. The dhawwab is a desert dwelling lizard. You say that it is halal to eat this dhawwab lizard. Fine. So is it haram for other people to eat lizards in their countries? A lizard is a lizard – it may eat insects, other animals etc. Lizards don’t buy food from the halal shop you know. You say it is halal to eat locusts. Fine. So is it haram if they eat grasshoppers and other insects in Cambodia?

What about the Eskimos? Does this sunniforum have any Eskimos as its members? Eskimos eat fish, seals, walruses, whales, sharks, polar bears and deer. Why? Because these are the creatures available in their surroundings. Are you going to tell them that they must become sunnis and eat only dhawab lizards, cows, goats, chicken and camels? Surely you must have more intelligence than that?

And what about native people in Africa, Asia, South America etc? They eat monkeys, snakes, kangaroos and other native creatures for thousands of years. It is Allah who created them in that way. That is all they may have to eat in their environment. Cows, goats (for biryani cooking) are not natural inhabitants of the Amazon rain forest or the rainforest in Papua New Guinea or the Australian desert.

But what did the Rasool teach us? Remember what the Rasool said in Surah 39:23. The Rasool said that the Quran is the ahsana hadith or the best hadith. So here is the best hadith from the Rasool.

What is HALAL?

Surah 5:4 “They ask you what is halal for them; say, "Halal for you are all good things, and what you train from the animals, the trained dogs, from what Allah has taught you, thus eat what they catch for you, and mention GOD's name thereupon. You shall observe GOD. Surely Allah is most efficient in reckoning.”

Yas’aloonaka mazaa uhilla lahum. Qul uhilla lakumu at-thayyibaatu wamaa ‘alamtum minal jawaahiri mukallibeena mimma ‘allakumullaahu fakulu mimma amsakna alaikum isma-llaahi alaihi wattaqu-llaaha innalaaha saree’ul hisaab.

If the desert lizards (dhawwab) are good for you, then eat them. If seals, walruses and whales are good for you then eat them. Anything that is good for you is halal. That is what the Rasool taught us in the hadith in Surah 5:4 above.

What is haram for you? Here is another hadith –

Surah 5:4 “Prohibited for you are animals that die of themselves, blood, the meat of khinzeer and animals dedicated to other than GOD. ..”
So the Quran is clear what is haram for you. This is what the Rasool said in his hadith in the Quran.

Can the Rasool then go ahead and create other rules about halal and haram outside the Quran? That is what you are saying. You are saying that the Rasool was a munkar, a traitor to Allah who made up his own laws – other than what Allah had revealed to him – and then claimed that that was also from Allah and Islam. That is what you say. You have just made the Rasool a munkareen hadith – the hadith that is the Quran.

Lastly the brother said that I have translated the word zikr wrongly. Yes zikr literally means remembrance. I agree with you. But the Quran was first revealed to Arabs. Not Pakistanis. Arabs who already knew the language of the Quran. It was not an invitation to Arabs to “memorise” the Quran like parrots but to learn and remember the message of Allah. The Quran says of itself :

Surah 68:52 ‘Wa maa huwa illa zikrun’ which means ‘It is not but a reminder (zikrun) for the world’

This refers to the Quran. The Quran is the zikrun or the reminder. This does not mean that the Quran is to be memorised and repeated like a parrot over the tv and radio or at Quran recital contests or on Friday nights in a sing song fashion.
The Quran or zikrun is a lesson and a guidance for mankind.

Now please look at the preceding verse Surah 68:51 :

“And those who disbelieve would almost smite you with their eyes when they hear the reminder (Al Zikra), and they say: Most surely he is mad.”

This is exactly what you are doing now. I am reminding you (zikr) with the Quran and that one brother has already said ‘what insanity’? You are in very good company. This is exactly what the disbelievers also said.

I hope someone is brave enough to answer the hadith in Surah 39:23 and the hadith in Surah 45:6. Please you may call upon the more worthy maulanas from among you to engage this discussion.

Also please note that the Sahih Bukhari that you have is NOT written by Imam Bukhari. It has come through Ibnu Hajar, Al Khushyamani and Al Firabri. To say that the Sahih Bukhari you have today comes directly from Imam Bukhari is patently false.
The true hadith is the Quran. It is the best hadith (Surah 39:23).

[ButKnillinoi]

Assalamu alaykum

I repeat my question

yes quran is easy!
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Now can you please categorise these animals as halaal or haraam.

Camel, cow, buffalo, monkey, donkey, mule, elephant, horse.
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I expected a easy reply;

x,y,z = halaal

a,b,c = haraam