[offinoNem]

Assalamu alaykum

I repeat my question

yes quran is easy!
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Now can you please categorise these animals as halaal or haraam.

Camel, cow, buffalo, monkey, donkey, mule, elephant, horse.
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I expected a easy reply;

x,y,z = halaal

a,b,c = haraam Actually, he might say that the Qur'an allows eating of everything except the animals mentioned in Verse 5:3.

We say: Fair enough. Now show us whether it is totally disallowed to eat and drink our own filth, and how you deduce that from the Qur'an alone. If they say that "Allah does not command the Fahshah", we say that this would need an interpretation, since - believe me- there are certain religious cults that engage in drinking and eating human filth, so in their narrow understanding, the intake of such filth is not ritualistically abominable.

[koebforfrn]

Actually, he might say that the Qur'an allows eating of everything except the animals mentioned in Verse 5:3.

We say: Fair enough. Now show us whether it is totally disallowed to eat and drink our own filth, and how you deduce that from the Qur'an alone. If they say that "Allah does not command the Fahshah", we say that this would need an interpretation, since - believe me- there are certain religious cults that engage in drinking and eating human filth, so in their narrow understanding, the intake of such filth is not ritualistically abominable.

Brother are you suggesting that before your ancestors read the sahih bukhari etc they used to serve human filth for lunch and dinner? And they only learnt to stop eating human excrement after the advent of the sahih bukhari and such? My word - what an interesting ancestry you have.

Even among animals only a few like the pig consume filth. Maybe that is why we call it a 'filthy pig'. The vast majority of animals do not consume animal filth of any sort. And the vast majority of humans who are non Muslim (hindus, christians, buddhists, taoists) have a fairly well developed food and culinary culture. I have never seen any non Muslim recipe books about how to serve human filth at the dinner table. That shall be the preserve of your ancestors alone.

The Quran says : "No one can believe without Allah's permission for He casts filth (al rijsun) upon those who do not use their brains".

[leareliovag]

It's just appalling that the quranists accept the prophethood of Prophet Muhamad , accept that he's ma'sum, that he was the best example of how Quran should be applied, and yet refuse to accept his hadiths.

Prophethood of Muhamad with all its attributes (ma'sum and such), Quran
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hmm... to reject all hadith, isn't that selective filtering without any justifications at all, when the same channels that are transmitting Quran would also transmit the hadith? And it's not like any of the quranists today can be said as an example of how to implement Quran in day to day routines.

All Muslims worldwide look to how the Prophet lived his life through the hadiths, and since you guys are so adamant about rejecting hadith, so tell us all who is your example of how Quran should be applied in our life in this 21st century? Is there anyone from you guys who is ma'sum today and can show everyone of how the Quran should be applied?

Allah Knows Best.

[Rounteetepehryn]

Someone asked this question :


Also please note that the Sahih Bukhari that you have is NOT written by Imam Bukhari. It has come through Ibnu Hajar, Al Khushyamani and Al Firabri. To say that the Sahih Bukhari you have today comes directly from Imam Bukhari is patently false.
The true hadith is the Quran. It is the best hadith (Surah 39:23).

السلام عليكم

So, this is your understanding of the science of Hadith? What a waste of God given human intellect! And apparently Arabic is Chinese to you?? Why don't you save all this arguments for the day of Accountability? You'll have ample time to present all your arguments in front of the All Knower, the Aalim. After all you will have time of Khamsun Alfa Sana. How on earth any mortal worth the salt can make sense out of your incoherent rendering of divine texts when you already poised to take your time on the Appointed Day? You are wasting your time with us here. Save it brother for your own self when you will get all the dues in exact proportion from the One Who won't take away even an atom weight from your due share of what you deserve.

[lollypopz]

It's just appalling that the quranists accept the prophethood of Prophet Muhamad , accept that he's ma'sum, that he was the best example of how Quran should be applied, and yet refuse to accept his hadiths.

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hmm... to reject all hadith, isn't that selective filtering without any justifications at all, when the same channels that are transmitting Quran would also transmit the hadith? And it's not like any of the quranists today can be said as an example of how to implement Quran in day to day routines.

All Muslims worldwide look to how the Prophet lived his life through the hadiths, and since you guys are so adamant about rejecting hadith, so tell us all who is your example of how Quran should be applied in our life in this 21st century? Is there anyone from you guys who is ma'sum today and can show everyone of how the Quran should be applied?

Allah Knows Best.

If you look at most of these hadith rejecting groups they are not sincere at all and their friends are often the open enemies of Islam.

such as this harmful group that has many websites on the internet http://www.islamicweb.com/beliefs/cults/submitters.htm

[tefraxKedWere]

http://www.albalagh.net/prophethood/...ejecters.shtml

[bredkumanfirst]

interesting article...

is hadith rejector (munkar i hadith) a muslim?

in pakistan, we have a sect known as pervaizi who don't accept hadith as a source of islamic knowledge.. can this sect be regarded as muslims?
Answer 4883

February 09, 2002


Primarily, there are two types of Ahaadith; Mutawaatir and Ahad.

Mutawatir Ahaadith are narrated by innumerable number of narrators. It is impossible that such a large number of people will unite on speaking a lie. It is similar to a verse of the Qur'aan in its authenticity. To reject a Hadith Mutawaatir is Kufr.

To reject Hadith Aahaad (which has many branches in relation to the standard of its authenticity) is Fisq (transgression).

and Allah Ta'ala Knows Best

Mufti Ebrahim Desai

[Precturge]

has anyone translated this book?

http://www.scribd.com/doc/15702418/F...nnat-wal-jamat