[Prosocorneliay]

I wanted to know how people felt about Salafis. I have strong ambiguous feelings about the group. Very strong I would say.

At times I go into a mode thinking this group represent Umar r.a. out to demolish every innovation with rigid principalism and purify Islam. I admire that they are particularly obsessed about Tawheed almost fanatically. I think every Muslim group is now on its toes ensuring that anything they propagate doesnot conflict with Tawheed. I also am particularly impressed by their scholarly views on Jihad and I was surprised that this group which most see as a fundamentalist bedrock is actually very articulate, clear and distinct about the valid Jihad and invalid Jihad and many of the salafi scholars condemn Bin Ladin. To quote one of their imams who was answering a question wether bin laden is a mujahid or a deviant "yes, bin laden is a mujahid however he is doing jihad in the path of shaytaan".

At times I think they are out to disunite the ummah and every other muslim following/propagating non-salafism now is a mubtadih/mushrik or one ignorant in hadith and harmful to society. Their slogans and propaganda of 'there is no unity on deviancy' and things like these upset me. Another trait I dont like about them and a trait in various other groups is pharisee-ism which is particularly strong in the saudi salafis. That self righteous outlook which characterizes saudi society - the imposed dresscode, the treatment and suprression of women, the muttawa and the way they view others outside their creed and ethnic group. Another trait I dont admire which probably most here do admire is their aggression to shias. My view on shias is complex but eventually they are Muslims with whom we need to sympathize and recconcile and that view I think is beneficial for the Ummah.

I know there are various threads touching upon the salafis in this forum mostly negative. But how should the Sunni Hanafis, inspired by scholarship of deoband view the salafis knowing very well that their creed is more non-accomodating of other Muslim groups than any other creed. Should we regard Salafis as our most closest brothers in faith as ones who have restored Tawhid and keep Bid'ah in check or that Muslims were always aware of the importance of Monotheism. Should we view them as just loud mouths out to condemn the diversity of Muslims and fragment it to the point of enmity with each other or should we view that as an inadvertent consequence of their sincere creed and methodology. WE also share some of their traits in how we treat our barelwi brethren despite them having some dedicated members in their scholarly body also like Tahir-ul-qadri, I think however we are still generally more tolerant and more inclined to unity which is a strong and good Islamic trait.

I am just writing this thread as am I want to clarify when I encounter or see Salafis what should my impression be about them. I usually tell people salafis are overall good but they are not the best and have mistakes like many other groups. Is that an adequate way to view them.

[CelexaNY]

just curious, who has criticized OBL from among the salafis?and how is their version of j!had different from that of the likes of dr. al-zawahiri and OBL?
tbh most well-informed scholars wont ever reveal in public what they really feel about OBL and AlQ@eda J!had. because this means instant incarceration or death. the other option is that one leaves their sanctuary after their public praise for the J!had and goes and fights alongside them. then again you may be equally surprised at how many people know actually what is going on. i believe the kuffar may have been routed in afghanistan but they have won the media war. so many people going about like headless chickens giving wild theories. i kid you not.

'I usually tell people salafis are overall good but they are not the best and have mistakes like many other groups'
i believe this is fair. on academic level one can disagree with them on a lot of things but against the kuffar who are rapidly engaging us on multiple fronts those differences do not count for much.

[reachmanxx]

Sorry, brother, but I have a hard time taking you seriously ever since you referred to Adnan Oktar as the mahdi.

[dicemets]

oh...well...that's awkward.

[sttrqiss]

since there's like 100's of types of salafis out there...its hard to have one opinion on all of them

good points:
I agree that its good they are strict with tawheed
Their dawah efforts to non-muslims is very strong
They provide a lot of help and support to reverts
some of their scholars are admirable in the fact that they don't water down Islam to suit government/non-muslims

bad points:
caused further divisions within muslims..not just against sufis and madhab followers but within themselves too
lack of tazkiyyah = bad adab, arrogance
some of them have shia traits, with suggestions sahabah RA did not follow sunnah and introduced bidahs
annoying slogans that are deceptive, such as following quran and sunnah only etc
disrespect towards great ulemah such as imam Abu Hanfiah RA, Imam Nawawi RA...to the extent that they burn their books
Many scholars who give fatwas in favour of governments/non-muslims and water down Islam
Ignorance and intolerance on differences of opinion...its my way or the high way attitude

[medifastwoman]

Sister aram salafis didnt burn those books, you are referring to haddaadis, a group who is heavily refuted by the salafis

[zoppereurvito]

Sister aram salafis didnt burn those books, you are referring to haddaadis, a group who is heavily refuted by the salafis

brother who are the Haddaadis? I am not familiar with them, unless it is by another name.

[fedelwet]

Sister aram salafis didnt burn those books, you are referring to haddaadis, a group who is heavily refuted by the salafis

do they also refer to themselves as salafis?

some of the salafis (madkhalis) have also been saying we should burn some books by yasir qadhi because he quoted imam Al-Ghazzali RA in them

[wbeachcomber]

Sh. Yasir Qadhi despite the various criticism, i love his talks on the Seerah on the Prophet , I used to watch them when he used to appear on Islam Channel several years ago. I learnt immensely. There are a few people's voices that are made for Bayans in the English Language, him, and my favourite Shaykh Riyadhul Haq.

[finasteride]

If one views the happenings and incidents of the prophet peace and blessing be upon him as having higher cosmological significance than purely the literalistic interpretations stagnant within the time they were revealed then;

There is one particular narration when after a particular battle, one of the men involved in the aftermath reprimanded the prophet peace be upon him for being unjust in dividing the war booty.
The companions were enraged at the suggestion that one would question among the most just human beings ever to walk the planet. The prophet told the companions to leave the reprimander alone, and let him be, and when he had left the vicinity he added, that
some people would come from the Ummah that would recite the Quran, yet the words would not go past their throats.

The reprimander (of that incident) happens to be from amongst the peoples of the same locality as are generally associated with the title of this thread in modern times.

The companions can be seen as a corroraly today of those who are "enraged" at the notion of those who argue the Justice of islam is somehow lacking in the modern day, in the same way the Justice and fairness of the prophet was questioned that day.

The prophets example can be seen as a admonition of takfir or making wholesale judgements on those with such notions, in that he told his companions to let the reprimander be.

The prophet then qualified the reprimander by giving you a clue of the state of those who question the principles of Justice in Islam.

So the prophet's peace be upon him example was to show you cannot make takfir, one should incline towards peace, yet one should recognise the spiritual sickness of those of such notions. In that the Quran will not have penetrated their hearts and they would pay mere lip service to the Statements of the messenger peace be upon him

I personally beleive the prophet of Islam, was giving the believers a lesson on how to regard such iniquities within the ummah.

But im just an ordinary muslim, with miniscule amounts of knowledge, so Allah, The Most Just, knows best of course.

[viagracheapest]

[QUOTE=mubakr;791238]

every innovation with rigid principalism and purify Islam. I admire that they are particularly obsessed about Tawheed almost fanatically. I think every Muslim group is now on its toes ensuring that anything they propagate doesnot conflict with Tawheed. Their understanding of Tawheed is faulty. Is man on a earth in the universe physically distant from Allah ? They say were are close to Allah by His Knowledge but Knowledge does not just exist independently of Allah . They have a heard time understanding nuanced and subtle thoughts, everything is black or white with no room for ambiguity. Ambiguity is a part of human life everything cannot be reduced to binary opposition or logic. For instance non Salafis say Divoce is allowed in Islam but one of the most disliked things by Allah ...this makes sense to me...Salafis will say how can it be allowed and still be disliked, it is nonsense.

I also am particularly impressed by their scholarly views on Jihad and I was surprised that this group which most see as a fundamentalist bedrock is actually very articulate, clear and distinct about the valid Jihad and invalid Jihad and many of the salafi scholars condemn Bin Ladin. There are many types of Salafis some follow the Jihadi doctrines and others do not.

To quote one of their imams who was answering a question wether bin laden is a mujahid or a deviant "yes, bin laden is a mujahid however he is doing jihad in the path of shaytaan". What mathab did Bin Laden follow? Ayman Zwahari is number 2 was tortured by the rulers of Egypt and released, people who know him said he was a different man after the torture...these people have been created by the Tyrants in the Muslim and Non Muslim lands.

[Snocioncilm]

just curious, who has criticized OBL from among the salafis?

A whole host of salafi scholars have condemned Osama bin Laden.
http://afatwa.com/category/ibn-ladin-and-khawarij/
Thats a salafi website. I had heard alot of audio fatwas by salafi scholars condemning OBL. This was on easyonetwothree, a salafi youtube audio channel publishing fatwa of salafi ulema. Its now under afatwa.com

As for brother abdulwahhab I leave the allegation conjectured by him that I made an explicit statement saying that AO is the mahdi. He can keep his childish mentality to himself. This is the internet mate, people can learn whether you contribute or not.

[foI3fKWv]

mostly the madkhalis that criticize obl..or those on government payrolls

[apodildNoli]

OBL on allegations of being khawarij, responded by claiming the Saudi state itself was the khawarij who fought against the caliphate and declared the Muslims of hijaz as disbelievers and fought against them and so on. "Salafi jihadism" is just another big mess that covers its mess by opposition against west.

[foonlesse]

OBL on allegations of being khawarij, responded by claiming the Saudi state itself was the khawarij who fought against the caliphate and declared the Muslims of hijaz as disbelievers and fought against them and so on. "Salafi jihadism" is just another big mess that covers its mess by opposition against west.

Osama bin Laden was not representative of the Salafis or the traditional Sunnis as far as I can see.

He may have been influenced Syed Qutb (ra) also, but he wasn't on his path exactly either.

He associated with Abdullah Azam (ra) also, but Abdullah Azzam was the opposite of a terrorist and was very against killing innocents in Jihad. OBL wasn't on his path.

Osama bin Laden and those following him or inspired by him into terrorism were on their own unique mistaken path if you ask me. Don't blame Salafis or anyone else for him or those on his way.

[gambleingsites]

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Ayman Zwahari is number 2 was tortured by the rulers of Egypt and released, people who know him said he was a different man after the torture...these people have been created by the Tyrants in the Muslim and Non Muslim lands.

Same with many others who turned excessively harsh or callous due to their treatment by the secular tyrants in Egypt, Jordan and other places, very sad.

Even going back to Syed Qutb (ra) the effect that torture has on some is to make them less humaine than they should be, less than they started off.

[ssyyyrruho]

in my opinions Salafis are idiots as they reject the SALAFS(pious Imams) & there are various sects of Salafis

1. Accommodating Salafis - these salafis accomodate other groups and love them, but stick to their own stupid agenda
2. Dangerous Salafis - these people are arrogant on their views and ll do anything to oppose other people. they ll even make u a kafir or hit you - if you do something different. Stay away from these group
3. Super Salafis - these Salafis are different from normal Salafis as they invent more things in deen. For example - one adhan in Jumma, one Zakat per lifetime, scolding Sahabas, they also declare that they are the 73rd group which will enter Jannah
4. Ahle Salafis - The above categories atleast try to move with other people. These foolish sect is followed in a masjid close to my city. For eg : if you have a beard and wear a thobe you cant lead the Salah. IF you wear shorts, you are permitted to lead the Salah. I heard that STUPID salafi guy stopped a moulana from leading Salah and permitted some half pant guy.

Make dua for these deviant sects.

[VXHLrsO1]

i suggest anybody sincerely wishing to investigate bin laden and alq@ida should read this book.
it is a masterpiece; unbiased towards AQ and is very well researched. the journalist who wrote it spent ten years researching on AQ after 2001. finally in 2011 he published the book. within weeks he was tortured and killed by ISI - pakistan's intelligence agency (allegedly).

i am not asking people to agree with me on AQ (hey im no die-hard fan either). but at least if you disagree do so with an educated opinion.

[Immerymopay]

in my opinions Salafis are idiots as they reject the SALAFS(pious Imams) & there are various sects of Salafis

1. Accommodating Salafis - these salafis accomodate other groups and love them, but stick to their own stupid agenda
2. Dangerous Salafis - these people are arrogant on their views and ll do anything to oppose other people. they ll even make u a kafir or hit you - if you do something different. Stay away from these group
3. Super Salafis - these Salafis are different from normal Salafis as they invent more things in deen. For example - one adhan in Jumma, one Zakat per lifetime, scolding Sahabas, they also declare that they are the 73rd group which will enter Jannah
4. Ahle Salafis - The above categories atleast try to move with other people. These foolish sect is followed in a masjid close to my city. For eg : if you have a beard and wear a thobe you cant lead the Salah. IF you wear shorts, you are permitted to lead the Salah. I heard that STUPID salafi guy stopped a moulana from leading Salah and permitted some half pant guy.

Make dua for these deviant sects.

There are many types of Salafis which can broadly be divided to 8 groups. Here is an important article on their types and who are the khawarij within them.

p.s I disagree with the jihadist salafis part though

[Guaranano]

Osama bin Laden was not representative of the Salafis or the traditional Sunnis as far as I can see.

He may have been influenced Syed Qutb (ra) also, but he wasn't on his path exactly either.

He associated with Abdullah Azam (ra) also, but Abdullah Azzam was the opposite of a terrorist and was very against killing innocents in Jihad. OBL wasn't on his path.

Osama bin Laden and those following him or inspired by him into terrorism were on their own unique mistaken path if you ask me. Don't blame Salafis or anyone else for him or those on his way.

Fear Allah before writing such things at least about someone whom you have not met neither have spent time with. How can you blindly trust 2nd hand or 3rd hand knowledge that is fed by the media?