[AngelinaTheElf]

sorry, anna- that one post you quoted was directed to sunny.

you can't reuse the mixing vials- you need new ones, just like new bottles of bact water. i guess you're getting ready to stop, but next time let us know right away if you're hungry. yes, you do have to do the vlcd for 72 hrs after your last dose before starting P3. and i personally recommend you have at least one day on P3 before you leave for vacation.

[sydramySweame]

I hate to repost but this seems a more appropriate thread. Here's what I have, Hucog 5000 iu/1ml. liquid (from Fran). I want to mix it more concentrated so as to not have to hold so much liquid under my tongue. I'm using wound wash (Simple Saline) it has sodium chloride in it. Fran's instructions for sublingual don't included a more concentrated method. Do I just halve the saline and dosage? Her directions don't mention liquid vs. powder.

Her instructions are for 200 iu, which I understand is too much for most people. I did subq last time and 175 iu worked well for me. So if .25 ml is 200 iu, what dosage would be 175? Thanks.

[TZtrDuso]

what dose do you want to start at? i'd recommend starting at 166 twice a day, and then if you're hungry we can increase it a bit. a vial of 5000 at that dose lasts 15 days (5000 divided by 33= 15). 15 days is 30 doses, SL. so then you just look at what amount you want to hold under your tongue, and multiply that by 30 to get your total volume.

let's say you want to take .25 under your tongue. .25 x 30= 7.5 ML. Since you already have 1 ml of liquid in the hcg, then you'd add a total of 6.5 ML to it.

if you wanted to take a dose of .3- .3x30=9. Take away the one you have in the liquid hcg, and that means you would add 8 ML of sodium chloride. make sense?

[Z3s9vQZj]

what dose do you want to start at? i'd recommend starting at 166 twice a day, and then if you're hungry we can increase it a bit. a vial of 5000 at that dose lasts 15 days (5000 divided by 33= 15). 15 days is 30 doses, SL. so then you just look at what amount you want to hold under your tongue, and multiply that by 30 to get your total volume.

let's say you want to take .25 under your tongue. .25 x 30= 7.5 ML. Since you already have 1 ml of liquid in the hcg, then you'd add a total of 6.5 ML to it.

if you wanted to take a dose of .3- .3x30=9. Take away the one you have in the liquid hcg, and that means you would add 8 ML of sodium chloride. make sense?

This vial was labled as a 23 day supply not 15. I can hold .25 ml okay and I don't mind starting at 166 iu and going from there. But I really needed this to last 23 days.

Edit: Oops, I guess it's 2 vials for 23 days. Oh well, I did buy 2 vial, just thought they would last 2 rounds not one.

Thanks, I understand!

[Ephedrine]

you can do a 30-day round with 2 vials of 5000. that's what many people do, so they don't waste the hcg. the other option is to do shots, then it will last 23 days. but i recommend people use vials of 2000 when they're doing shots so that you can keep your hcg fresher. going 23 days on the same mixture is iffy.

[SantaGanstag]

hi colleen and margie
i am having the most difficult time here in r2 p2. i am on about vlcd14- haven't lost that much- maybe5-6 lbs. my issue though is my hunger- i am doing the drops as margie knows and have tried adjusting dose/volume and every trick but i just can't get the hunger to go. anyway i contacted doyle to send what i would need to switch to subq injections- i have one 5000 hucog bottle remaining. i have been nibbling at things that are off protocol -not terribly but enough. i didn't cheat one iota first round but can't it together this time. so here's my question- can i just stop the drops for a few days and then start the injections? is it totally out of the question to stop for a week -10 days and do p3 then go back to p2. my head is not in this right now do to the frustration of the past two weeks. i have about 10-15 lbs. left to get to my goal. what are your thoughts.
i skipped my drops tonight. thanks in advance. robin

[Larisochka]

you can start the injections immediately. Margie has recommended using the hhcg for the first couple of days in conjunction but since you have such massive hunger that might not be the best thing. maybe just eat for 3 days while you take the shots then start the diet again. Try to eat fats to load and not carbs and you might not gain since the hhcg doesn't seem to be doing anything anyway.

You're SURE you have abnormal fat to lose?

[pupyississido]

I am mixing my 2nd hcg vial for the final 20 subq injections of my R2. I'm not confident I mixed my first 5000 ampule correctly... I've been dealing with hunger this entire time. I'm planning to use a smaller syringe this time: a 3/10 ml cc (doses up to 30 units). How do I mix the 5000 ampule so that the dose is concentrated correctly? As you suggested, I thought I'd start at a dose of 166 iu and see how it goes..... Thank you!!!

[mplawssix]

Oh I hate those small of doses. Sigh. Is that the only size syringe you have?

[ElegeExcest]

i am doing the sublingual rx - i never tried the hhcg. oh yes i'm sure bout the abnormal fat. i really could go down to the 115-118 range but i'm shooting for 125- i am only 5 feet tall. doyles stuff hasn't arrived. i just mailed him payment so it could be a few days. i was thinking of not taking the rx drops for a few days but maybe that's not the answer. i'm thinking that i may not see the supplies till monday. he is quick but my payment didn't get mailed till yesterday. oh i tell you i thought i wanted to be in p3/p4 so much then i got there and couldn't wait to go back to p2- and now- well i just want to eat...

[koebforfrn]

Okay well let's try to figure out this sublingual issue. How long are you holding it under your tongue and what dose are you taking?

[lammaredder]

Colleen, I have a larger 100 unit syringe but have experienced discomfort with the injection... I thought by switching to the smaller syringe I would be more comfortable. However, the most important thing to me is that it be effective! So, if I have to use the larger syringe I'm ready to do it. :-) I just want to get the concentration right and the dose.

[Plokiikmol]

Okay good. Because that would be one of those tiny doses that are hard to regulate and have more hunger associated with them. Here is what I use for liquid hucog. If you have powder, add 1cc of water. What size sterile vial do you have? If it's only a 10 cc we'll have to cut the recipe in half.

* 2,000iu vial - Add 7 cc bac water
* 5,000iu vial - Add 19 cc bac water
*10,000iu vial - Add 39 cc bac water


And here is the amount you would draw for your daily dose. It is the same no matter what size vial you started with. I suggest starting with 175 iu.
.5cc = 125iu HCG
.6cc = 150iu HCG
.7cc = 175iu HCG
.8cc = 200iu HCG

[__CVineXPharm__]

lil- you have a couple of options here. it's too early to do an official interruption, but i do know someone who stopped her 3rd round after 14 days and stabilized ok, so it is possible. if you want to do that, continue the vlcd for 48 hrs as best you can, but i'd add extra veggies and protein to manage your hunger. i wouldn't add fat, just in case you do have a certain amount of the hcg that is being effective. then take a short break in P3 and re-start the shots when you're ready. i'd just eat normally for a day or two once you start the injections. if it's only a day or 2, then one day should suffice. you could try starting the hcg and vlcd on the same day, but i'm generally hungry when i do that.

the other option would be to continue with your drops until the new kit arrives, but increase your protein and veggies to manage the hunger. if you stay on the hcg, i definitely would not add fat. then just switch over to the shots, and continue with that same plan for a day or 2, until your hunger starts to decrease- then resume the strict vlcd.

[Wmshyrga]

It is a 5000 iu vial of powder hcg purchased as part of a kit from yourhcgdiet.com. The bac water is in a 30ml vial. The mixing vial is the same size.

[iDzcs7TU]

mkt- the size of the syringe has nothing at all to do with the comfort of the shot- it's the size of the needle that determines that. switching from a 1 cc needle to a .3 needle won't change that. but i also don't have a problem with a .3 ml dose- i do that frequently and i really don't see a difference. i think .2 gets a bit iffy, and anything below that is definitely too small.

[AromeWahmaron]

But she's not loading if she doesn't add fat. So she's liable to deal with hunger. If she's hungry now, the hcg isn't working anyway.

[somozasayre]

c- i don't think she needs to load again. i'm also not sure we can be confident that the hcg is doing "nothing" if she's hungry, just that it's not working ideally. some people just naturally seem to struggle with hunger more than others. i think there would be more risk of her continuing the hcg and eating fat. if she's off of it before she starts up again, then i think she could do a mini load, but any more than that and i think she'd be gaining weight she doesn't have to.

ps- maybe you're saying that if she has lost abnormal fat that she needs to replace it? i suppose a mini load would be a compromise for that.

[attishina]

If she doesn't actually load, I think she needs to eat P2 foods, as much as she needs to not be hungry, for 3 days. Otherwise she's going to have hunger issues.

i still want to know how long she is holding under the tongue. I just got a friend's dose figured out and she was holding for 20-30 minutes. Once we fixed that, she was okay.

[Lidawka]

I'm wondering if the dose needs to be adjusted as you lose weight?
Yesterday I was having some issues with dizziness anytime I would stand up from sitting or bending over. This has happened once or twice since starting. I am using a different brand as before, spilled the old bottle, I think this brand may be working better. I take 7 drops 5x a day, not feeling hungry until meal time. I do have cravings for meat, could care less about sweets or carbs, but the smell of meat literally makes my mouth water. I drink a half gallon of water a day plus multiple cups of green and mint tea. Thanks for any help.

My experience is that you do. I started using 200 iu IM on my first round and by my 3rd round and 70 lbs lost, I started feeling dizzy, weak and shakey. I skipped a day and lowered my dose to 175. I immediately felt better and started losing weight again.